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    Banks cutting cc limits

    The easy money that led Americans to depend on credit cards to pay their bills is starting to dry up.After fostering the explosive growth of consumer debt in recent years, financial companies are reducing the credit limits on cards held by millions of Americans, often without warning.

    Banks that issue cards like Visa and MasterCard, as well as the American Express Company, are cutting the limits for customers who have run up big debts, live in areas that have been hit hard by the housing crisis or work for themselves in troubled industries.

    The reductions come as American consumers, squeezed by a slack economy, a weak housing market and rising unemployment, are falling behind on monthly credit card payments in growing numbers. Credit card lenders are also culling their accounts ahead of new rules that are intended to benefit consumers but could limit the profits on customers deemed bigger risks.

    Many Americans have come to rely on credit cards to cover everyday expenses like groceries, gasoline and medical bills, in addition to big-ticket items and luxuries.

    While consumer spending, the nation’s economic engine, has been surprisingly resilient of late, a more sweeping reduction in credit card limits could pose serious challenges for hard-pressed consumers and, in turn, the broader economy.

    Many are already feeling pinched. Pamela Pfitzer, a family therapist with a stable six-figure income, was stunned when she went to a garden center near her home outside Sacramento in early April and tried buying about $30 worth of flowers with her American Express card. Her transaction was denied, she says, even though she had just made a $1,000 payment and almost never missed one in her life.

    It turned out that shortly after falling behind on a mortgage payment and being hit with a tax lien, American Express had lowered her credit limit to $900 from $2,300. The flowers pushed her over the new cap.

    Then last month it happened again, she says, when she tried to buy office furniture with her Wells Fargo Visa card. Although she had just made a payment of about $700, Ms. Pfitzer found out that her credit limit had been lowered to $2,000 from $2,800.

    “In all the years I have had credit cards, I have never had this happen before,” Ms. Pfitzer said. “Now it has happened twice in the last few months.”

    Banks and mortgage companies are required by law to notify customers within three days of changing the limits on a home equity line of credit, and many have been aggressively lowering them. But credit card lenders have 30 days to notify their customers, and often do so only after taking action.

    Such moves can cause a consumer’s credit score to drop, forcing the person to pay higher interest rates and making it harder to obtain new loans.

    Even so, disclaimers in the fine print of credit card applications typically stipulate that the issuer can cancel or alter credit limits at any time, regardless of customers’ payment or credit history.

    Washington Mutual cut back the total credit lines available to its cardholders by nearly 10 percent in the first quarter of the year, according to an analysis of bank regulatory data. HSBC Holdings, Target and Wells Fargo each trimmed their credit card lines by about 3 percent.

    Among those four lenders, that amounts to a reduction of about $15 billion in three months. Over all, the amount of available credit for the industry appears to be about flat, with the three biggest issuers ��" Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup ��" slightly increasing their overall credit lines. But even they are trying to rein in risky individual accounts.

    Big banks face intense pressure on their balance sheets as they bring on billions of dollars worth of complex mortgage-related investments and other loans they are struggling to sell. Meanwhile, they are bracing for a surge in credit card losses as the job market and economy get worse.

    Consumers are reaching deeper into their pockets to pay for groceries and gas. Last year, as many as half of all those who took out home equity loans used the money to help pay down their credit card debt, according to J.D. Power research. But home equity is no longer an easy source of financing. And month after month, cardholders keep falling behind on their bills.

    “This downturn is the perfect storm where the consumer is getting squeezed from all levels,” said Michael Taiano, a credit card industry analyst at Sandler O’Neill. He projects that credit card loss rates for lenders, now around 5.7 percent, could go as high as 10 percent in next 18 months. That would be higher than the peak levels

    reached after the 2001 technology bust.

    Since borrowers typically run up their balances before they stop paying, issuers have started cutting lines of credit. Often, lenders will lower customers’ credit limits as they pay down their debt ��" a technique known in the industry as “chasing the balance.” This way, they are on the hook for less money if borrowers default.

    “They are trying to cut their risk exposure,” said Bill Ryan, an analyst at Portales Partners. “The consumer that used to use his house as an A.T.M. is now starting to use their credit card as an A.T.M.”

    American Express is reducing credit lines for customers holding subprime mortgages and small business customers in industries tied to the real estate market. And Chase Card Services, the consumer arm of JPMorgan, is taking similar action on distressed borrowers, especially in places like California, Arizona and Florida where home prices have declined sharply. Washington Mutual, HSBC, Target, and Wells Fargo all acknowledged they were pulling in lines of credit as part of broader strategy of reducing risk.

    None of the lenders, as a matter of policy, would comment on individual customer accounts.

    Cardholders in places like Orange County, Calif.; Las Vegas; and Phoenix have noticed their credit lines shriveling up.

    John D. Craig Jr., a college administrator from outside Buffalo, said he had regularly been paying own his balance on a rarely used card when Chase informed him they were reducing his credit limit to $4,000 from $20,000. The news took him by surprise.

