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    Help !!! Considering Chapter 7 (long Thread)

    **LONG**

    Hi Everyone,

    I've been lurking around here for the last week and have decided to post my scenario for feedback and help.

    My wife and I live in Southern California, and we are drowning in Credit Card debt and seriously thinking about Chapter 7 to stop the madness. We are not rampage spenders nor are we making any luxury purchases.

    I worked in the Mortgage Industry for 5-years before I was laid off last year, my wife is a teacher barely bringing in enough to make it. I was laid off from a MAJOR Sub-Prime Lender in April 2007 and was unemployed for 9-months until late December 2007. I didn't get my first paycheck from my new job until Mid-January 2008.

    Before my layoff, I had approximately $20,000 in CC Debt, 2 Car Loans ($30k & 16k), excellent FICO/Credit History. We currently have an Interest Only/ARM Loan and almost done refinancing into a 30-yr Fixed (yeah I know about the I/O, stupid).

    After my layoff, I had to cash in my 401k ($13,000 after penalties) to live on during this period. We also used our 2006 Tax Return to pay for COBRA during this period because we had a newborn child in November of 2006. COBRA cost an arm & a leg, $15,000 total while I was unemployed. I took Unemployment Insurance for 6-months but it wasn't enough and I ended up taking out a total of $30,000 in multiple Balance Transfers during this period to keep our household afloat.

    I also had to Balance Transfer another $35,000 to refinance our home into a 30-yr fixed in order to not lose it to Foreclosure. I was lucky that I had BARELY enough value to even refi, hence the $35,000 to cover the difference in Loss of Value of my Property/Short to Close.

    Now, I am $85,000 in the hole in Unsecured Credit Debt and the Minimum Payments alone amount to $2,000 a month. The Minimum Payments are killing off my Disposable Income and actually after taking a sample Means Test, I find my wife and I are Negative Disposable Income by $600 + a month.

    I have a decent paying job now ($80,000 annually, wife $38,000) but we still find ourselves broke and busted every month. We are way above the Median according to the IRS website.

    We would like to keep our home and both cars and not give them up in Chapter 7 but at this rate, we cannot keep this up for long. We are one more major event away from losing everything.

    Do we sound like candidates for a Chapter 7 even though we are way above the Median?

    BTW, I would be filing Chapter 7 alone since all of the credit debt is under my name. My wife is just an authorized user on these accounts. We were planning on waiting about 6-months before filing so it doesn't seem like we're trying to commit fraud. Also, my wife filed BK/CH 7 almost 10-years ago before we were married.

    Any comments and help would be greatly appreciated !!! Thanks !!!

    #2
    Well, since you already know where you stand on the sample means test, next is to make some appointments with attorneys for consultations. Once you retain one he'll give you the real means test that will be filed with the court. Chances are if you're that far under water you'll be in chapter 7 (I was over the median with about as much debt as you, and I'm a C7 case) but your attorney will decide how you should file.

    Good luck
    cheers,
    pd
    Last edited by pd1373; 05-05-2008, 09:26 PM.

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      #3
      Thanks for the reply. Were you able to keep your Home and Car(s)? I really don't want to give up my house especially since renting in the Southern California/Los Angeles Area will be almost what I'm paying for my mortgage.

      Any other comments would be greatly appreciated.

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        #4
        Originally posted by BrokeandBroker View Post
        Do we sound like candidates for a Chapter 7 even though we are way above the Median?
        Some questions first...

        - Do you realize that since CA is a community property state, any and all debts that have been accrued while you two have been married legally are owed by both of you? Any debt that includes charges, etc. that happened after your marriage, then the creditors will simply go after her in your place. It won't matter that she is just an authorized user on your credit cards. If the debt went on the cards while you were married, you both are legally responsible for the debt.

        This is a huge disadvantage when you are married living in a community property state and want to file alone. It may be better in your situation to file jointly, but you need expert advice from an experienced CA bankruptcy lawyer to know for sure.

        - Even if you are filing alone, the part of your wife's income that she pays towards supporting the household will also be counted into your income figures.

        - When you plug in your figures into the Means Test, did you include your unsecured debt payments? Credit card and other unsecured debt payments can't be included to figure disposable income because that debt will be gone after your case is over.

