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    More people living out of their cars

    Cars and vans become homes amid foreclosure crisis and shaky economy

    LOS ANGELES - Having lost her job and her three-bedroom house, Darlene Knoll has joined the legions of downwardly mobile who are four wheels away from homelessness.

    She is living out of her shabby 1978 RV, and every night she has to look for a place to park where she won't get hassled by the cops or insulted by residents.

    "I'm not a piece of trash," the former home health-care aide said as she stroked one of five dogs in her cramped quarters parked in the waterfront community of Marina del Rey.

    Amid the foreclosure crisis and the shaky economy, some California cities are seeing an increase in the number of people living out of their cars, vans or RVs.

    Overnight parking restrictions

    Acting on complaints from homeowners, the Los Angeles City Council got tough earlier this year by forbidding nearly all overnight parking in residential neighborhoods such as South Brentwood.

    But some people are just crowding into other parts of the city, including the seaside community of Venice, where dozens of rusty, dilapidated campers can be seen lined up outside neat single-family homes. The stench of urine emanates from a few of the vehicles, and some residents say they have seen human waste left behind.

    "They're nasty and gnarly," said Venice resident Jeff Scharlin. "We've heard about drug dealing and prostitution in them. I've never seen it, but visually they're a blight and they take up parking space."

    In Los Angeles, as in many other cities, it is illegal to live in vehicles on public streets. But the law is not easy to enforce. Police have to enter a vehicle to find signs that people are living there, such as cooking or sleeping, and occupants often refuse to answer when cops knock.

    An easier way is to restrict overnight parking. In L.A., a first offense carries a $50 fine, and subsequent violations can cost as much as $100.

    Parking-enforcement officers often give vehicle owners a warning and tell them to move on before issuing a ticket, and that usually solves the problem, said Alan Willis, a city transportation engineer. But other cities in the area are not as lenient.

    "I had my motor home towed in Culver City. It cost me $500 to get it out," said Desiri Hawkins, who lives in a small RV in Venice. "I got ticketed in Santa Monica and had to go to court."

    Magnets for homeless

    Tourist states with temperate climates, such as California and Florida, have long been magnets for the homeless. Los Angeles is the nation's homelessness capital, with an estimated 73,000 people on the streets. A survey of 3,230 homeless people last year in Los Angeles County found nearly 7 percent living in vehicles, according to the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority.

    "It's trending toward an increase," said Michael Stoop, acting executive director of the National Coalition for the Homeless. "People would rather live in a vehicle than wind up in a shelter, and you can't stay on a friend's couch forever."

    People living out of their cars or campers tend to be more well-off than the homeless on the street. They usually have jobs or disability checks that enable them to maintain an old camper but do not allow them to afford rent.

    "For more working-class and lower-middle-class people, the car is the first stop of being homeless, and sometimes it turns out to be a long stop," said Gary Blasi, a University of California, Los Angeles, law professor and activist on homeless issues.

    Some Venice residents are clamoring for overnight parking restrictions. But parking limits in oceanfront neighborhoods are problematic because the California Coastal Commission requires communities to accommodate surfers, fishermen and other early-morning beachgoers.

    "The complaints are getting louder and louder," said Los Angeles City Councilman Bill Rosendahl.

    Other cities make accommodations

    For years, some cities such as Santa Barbara, Calif., and Eugene, Ore., have accommodated people who live out of their vehicles. Activists in Venice are looking at some of those ideas. Santa Barbara, for example, allows vehicles to stay from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. in church and city parking lots.

    Knoll said she can barely afford to drive around with the rising price of gasoline eating away at the $950 monthly disability check she receives because of mental illness.

    She said she is also sick of police waking her up in the wee hours by pounding on her vehicle with their nightsticks, and she is tired of fighting with residents who call her "lowlife scum" and hurl other insults.

    "We need somewhere we can have a safe haven, where we won't be harassed," Knoll said as the wind from a passing car rocked her RV. "I never thought I'd be living like this, but I'm stuck. This is it for me."

    The Associated Press

    #2
    Sign of the times

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      #3
      I feel for the people living in their cars, but I can see why people don't want to smell urine in their neighborhoods. I remember living in Hollywood, I used to hate that smell.

      Don't they have like RV parks or something?

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        #4
        Not all places do.

        This is going to become commonplace I believe. If the loan giver had been required to keep the loans for at least half the life of the loans rather than bundling them and selling them off we might not have this problem. In that case they could have just renegotiated terms. Due the shadowy practice of these institutions though many Americans will suffer.
        May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
        July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
        September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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          #5
          I have read where many homeless want to stay in the area they had a home in, even though they can't afford it. Why is relocating or going to family so hard to do?
          Last edited by Cali; 06-25-2008, 07:17 AM.

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            #6
            The problem is that they bundled the debts and sold them. So it is sometimes hard to track down who actually owns the debt and therefore can actually renegotiate the debt.

            I think the government 'buyout' program is bad. It teaches folks that no matter how badly they screw up the government will bail them out. To have freedom we must be free to fail and to succeed. We also have to accept when we do either. The current crisis is both the lenders and homeowners faults. Most of the help will not go to the really needy, it will mostly be scarfed up by house flippers and speculators.
            May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
            July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
            September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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              #7
              I look at my financial situation as a reflection of the devaluation of the dollar as a result of the USA spending way too much money in Iraq. Injuries, accidents and medical situations have also played a major toll on my body. The last major bout of MRSA I had, lasted for 5 months. 5 months of antibiotics and narcotics (legal) left me not knowing what I was doing most of the time. The person I suspect got it from died shortly after I got it. She was in and out of the hospital. She had MRSA on her lungs. When in the hospital, people had to wear gowns and mask in order to see her. But when she was released; no precautions. I went to Church one Sunday and after the service, sat down across from her at a table and shared our conversations while drinking coffee and eating deserts. She was the Church's organ player.

