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    Debit cards: $50 spending limit coming?

    March 11, 2011

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Declined! Your debit card may soon be denied for purchases greater than $100 -- or even as little as $50.

    JPMorgan Chase, one of the nation's largest banks, is considering capping debit card transactions at either $50 or $100, according to a source with knowledge of the proposal. And the cap would apply even if you run your debit card as credit

    Why? Because of a tricky thing called interchange fees.

    Right now, every time you swipe your debit card your bank charges the retailer an average fee of 44 cents, which it shares with its partners. Those little fees, however, add up to about $16 billion per year, according to 2009 data from the Federal Reserve.

    But as part of the Wall Street reform legislation that was passed last year, these fees are being slashed. The Fed is currently proposing rules that would go into effect in July and would cap interchange fees at 12 cents.

    That's a big enough cut to cost Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) more than $1 billion a year. And Chase may not be alone. Other major issuers are also projecting huge losses from the interchange fee cap.

    Joe Price, president of consumer banking for Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500), said in an e-mailed statement that the lower fee wouldn't fairly compensate the bank for the infrastructure and services it provides to retailers.

    And consumers would end up feeling the pain when Bank of America is forced to recoup costs "by increasing the cost of their everyday debit card transactions, limiting their payment choices, and impacting industry innovation," according to the email.

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    Aside from mulling over a limit on transaction amounts, Chase is already testing $3 monthly fees on debit cards and $15 fees on checking accounts in certain states. Additionally, the bank announced in November that it has stopped issuing debit rewards cards.

    A Chase spokesman declined comment on this story.

    The revenue banks get from interchange fees helps to offset money lost from fraudulent transactions. So with the Fed's proposed cap in place, banks argue they won't have the money to protect themselves against fraud. And, of course, the bigger the purchase the bigger the risk, so banks are considering limiting consumers' ability to pay by debit card.

    "If banks cannot recapture their fraud-prevention costs, it is likely that a lower percentage of transactions at the point of sale would be approved," Price said. "If the final rules that are issued in April look like the draft, there's no question that it will impact how we and other issuers price deposit and payment services and what features and benefits are included."

    But a Bank of America spokesman declined to comment on whether the bank would cap debit card purchases at $50 or $100.

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    Representatives from Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500) and HSBC (HBC) declined to comment on their plans, while a spokeswoman from Citi (C, Fortune 500) said the bank isn't making any changes at this time.

    If a cap like this does make its way into accounts across the board, consumers would be forced to write checks, withdraw cash from ATMs, or put their spending on credit cards.

    "The whole model on the debit card side is in flux because of Dodd-Frank," said Brian Riley, senior research director at financial services consulting firm TowerGroup. "The unfortunate thing is that the people who will really get hurt on this are the people who need the most help."

    Many consumers with bad credit aren't able to qualify for credit cards -- and when they do, it's often with hefty rates and fees. Additionally, ATMs typically only dole out a limited amount of money at a time and checking accounts are being loaded with fees.

    At the same time, even the customers who do qualify for credit cards are being punished for having tarnished credit. Bank of America, for example, announced a $59 annual fee last month for its riskiest customers -- making up about 5% of consumer credit card accounts.

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    It's all about the fees.
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      #3
      Originally posted by Fallonedward View Post
      But as part of the Wall Street reform legislation that was passed last year, these fees are being slashed. The Fed is currently proposing rules that would go into effect in July and would cap interchange fees at 12 cents.

      That's a big enough cut to cost Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) more than $1 billion a year. And Chase may not be alone. Other major issuers are also projecting huge losses from the interchange fee cap.
      Is this not just the quintessential government "fix"?
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        #4
        Originally posted by MSbklawyer View Post
        Is this not just the quintessential government "fix"?
        No, it's actually just the quintessential obsession of the credit card corporations to continue to make obscene profits in any way possible. The cc corporations would still make a nice profit even with the interchange fees in place.....just not enough profit to satisfy their greedy souls.
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          #5
          So, if this came to pass, and you have no credit cards, only debit cards, how would you buy a plane ticket for instance?

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            #6
            What's next?