        We can help you more if you can give us a few more details about your financial situation:

        - Looking back between November 1, 2007 and April 30, 2008, how much total gross income did you personally make from all sources? Wages and salaries, money earned from side jobs, investment income, interest income, and income for self-employed individuals, as well as gains on dealings with property, rents, royalties, dividends, alimony and maintenance, pensions, prizes and awards, gifts, inheritances, child support payments, unemployment compensation, and qualified foster care payments all count into this income figure.

        - How much did your wife contribute to running the household during that same time period?

        - Do you have children or other adults living with you? If yes, how many?

        - Do you have other secured assets besides your house and two cars that you want to keep?

        - Have you taken out cash advances from your credit cards during the last six months? If yes, how much were they for?

        Right now the best thing you can do is to make appointments with 3-4 experienced bankruptcy lawyers in your area. Most give free or low-cost initial consultations. You can lay everything out and get a more accurate idea of what's going to work best in your situation than we'll be able to give you here becasue they are well-versed in CA bankruptcy case law.

        Hang in there. You are doing the right thing - trying to learn as much as you can about bankruptcy before making the leap and that's a great way to start. Keep posting questions - we'll help you sort things out as much as we can.
        Last edited by lrprn; 05-05-2008, 09:57 PM.
        I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice nor a statement of the law - only a lawyer can provide those.

        06/01/06 - Filed Ch 13
        06/28/06 - 341 Meeting
        07/18/06 - Confirmation Hearing - not confirmed, 3 objections
        10/05/06 - Hearing to resolve 2 trustee objections
        01/24/07 - Judge dismisses mortgage company objection
        09/27/07 - Confirmed at last!
        06/10/11 - Trustee confirms all payments made
        08/10/11 - DISCHARGED !

        10/02/11 - CASE CLOSED
        Countdown: 60 months paid, 0 months to go

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          #5
          lrprn,

          Thanks for the awesome reply, I forgot that California is a CP State. So I guess filing jointly would be an viable option. Does the fact that my wife had a C7 Discharged almost 10-years ago affect a possible second filing now? Does the Judge/Trustee look at that adversely?

          I did not include the unsecured debt amount in our Sample Means Test. The one I took didn't even ask me my unsecured debt payment amounts.

          - How much did your wife contribute to running the household during that same time period?

          Between November 1, 2007 and April 30, 2008 the ONLY Income generated was from my wife at $2,200 a month net. I didn't have any income, period. By this date, my UI Benefits had run out and we were supplementing the difference in Income with Balance Transfers from various banks (Chase, Citi, BofA).

          The answers to the questions posted:

          - Do you have children or other adults living with you? If yes, how many?

          * Me, wife, 1 child (18-mo old)

          - Do you have other secured assets besides your house and two cars that you want to keep?

          * I have a 1996 Nissan Pathfinder (165,000 miles) which is paid off, valued around $3,000. I would like to keep this.

          * No other secured debts except the two cars and mortgage.

          - Have you taken out cash advances from your credit cards during the last six months? If yes, how much were they for?

          * I have several very large Balance Transfers of funds coming back to me this month from my friend who was holding onto my debt while I refinanced my home. I wouldn't have been able to refi carrying all this debt which would've forced a foreclosure.

          - $9,000
          - $28,000
          - $10,000
          - $13,000

          $60,000 total in Balance Transfers due to hit this month on top of the $25,000 I had to fork over to close on the refi due to the Short to Close situation. $85k Grand Total


          No matter what, I want to save the home because the Los Angeles Area RE Market is still out of touch for us even after the implosion. Like I mentioned earlier, the rental market is pretty much the same of what I am paying for my mortgage right now so I might as well hold onto the property.

          Since I have the very large BTs hitting this month, I want to wait at least 5-6 months before I file so it doesn't look like I'm trying to commit fraud. I don't think I'll be able to keep going longer than that though.

          Thanks for your response and this is EXACTLY what I was looking for before I consult with some attorneys. I don't want to walk in "blind" and get played/taken for a ride by one. I figure if they know I've done my research/homework I can minimize the chances of getting taken for a ride by an attorney as well as have a better strategy approaching this problem.

          Keep the responses coming, I would like to hear from everyone with a similar scenario.

          BaB
          Last edited by BrokeandBroker; 05-05-2008, 10:41 PM.

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