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    Met with a BK attorney today

    I took my first step and met with an attorney today for a free consultation. I have over $130,000 in unsecured credit card debt and mortages totaling $680,000.

    During the 20 minute or so meeting:

    She said I probably qualify for a Ch 7 but I could do a 13.

    She said I should probably let my houses go (I have two) as I am living way above my means to continue the mortgage payments, insurance and taxes.

    She said to live rent free as long as possible until its foreclosed on.

    She said I must sell assets I have (a vacant lot that I own in SC and a couple of stocks I own.)

    She told me to try and trade my car in NOW and try to lease another one. My lease is up in January 09. I don't think I can though with my current credit which now has a charge-off and late mortgage payments. (Honda has already turned me down and so has Capital One).

    She said I will have to pay the IRS if I owe. I have to find out how much I owe the IRS (for the 2005 taxes I have yet to file), they are at an accountant's office waiting to be completed.

    She said I have to pay back the real estate taxes I paid for my two houses with my credit card for the 2007 tax year --- why? that was almost $10,000!

    She said I can only have $5000 worth of stuff in my house. How do I determine how much value my stuff really has? I have 3 kids and they seem to mess up everything I have, but how do I value these items? She said that in my county has been coming to homes and appraising, but my neighbor who just went through a 13 said no one came to appraise hers.

    Concerns I have:

    I have not made any payments on the empty rental house since Jan 08 and for 2 months on the home I live in. Should I move out now or just stay rent free until the last minute?? Should I attempt to get modifications of the loans to try and keep one?

    I have been paying my credit cards and other bills, just not the mortgages. Should I stop paying everything now and start saving? She said YES.

    Not being able to get a car when I have to turn in my leased vehicle in January is scary. I need a car to work.

    The lawyer did not talk about how much a bankruptcy costs. Is it more because I owe more or have two homes?

    Should I try to sell the homes or just let them go to foreclosure? The HELOC on my rental home has already charged off the loan but did not release the lien, so I am not sure if I can even sell this home with the lien not removed.

    If I am able to buy a car before the bankruptcy, will I be able to renogotiate the balance and interest rate in a Ch 7 & in a Ch 13 or just a 13? If not, will I be able to get a car after bankruptcy, I have a good car payment history with no repos or late payments. I don't want an outrageous interest rate though to increase the chances of defaulting.

    Sorry I wrote a book!

    #2
    Originally posted by beachymama View Post
    Concerns I have:

    I have not made any payments on the empty rental house since Jan 08 and for 2 months on the home I live in. Should I move out now or just stay rent free until the last minute?? Should I attempt to get modifications of the loans to try and keep one?

    I have been paying my credit cards and other bills, just not the mortgages. Should I stop paying everything now and start saving? She said YES.

    Not being able to get a car when I have to turn in my leased vehicle in January is scary. I need a car to work.

    The lawyer did not talk about how much a bankruptcy costs. Is it more because I owe more or have two homes?

    Should I try to sell the homes or just let them go to foreclosure? The HELOC on my rental home has already charged off the loan but did not release the lien, so I am not sure if I can even sell this home with the lien not removed.

    If I am able to buy a car before the bankruptcy, will I be able to renogotiate the balance and interest rate in a Ch 7 & in a Ch 13 or just a 13? If not, will I be able to get a car after bankruptcy, I have a good car payment history with no repos or late payments. I don't want an outrageous interest rate though to increase the chances of defaulting.

    Sorry I wrote a book!
    Hummmm....I would stay rent free until the last min because you will need the money to put deposits on a rental. They might be hefty too because of the situation.
    If you purchase a car now you can reaffirm it in a 7 and 13. My interest rate stayed the same. I don't think the creditor would have renegotiated my interest rate.
    Stop paying EVERYTHING you do not want to keep and stock up on food and other things. you cannot have cash on hand or in the bank at filing unless it is exempt. Plus you will need money for your attorney.
    I would not bother trying to sell the homes right now unless you are certain you can sell them for more than you owe and in relative short time. You will have a hard time with a lien..might be best to just let it go.
    Bankruptcy varies from attorney to attorney. You should be able to call the office and ask what is your attorney's charge for a 7 and a 13. Get it in writing before you sign anything. Also, you may think about visiting a few attorney's in the area before you settle on one firm.
    Welcome to the forum and hopefully you will find a community people who understand here!!!
    Filed!!04/23/2008[X] 341 5/27/2008[X]Converted to asset case 5/26/2008 [X]
    DISCHARGE 08/12/2008[X]
    Converted to NO Asset case 12/15/2008[X]
    Closed 12/16/2008 [X]:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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      #3
      Thank you for the welcome.

      I am meeting with another attorney on Thursday. I was approved for a car loan but the interest rate is 14.09% yikes.

      I read this posted on another site by a Bankruptcy attorney columnist:

      3. Redeem your car loan with a new lender.

      Bankruptcy law permits a car owner to reduce the current car balance to the fair market value. For example, if you owe $15,000 and the car is worth only $10,000, then you may be eligible to reduce the car balance by $5,000 with a new, post-bankruptcy loan. The code section is 722 Redemption. However, the current understanding in the bankruptcy community is that you must own the car for at least 910 days before filing bankruptcy to qualify for a car redemption loan.

      Recently, I had a very enlightening conversation with in-house counsel at a large car loan redemption company. This company works out deals with you and a new lender to refinance your car post-bankruptcy. I was told that the 910-day rule is not regularly enforced by the original car lender.

      Meaning, you can qualify for a new car loan with a balance at the current fair market value even if you bought it one day before filing bankruptcy! The original lender can object to your attempt to strip down the balance, pay off a portion of the loan and eliminate the deficiency. However, very few lenders have been objecting. You may be able to keep your current car, reduce the balance and get a new loan that will report your new payment history to the credit bureaus.


      Does anybody have any experience with this?? I would like to strip the interest rate after the bankruptcy using this kind of loan redemption company.

      ANYONE??

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        #4
        Originally posted by beachymama View Post
        She said I can only have $5000 worth of stuff in my house. How do I determine how much value my stuff really has? I have 3 kids and they seem to mess up everything I have, but how do I value these items? She said that in my county has been coming to homes and appraising, but my neighbor who just went through a 13 said no one came to appraise hers.
        I can answer this one. You value your property as you would at a yard sale, very low ball.

        Here's a couple of quick links I found for Florida.




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          #5
          Originally posted by jktrading View Post
          I can answer this one. You value your property as you would at a yard sale, very low ball.

          Here's a couple of quick links I found for Florida.




          http://www.totalbankruptcy.com/state...ns_florida.htm

          Thank you!

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            #6
            Hi beachymama:

            Welcome to the forum. I hope you are ready for Fay.

            I recommend purchasing nolopress.com's book on C7. It is written fairly straightforward in plain Englsih, and can be purchased from the website for about half of what it costs in retail stores. I'm not affiliated with them in any way except being a satisfied customer. But this book will help explain a lot of the things you are asking.

            Good luck to you!
            "To go bravely forward is to invite a miracle."

            "Worry is the darkroom where negatives are formed."

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