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Bankruptcy and the IRS: How Does Uncle Sam View Your Tax Debt?

lazar
02-08-2005, 03:16 PM
Bankruptcy and the IRS: How Does Uncle Sam View Your Tax Debt?
February 2, 2005
Gfn.com News

Most civilized, multi-credit card toting Americans know that a bankruptcy can free you up from crushing debt, but also provides a nasty black mark against your credit history for seven to 10 years.

As it is tax season, you may well be wondering: what of the Internal Revenue Service? With the swipe of a judge’s gavel you’ve wiped out all your debt but you still have a huge tax bill hanging over you. Isn’t the government subject to the fall of the gavel as well?

The answer is that it depends on what kind of taxes are owed, and which type of bankruptcy you've filed. How the rules are applied depends on the kind of bankruptcy you elect. The two most-common types of bankruptcy filings available to individuals are Chapter 7 or Chapter 13, and the rules for each are applied differently.

Chapter 7

This is a liquidation bankruptcy where you give up all your non-exempt assets in exchange for a discharge of all your debts.

Under a Chapter 7 bankruptcy, income taxes for years ending on or before the date of filing the bankruptcy petition (including extensions) and within three years of the filing date can't be discharged. But income taxes owed for periods longer than three years can be eliminated.

However, payroll taxes - Social Security and FICA - or employee withholdings that you owed cannot be discharged, even after three years.

So if you work for a company in any capacity where you can be found to be a "responsible person," make sure that payroll taxes and withholdings are sent to the IRS.

If you're ever in a cash-flow position where you don't have the dollars to send what's due to the IRS, mark your check "trust fund portion only." The IRS can't hold you personally liable for the matching part of the Social Security and Medicare payments not sent in.


Chapter 13

Under this form of bankruptcy, designed for wage earners "with regular income," you agree to a plan to pay off your debts over a period of time, usually for pennies on the dollar.

Under this kind of bankruptcy, the court has the discretion to discharge taxes owed to the IRS without regard to the three-year rule, so long as you complete the payments under your Chapter 13 plan.

Even the IRS doesn't mess with the bankruptcy courts. When the courts say the tax is discharged or impose an automatic stay against collection, that's it. It's over.

CATCHMEIFYOUCAN
09-20-2006, 05:45 AM
Chapter 13

"Under this form of bankruptcy, designed for wage earners "with regular income," you agree to a plan to pay off your debts over a period of time, usually for pennies on the dollar.

Under this kind of bankruptcy, the court has the discretion to discharge taxes owed to the IRS without regard to the three-year rule, so long as you complete the payments under your Chapter 13 plan.

Even the IRS doesn't mess with the bankruptcy courts. When the courts say the tax is discharged or impose an automatic stay against collection, that's it. It's over."

Question: My plan is due to be confirmed next weekend, and I have a feeling it's going to be a whopper. I know that I will still owe on Federal taxes due to working two full time jobs and having early 401k withdrawals, I figure I'll owe about another 2grand. (even though i claim Zero on federal and state and have them take additional money out toward my taxes). I know I wont be able to pay my back my federal in full, how does this fall into place with my bk13? i will get a small chunk back from state (like 600 - even if that) but i know the trustee will take it :cool:

catchmeifyoucan

AMISLANDER
09-20-2006, 12:14 PM
...but am taking it one catastrophe at a time...IRS says I owe for 2004...up to 7K right now...sent refund to trustee of $3K...don't know what I'm getting back, if any & IRS was alerted that the refund went to trustee....who knows...$7K is better than $50K!

ch13buyout
09-28-2006, 05:37 AM
Chapter 13

I know I wont be able to pay my back my federal in full, how does this fall into place with my bk13?

catchmeifyoucan

This is not intended as legal advice. Please contact your lawyer for any legal questions you have.


Taxes & IRS are considered involuntary debt and are treated differently under the bk law. Which means, you may be eligible for a cram down. The new bk laws did not change treatment of taxes & IRS issues.

However, if its 2004 IRS debt only, they have a claim because it does not fit the rule. If its an accumulation of taxes with the most recent being owed for 2004, then you can try for a cram down.

CATCHMEIFYOUCAN
09-28-2006, 08:26 AM
Oh, I don't owe any back taxes, I'm just worried about taxes this year. If the Trustee takes all my "disposable," income it leaves me saving near to nothing, and I have no way of paying my taxes on time to the IRS (unless I get a little help from my s.o.). I think my tax issue is not even part of my Bk. Sorry for misleading.

Catchmeifyoucan :cool:

anonymuse
09-28-2006, 03:16 PM
Oh, I don't owe any back taxes, I'm just worried about taxes this year. If the Trustee takes all my "disposable," income it leaves me saving near to nothing, and I have no way of paying my taxes on time to the IRS (unless I get a little help from my s.o.). I think my tax issue is not even part of my Bk. Sorry for misleading.

Catchmeifyoucan :cool:

Change your withholdings so that you don't owe anything and make sure the correct income is reported to your plan.