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    What are our options if Trustee wins on homestead exemption?

    Recap: We just got discharged on cha. 7, but a few days before, the trustee decided to fight our homestead exemption because we no longer reside in our previous state. We were supposed to have a court hearing at he end of this month deciding this issue (which we were told would most likely go in our favor because everyone is entitled to a homestead exemption, and the law was just poorly written, leaving us the few who move and now don't get one?)

    Anyway, latest information is that our lawyer and the trustee have talked, and the trustee requested the hearing be delayed until January. Why, I don't know. Lawyer said, worst case, we may have to pay a negotiated amount to keep the house (most would be $10,500, apparently).

    Problem: We don't have a DIME, not a dime. If we took a loan against our 401K, we don't have the money for the monthly payment for that loan. We are zero-budgeted, live on the envelope system, and are truly starting over, with no money for savings or anything else. Our main claim to fame right now is we are actually living within our means and hoping to have more money later!

    So, in the event that to keep the house we have to pay, and we can't, what is the process? Our mortgage was included in bk, so the balance is zero, although we continue to make the payments. However, if we found out we were losing the house, we would obviously not want to make those payments anymore.

    How does it work when the trustee gets your house? Given the small amount of equity, would she really want the house? Would she then order an appraisal, yada yada yada?

    If we decide to give her the house and walk away, I am guessing there wouldn't be a foreclosure because we owe $0, but who would get here first? Our mortgage holder or the trustee? I am sure the minute we miss a payment, the bank will be acting, since they are not protected. Our payment is $1500 a month. Can we be forced to make the payment until the trustee sold it? Does the trustee make that payment?

    Credit-wise, what would that show? Our house in Iowa is in foreclosure, but shows IIB on the credit report. This house shows IIB on the credit report, and unless we reaffirmed (which we did not), it will never report payments or do anything to positively or negatively hurt us. Would walking away have any affect at this point on our credit report? Wondering, in case in a few years we ever got back on our feet and wanted to purchase a home again.

    I hope this post makes sense - just wondering if this is all worth it. With the house payment and associated taxes and utilities, this pushes our budget to the max. We had considered selling it later if we had to, but now this. P.S. We have owned it 9 months. Equity, if any at all, could not possibly be much more than the $10,500 and that is BEFORE costs.

    Since an order compelling us to turn over this property has been filed, if we say "Fine, here you go", will she croak? I honestly think she would be owing money before she would make any to pay creditors.

    #2
    If you were to walk away from your house right now, the Bank would have to Foreclose regardless. Your name is on the Title, and Foreclosure is the legal process required for the Lender to lay claim to the Title.

    If you walk right now and literally dump the house in the Trustee's lap, you may hand her exactly what she deserves. The Trustee would have to sell the house, pay the costs to sell, and then pay your Lender. IF there's anything left over, then the Trustee would distribute the remainder to your Creditors. And that's a BIG IF.

    Trustees have costs to sell just like we do. We hire a Real Estate Agent. The Trustee pays someone to sell the house too. Also, houses are the hardest thing for Trustees to unload. Especially at this time of the year.

    Houses are the one asset that hang around the longest with BK Trustees. Houses simply don't sell as well, as quickly, in Foreclosure or BK as they do when being sold Owner occupied.

    It's a bluff by the Trustee. She's caught you in a legal quirk and she's counting on you agreeing to pay some money to keep your home. She thinks odds are in her favor because so many people do not want to loose things in BK. Most especially their home.

    Now the ball's in your court. You gotta decide what's it worth to you.
    Filed Ch 7 - 09/06
    Discharged - 12/2006
    Officially Declared No Asset - 03/2007
    Closed - 04/2007

    I am not an attorney. My comments are based on personal experience and research. Always consult an attorney in your area to address concerns related to your particular situation.

    Another good thing about being poor is that when you are seventy your children will not have declared you legally insane in order to gain control of your estate. - Woody Allen...

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      #3
      Madder by the minute

      You know, I am really getting tuned up about this! I just went through a very tough ch. 7 bk and discharge because we were over the median income and had to prove on the means test that we are broke. We had to prove that we have less than $100 at the end of the month.

      YET, because I have been caught in a quirk of the new law, short of winning a court ruling, the court is FORCING me to go into debt (above and beyond my current mortgage) to keep my house!!!! What kind of rate am I likely to get with my credit in the toilet? So not only forced debt, but a crap rate. I just got a ch. 7 liquidation, and even yet, it is no picnic. Do I have this huge sense of relief? No, and not just because I may lose my house.

      It cracks me up to think that legislators obviously think there are tons of "fraudulent" people out there filing bankruptcy, that putting up with the nightmare of the process is so "nothing" that someone would do it carelessly.

      To get through the new laws, you have to be truly hand to mouth, and we are. So where the heck am I going to get the money to make payments on a loan the court could possibly be giving me no other choice on?

      If I am denied my home exemption because I moved in the last 2 years, the court is forcing me into rental housing. I cannot believe that I have to sit here until January (and that is only if the trustee doesn't get another extension, supposed to have been end of this month), to know if my home is my home. If the trustee is "betting" on the fact that I will "cave" and offer some monetary amount to save myself the stress of months of the unknown, she will be waiting an eternity. I don't have anything to "cave" with, and if I had family around that was financially smart enough to have extra money lying around (to loan me), I don't know if I would have been in bankruptcy in the first place!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

      I can't tell you how tempted we are to hand her the keys......just trying to calm down and think this through, considering our credit will be ruined (even more) and should we willing give up a decent mortgage rate on the principal of the thing. So hard to sift through my emotions over this.

      Doesn't this just seem wrong?

      Sigh.

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