    “For two or three years, it was, ‘We are going to give you more credit, more credit more credit,’ ” he said. “Now, in the last two or three months, it has been the exact opposite.”

    Those who work in real estate-related fields say they are being pinched by the credit card lenders at a time when they most need to have money available. .

    In Seattle, Phillip Rodocker, a sales associate for a large residential real estate firm, said that the credit limit on his Citi Visa platinum credit card had been reduced in April to $4,800 from $8,000 even though he says he never missed a payment and had no recent credit blemishes.

    Leslie Sherman, the owner of Realty Executives in Las Vegas, said American Express reduced the credit limits on several personal and business cards virtually at the same time.

    “It has definitely made me spend less,” she said. But Ms. Sherman said that it had been a blow to her ego, too.

    “It made me feel like I wasn’t responsible. I know when to put my reins on and when not to,” she added. “I didn’t appreciate someone thanking me for always paying my bills on time and being a good customer by dinging my credit.”

    Meredith Whitney, an Oppenheimer banking analyst, said the impact of the recent regulatory proposals on lender profits could be so severe that she expects the industry to pull back $2 trillion in outstanding credit lines by 2010. That would be a 45 percent reduction in credit currently available to consumers. Risky borrowers would be squeezed the most.

    Customers with stronger credit histories have probably noticed few changes. But card issuers are also becoming pickier about whom they approve. In April, nearly 30 percent of senior loan officers said they were tightening their credit card lending standards this winter, according to a Federal Reserve survey. That was about three times as many who said they did so in the fall.

    Lenders are also sending fewer offers in the mail. The volume of direct mail promoting credit cards fell nearly 19 percent since last October, to about 900 million pieces, according to Mintel Comperemedia, a marketing research company.

    And borrowers already in debt, once courted by card companies, are being shunned.

    Zero-balance teaser rate offers have fallen by about 15 percent over the last year, according to Mintel.

    By ERIC DASH
    Published: June 21, 2008
    Last edited by HRx; 07-07-2008, 07:41 PM.

    #2
    Of course they're cutting cc limits now, and not approving high limits. With the cost of living rising (food, gas, etc.) cc balances will rise, payment defaults will rise, and more people will file for bankruptcy, and once Obama/Democrats take over in January, those creditor friendly provisions of the 2005 laws will be flushed down the toilet.

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      #3
      Originally posted by magyar123 View Post
      Of course they're cutting cc limits now, and not approving high limits. With the cost of living rising (food, gas, etc.) cc balances will rise, payment defaults will rise, and more people will file for bankruptcy, and once Obama/Democrats take over in January, those creditor friendly provisions of the 2005 laws will be flushed down the toilet.
      With all the issues a new president will face, I doubt bk reform overhaul is very high on the "to do list." Remember, Democrats voted overwhelming in support of reform.
      I can see prehaps tinkering with a Chapter 13 and cramming down mortgage loans to FMV-similar to the current provision that allows a cramdown for auto loans.

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        #4
        I have to agree with keepmine Obama/Democrats are the ones that pushed the bankruptcy reform through so it is unlikely they'll do any major revisions.

        To be frank though, CC were to easy to get. That's what led to my trouble. The lenders have to assume some of the responsibility, that's what was wrong with the bk reform. It pretty much put the weight on the consumer without penalizing the lenders for bad practices.
        May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
        July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
        September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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          #5
          BS ALERT!
          keepmine and JR Scott - why do you post false records here?

          The Facts:
          S. 256 [109th]: Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (Vote On Passage) Senate Vote #44 --- Mar 10, 2005

          Ayes: 74
          Nays: 25
          No Vote: 1

          Ayes by Party: 18 Democrats and 55 Republicans and 1 Independent
          Nays by Party: 24 Democrats and 0 Republicans and 1 Independent

          ALL Republicans senators voted for the 2005 BK Reform Act.
          A Minority of Democrat senators voted for the 2005 BK Reform Act.


          The 25 Nay votes for the 2005 BK Reform Act were:
          CA Barbara Boxer (D)
          CA Dianne Feinstein (D)
          CT Christopher Dodd (D)
          CT Joseph Lieberman (I)
          HI Daniel Akaka (D)
          IL Richard Durbin (D)
          IL Barack Obama (D)
          IA Thomas Harkin (D)
          MD Barbara Mikulski (D)
          MD Paul Sarbanes (D)
          MA Edward Kennedy (D)
          MA John Kerry (D)
          MI Carl Levin (D)
          MN Mark Dayton (D)
          NJ Jon Corzine (D)
          NJ Frank Lautenberg (D)
          NY Charles Schumer (D)
          NY Hillary Clinton (D) no vote
          ND Byron Dorgan (D)
          OR Ron Wyden (D)
          RI John Reed (D)
          VT Patrick Leahy (D)
          WA Maria Cantwell (D)
          WA Patty Murray (D)
          WV John Rockefeller (D)
          WI Russel Feingold (D)

          All Democrats (including Obama), and NO republicans on the Nay list.

          http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2005-44

          It's also well known that the 2005 Bankrupcty Reform Act was written by MBNA, the largest campaign contributor to the Bush campaign, and the other largest credit card banks (Chase, Citigroup and Bank of America). This was a Republican Bill all the way led by the bank lobbyists, and was opposed by the Liberal Democrats as the voting record shows.