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              #7
              Originally posted by ryan View Post
              So, if this came to pass, and you have no credit cards, only debit cards, how would you buy a plane ticket for instance?
              Dont know. But rest easy in the assurance that if you do somehow manage to get someone to process your debit card, that you won't be 'overcharged' for it. No sir, your government has but the kibosh on those evil, greedy credit card banks charging you 44 cents for the transaction! Now they can charge you only 12 cents! And if that prompts them to take their toys and go home, so what!! We didn't need their stinking debit cards anyway!! NYAAAAA!!! You can just buy a 99 cent money order and a 44 cent stamp and mail it to them to buy your plane ticket. That'll only cost you a $1.43! See how much money you'll be saving!!! And it will only take four days to get there. Who needs real-time / instant transaction processing anyway?

              Forty four cents. Why, that's nearly nine nickles. How would the average working person scrape that up? Just who do these banks they think they are trying to make profits?

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                #8
                Originally posted by ryan View Post
                So, if this came to pass, and you have no credit cards, only debit cards, how would you buy a plane ticket for instance?
                Good question...more trickle down effects - less people flying, less people staying at hotels and less people spending travel dollars at restaurants, etc. It's just another vicious circle that will affect everyone in the long run.
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                  Originally posted by MSbklawyer View Post
                  Dont know. But rest easy in the assurance that if you do somehow manage to get someone to process your debit card, that you won't be 'overcharged' for it. No sir, your government has but the kibosh on those evil, greedy credit card banks charging you 44 cents for the transaction! Now they can charge you only 12 cents! And if that prompts them to take their toys and go home, so what!! We didn't need their stinking debit cards anyway!! NYAAAAA!!! You can just buy a 99 cent money order and a 44 cent stamp and mail it to them to buy your plane ticket. That'll only cost you a $1.43! See how much money you'll be saving!!! And it will only take four days to get there. Who needs real-time / instant transaction processing anyway?

                  Forty four cents. Why, that's nearly nine nickles. How would the average working person scrape that up? Just who do these banks they think they are trying to make profits?
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                    #10
                    all, i know is i have not decided to change careers....i'm now working on perfecting an instant $100 bill printer....and....what could happen...i go to jail...that doesn't sound so undesirable...as at least i know i won't have to worry about my three meals.....and i won't need credit, debit or cash......

                    i do believe the future will be all access via our fingerprints.........as big brother gets bigger and bigger......i'm just hoping there will be no fingerprint use to use the bathroom.
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                      #11
                      I wonder how the banks and the government are going to like it when they push us back to a cash society.

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                        #12
                        This is what is so pathetic about this, the banks that the Govt. bailed out (and did not make them repay their bailouts like they did the auto companies) are creating more roadblocks for the economy to get better


                        Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                        Good question...more trickle down effects - less people flying, less people staying at hotels and less people spending travel dollars at restaurants, etc. It's just another vicious circle that will affect everyone in the long run.
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                          #13
                          So if they limit the charge to $50 bucks does it reduce their costs? Uh, I don't think so. It just reduces their profits which currently are over 4 billion a Quarter! Now if that was earned strictly by being more productive, great but when it is earned by raising fees because they can it kinda sucks in my opinion. Not to mention the ability of the banks to borrow from the Fed at near zero and then invest in US treasuries at 2-3%. Amazing to me that "financial conservatives" believe the government doesn't belong in setting fees, etc. but have no problem with the aforementioned borrowing, no risk and then adding to the US deficit. And in the meantime the consumer gets screwed because the fee is paid by the retailer, who in turn has to recoup it someway,most likely by higher prices to the consumer. So while 9 nickels seems like a pittance, it doesn't seem to me that it will kill the banking industry. Of course they will come up with some other nefarious fees to (over)compensate. Under regulation and looking the other way caused a lot of the last financial crisis and of course was the source of outrage by the same folks who are now railing against attempts to regulate. Amazing.

                          To be fair to the banks, most of them have in fact paid back their "bailout", which I believe was necessary to prevent the whole world financial system from collapsing. Of course much of their profit since the bailout has come from the zero rate borrow/invest at 3% strategy.
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                            #14
                            So...here's a question, if these ridiculous changes come to pass: If someone needs, say, a $300 plane ticket. Can the debit card be run through 6 times at $50 a pop?!
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by chicagoannie View Post
                              So...here's a question, if these ridiculous changes come to pass: If someone needs, say, a $300 plane ticket. Can the debit card be run through 6 times at $50 a pop?!
                              Most probably. Now, figure: 12 cents per pop x 6 = 72 cents. Before the government "solution" you were being gouged for a whopping 44 cents. Now you're only paying 72 cents. See how much money the government saved you? This kind of thing is almost invariably what happens when the government tries to inject its ham handed self into private business. This is precisely the reason that government managed healthcare is such a terrible idea.
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