Octuplet Grandparents and BK

[nodollarsnomo]

I saw an online interview with the octuplets grandmother where she claims that she had no idea that her daughter received a settlement of $165,000. I know that it was paid out over six years, but didn't she wonder how her daughter was able to afford the expensive treatments. The grandmother also says that the daughter did not contribute to the rent or food.

Do you think this is true or that she is making these claims since she and her husband filed brankruptcy. If it was recent am wondering if the trustee can look back into their case or if it would even make a difference. Also do you think the grandparents were claiming the daughter and all the grandkids as dependants.

[JRScott]

If she had filed the bankruptcy then yes if the Trustee discovered fraud he could reopen the case.

It would depend though since it is her parents what impact her information had on the filing. It is possible they will reopen the case and investigate, however I believe the parents were pretty much surrendering their home and other assets so I'm not sure how much more they could get out of them.

[Flamingo]

I heard on the radio yesterday that the mother was collecting food stamps for her and the children. If that is the scenario, the grandparents are not claiming the daughter (mother) and children. The one question that popped into my mind with all this...how on earth did she afford the in vitro process and the cost of storing frozen eggs from previous procedures? There is more to this entire scenario than meets the eye. I believe there is a possibility that the entire thing was done for publicity purposes as is what is occurring and for movie and book deals which are reportedly pouring in.

While having children is one's own personal right and choice, having 6 children already, no father around, no means of support, no job, getting food stamps and apparently public assistance and then having more children on top of that raises all sorts of red flags and possible mental instability and I can't believe this was not investigated by the counselors or other folks involved in the second in vitro process and brought to someone's attention. That is why I believe there is more to this than is coming out or more than meets the eye at this point and it could all be financial related. Someone has to be funding things in some way as in vitro processes are not free nor covered by insurance.

[nodollarsnomo]

She apparently told a friend that she was receiving compensation when the friend questioned how she could afford eight more kids. Maybe the clinic was paying her to test some new fertility procedure.

I saw some of her interview last night and I find it funny how she and her mother contradict each other. She seems to be having to back-peddle on a lot of information that has been released. They also brought up the possibility that it looks like she had some cosmetic work done in order to look like Angelina Jolie.

With all the backlash that is now coming out I don't know if she will receive the financial windfall that she was perhaps hoping for and of course it will be the children that will suffer for her bad choice.

[StartingOver08]

This is irresponsible!

While having children is one's own personal right and choice, having 6 children already, no father around, no means of support, no job, getting food stamps and apparently public assistance and then having more children on top of that raises all sorts of red flags and possible mental instability and I can't believe this was not investigated by the counselors or other folks involved in the second in vitro process and brought to someone's attention. That is why I believe there is more to this than is coming out or more than meets the eye at this point and it could all be financial related. Someone has to be funding things in some way as in vitro processes are not free nor covered by insurance.

Anyone that would have more children when she can not support her current brood of 6 is showing irresponsible behavior at best...

Children are not meant to be an income producing venture - JMO.

[DisneyGirl]

The article I read said the parents filed BK but never went through with it. Maybe that story was wrong but it was my understanding they never finished what they started.

As for the daughter, she needs mental help. Seriously. She keeps saying, "everything will be alright" she is totally living on another planet. In local papers it states not only does she receive food stamps but also 3 of her original 6 children are on SSI due to a disability. If you have 3 disabled children why have any more???? That strikes the biggest nerve with me since both my sons are disabled and we decided not to have anymore since we have all we can afford (we receive NO state aid, all self paid). Also she says she will use student loans to help raise her children until her education is finished.

Anyway, I suppose it's possible she used state funds (SSI) and her own disability claim to fund some of this.

Also, the fertility specialist in Beverly Hills she saw, he has the worst success rate! So much so that most of his success is measured by this one woman who delivered every time. So maybe the doctor and Octomom had a deal?

[nodollarsnomo]

Starting Over, I agree children should not be used for the parents financial gain. This is why I stopped watching Jon & Kate +8 when I heard they were being paid $65,000 to $70,000 per episode. I quess this explains how they were able to buy the big new house while neither one is working. I would be willing to let a camera follow me around all day if I could make that kind of money.

But on a serious note I can see how this would give some people the idea to have mutiples if they thought that it would provide a financial windfall. These production companies that follow these families make huge profits on the various product endorsements.

[DisneyGirl]

I was just reading in the OC Register that she now has a website for donations!

http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/

So much for not asking for help!!!

[JRScott]

Anyone that would have more children when she can not support her current brood of 6 is showing irresponsible behavior at best...

Children are not meant to be an income producing venture - JMO.

Unfortunately the government encourages such by giving more money in welfare per child in the home.

Same with taxes.

While my opinion is probably in the minority here, if we didn't have a tax deduction per child, didn't get food stamps per child, and other welfare assistance you wouldn't see this kind of abuse.

[willowhare]

You're not that alone, JRScott

As a single, childless woman who rents, I am aware that a portion of my taxes go to the deductions for children and home mortgage interest--this time of year more than most! When I complain about it, other people (usually folks who benefit from the deductions) basically tell me to shut up, that my time will come. Only there's no guarantee of that. And a portion of my rent goes to support public schools in my town. But I am allowed little or no say about how my money is used.

I support capping the number of children people are allowed to claim for deductions. Octomom should not be allowed to benefit in any way from the brood that she has irresponsibly created.

[fltoo]

Octomom aside, because the woman is most definitely unstable or a thrill and money seeker..........

Willow, you have a say in how your money is spent. Vote, show up at school board meetings, write to your Congressman.

If more people complained about this trillion dollar "stimulate this plan", we would have not indebted our great, great grandchildren.

I have a 94 yr old great aunt, childless, who always complained about paying for other people's kids, yet, other people's kids are the doctors and nurses that are caring for her in her old age!

Not saying that you are like this, just saying that this old woman never quite got it.

If we monitor how many kids people can have by capping the deduction for kids, shall we also not feed the poor, not shelter the homeless and do away with the right of declaring BK?

[willowhare]

I once did show up at a school board meeting. When I was asked what grade my child was in, I answered honestly. I was then told, "Please come back when you have children in the school system. We're too busy dealing with the people who are actually using the schools right now." That is the direct quote.

I have no problem taking care of people and providing decent education. In fact, I think the US should try to move to systems of national health care and education through the 1st 4 years of college. I think this would create a healthier, more economically viable population. What I object to is people regularly depending on things like tax deductions for kids to pay for their children. And that does happen. This is essentially balancing their family's budget on my back. The back of a woman who has chosen not to have kids or a house because she can afford neither right now.

[fltoo]

Wow, you should have told that pompous a## that you pay taxes for education and that you were staying!

[JRScott]

Octomom aside, because the woman is most definitely unstable or a thrill and money seeker..........

Willow, you have a say in how your money is spent. Vote, show up at school board meetings, write to your Congressman.

If more people complained about this trillion dollar "stimulate this plan", we would have not indebted our great, great grandchildren.

I have a 94 yr old great aunt, childless, who always complained about paying for other people's kids, yet, other people's kids are the doctors and nurses that are caring for her in her old age!

Not saying that you are like this, just saying that this old woman never quite got it.

If we monitor how many kids people can have by capping the deduction for kids, shall we also not feed the poor, not shelter the homeless and do away with the right of declaring BK?

No doubt they are being well payed to take care of her. Perhaps they should donate their time to repay for her supplementing their education.....

[fltoo]

Perhaps a good idea.

Maybe we can donate our time to the government, taxpayers and creditors for supplementing the payment of our debts through BK.