          And from the Obama website:

          Reform Bankruptcy Laws
          Obama will reform our bankruptcy laws to protect working people, ban executive bonuses for bankrupt companies, and require disclosure of all pension investments.

          Cap Outlandish Interest Rates on Payday Loans and Improve Disclosure: Obama supports extending a 36 percent interest cap to all Americans. Obama will require lenders to provide clear and simplified information about loan fees, payments and penalties, which is why he'll require lenders to provide this information during the application process.

          Encourage Responsible Lending Institutions to Make Small Consumer Loans: Obama will encourage banks, credit unions and Community Development Financial Institutions to provide affordable short-term and small-dollar loans and to drive unscrupulous lenders out of business.

          Reform Bankruptcy Laws to Protect Families Facing a Medical Crisis: Obama will create an exemption in bankruptcy law for individuals who can prove they filed for bankruptcy because of medical expenses. This exemption will create a process that forgives the debt and lets the individuals get back on their feet.
          Just setting the record straight.
          Last edited by WhatMoney; 06-21-2008, 11:52 PM.
          “When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis

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            #6
            Half of the Democrats voted for it, they could have kept it from reaching a floor vote but didn't.

            Your faith in the Democrats and Republicans is misplaced, they aren't interested in helping you, only in making it look like they care. They are interested more in staying in power than they are in fixing anything. This is true for both parties. It's almost like clockwork how they switch which one controls the executive and the legislature, go back and look for the last century.

            If Obama seriously wanted to tackle the issue he would as Senator of Illinois introduce such legislature. He hasn't. The same is true for McCain. They talk the good talk on the campaign trail but look at what they have done in their legislative careers and its a very different story. As Senators now they have the power to do many of the things they are promising, as President they can only ask the legislatures to do it and then complain if they do nothing.
            Last edited by JRScott; 06-22-2008, 01:06 AM.
            May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
            July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
            September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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              #7
              No BS here. Remember, BK reform passed in 2000. Former President Clinton vetoed the bill and the reason that the veto was not overridden was, enough Democratic Senators voted against the measure that the bill sponsors couldn't get the 2/3's vote necessary to override the veto.

              No such problem existed in 2005. I find it interesting that Sen. Clinton took no vote on the bill.
              Any serious bk reform will be part of a 2nd Obama term. Energy costs, Iraq, health insurance coverage, and rising unemployment will be plenty on the platter of whomever is elected. Getting any meaninful action on any of this will mean spending a lot of political capital. Nobody will waste time on a secondary issue like bk reform.

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                #8
                I tend to agree with 'Keepmine'. Right now the political thorn is fuel prices. The call by both sides and even good ole Gov Crist in Florida is softening on off shore drilling. That will be the hallmark of the election. Our chain is being pulled by other Countries not too friendly with us. We have the oil, but politically we are being yoked by those who claim to be ecologists to save the World. Fact is, today, we could save much fuel simply by nuclear power plants, does not use coal, gas, or oil. Lasts a long time and has a good safety record.

                Our economy is a political weapon of control. Remember, we took down the U.S.S.R. without a shot fired. We outspent them into falling. Now our dollar is becoming worthless in the World market. 'Hub
                If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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                  #9
                  Knowledge

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                    #10
                    thats probably a good thing for some people, it reduces the risk og falling into debt.

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                      #11
                      It happened to me

                      I just wanted to tell you -- this happened to me today, I looked up my Citibank MC and they've lowered the limit to $30 above my balance! I'm waiting a while (at least until December) to file and as of now that's my only card being used, and I'm paying all CC bills. I believe this happened because our 2nd home is 30 days delinquent as of June 30.. and it's hit the bureaus? Just guessing.
                      "You can never get enough of what you don't need to make you happy."
                      6/16/08: Attorney approached lenders to surrender old home
                      8/26/08: Met w/attorney RE: filing BK
                      9/29/08: Filing Chapter 7

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                        #12
                        yep Frog they'll probably keep lowering it. I'm glad you are already planning for future.
                        May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
                        July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
                        September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                          #13
                          Funny that this scammer revived this thread. Since the thread was started, Biden has been picked as Obama's running mate. [Moderator: spammer has been permanently banned and all posts removed -lrprn]

                          Whatmoney, just setting the record straight!

                          Biden was in bed with MBNA. When the big cc companies moved to Delaware for the easy corp laws and the fact that DE has no usury cap, Biden was thrilled. No unemployment, housing boom, major tax revenues!

                          He even accepted campaign money from MBNA. To be fair, I do think at first he rejected the new BK law, but MBNA pushed so hard for it, Biden caved in.
                          Last edited by lrprn; 09-17-2008, 02:44 PM.

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