              As far as being homeless, after my 1st divorce, from 1999 to 2003, I lived in back of my store in a small room. I slept on the floor. Sometimes people have to do that till they can get back on their feet. Some never do get back on their feet.

              Were I live in Arizona, some people live on the roof tops of some of the businesses. Strange place to live but 'normal' people don't get to see them so they are 'safe'.
              Golden Jubilee was a year-long celebration held every 50 years in which all bondmen were freed, mortgaged lands were restored to the original owners, and land was left fallow: Lev. 25:8-17

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                #8
                Medical problems do often lead to bankruptcy, even mine.

                However you can't blame Iraq for overspending, R and D have been overspending for a century. The last time the United States had no debt was when Andrew Jackson was President. and of the last 50 years only 4 years showed a positive budget. (once under Nixon, 3 times under Clinton).
                May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
                July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
                September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                  #9
                  I agree the war didn't get us in the mess we are in now. This has been an ongoing thing.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BigJohn View Post
                    I look at my financial situation as a reflection of the devaluation of the dollar as a result of the USA spending way too much money in Iraq. Injuries, accidents and medical situations have also played a major toll on my body. The last major bout of MRSA I had, lasted for 5 months. 5 months of antibiotics and narcotics (legal) left me not knowing what I was doing most of the time. The person I suspect got it from died shortly after I got it. She was in and out of the hospital. She had MRSA on her lungs. When in the hospital, people had to wear gowns and mask in order to see her. But when she was released; no precautions. I went to Church one Sunday and after the service, sat down across from her at a table and shared our conversations while drinking coffee and eating deserts. She was the Church's organ player.

                    As far as being homeless, after my 1st divorce, from 1999 to 2003, I lived in back of my store in a small room. I slept on the floor. Sometimes people have to do that till they can get back on their feet. Some never do get back on their feet.

                    Were I live in Arizona, some people live on the roof tops of some of the businesses. Strange place to live but 'normal' people don't get to see them so they are 'safe'.
                    This is much the same as me. I was on so many drugs after the surgery & treatements for pain that I do beleive that with the fall has left me a bit crippled in different areas as it went on for a good 6 months time. I do also agree that this particular war has done NOTHING to help our country & in every way has harmed the nation (three nations) when you view what has been spent in Iraq compared to what has been vetoed for the american people & its warriors, it becomes clear there is another agenda & they are not interested in helping their own.

                    The country was not nearly as bad off as it has become in the last 8 years. & he still wants billions & billions of more dollars to keep these wars going while denying the basic needs of the people, as the people are consistently losing income & have no place to sleep. Then the people who lose everything in natural disasters get pocket change. It has been a long process of failed policy, bad spending, creating more debt, bait & switch since the year 2000.

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                      #11
                      http://www.nationalpriorities.org/co...r_white_bg.swf
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                      “When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis

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                        #12
                        Here's a calculator to play with. Enter your state and find out what Bush's war spending could have done for you:

                        http://www.nationalpriorities.org/tr...=Get+Trade+Off
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                        “When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis

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                          #13
                          Taxpayers in California will pay $66.6 billion for total Iraq war spending approved to date.

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                            #14
                            Subprime crisis: US foreclosures bring homelessness to the middle class

                            Dan Glaister in Los Angeles and Anna Bruce-Lockhart
                            Wednesday June 25, 2008

                            Homeless people living in cars and mobile homes across the US are being joined by a new breed: the middle-class.

                            As mortgage foreclosures continue rising month on month, growing numbers of middle-class professionals are losing their homes and downsizing from four bedrooms to four wheels.

                            With numbers rising, New Beginnings, a homeless agency in Santa Barbara, California, has launched a Safe Parking Programme, aiming to provide a refuge of sorts for those who have nowhere to go other than their vehicle.

                            Guy Trevor lost his job as an interior designer when the market contracted, thanks to the mortgage foreclosure crisis.

                            With his furniture sold and his belongings in storage, he now lives in his car, spending the nights in one of the 12 gated parking lots in Santa Barbara run by New Beginnings.

                            "I see myself as a casualty of a perfect storm," he said. "The people sleeping at the parking lot are very friendly. They're just like me - they come from normal, everyday homes. I think a lot of people in this country don't realise that they, too, are a couple of pay-cheques away from destitution."

                            Mortgage foreclosures in the normally comfortable seaside area of Santa Barbara county are increasing month by month.

                            In May there were 150, with the total for the year to the end of last month reaching 800, according to figures from the county assessor's office.

                            Each month, an auction of foreclosed properties is held on the steps of the Santa Barbara courthouse.

                            "The way the economy is going, it's just amazing the people that are becoming homeless," Nancy Kapp, the programme's coordinator, told CNN. "It's hit the middle class."

                            Another of Kapp's clients, Barbara Harvey, also lost her job and subsequently her home in the foreclosure crisis. Like Trevor, her job as a loans processor was connected to the housing market.

                            The 67-year-old lost her three-bedroom home and now lives with her three dogs in her car, parking at night in a women-only car park run by agency.

                            "It went to hell in a handbasket," she said. "I didn't think this would happen to me. It's just something that I don't think that people think is going to happen to them."

                            The rise in the numbers of homeless sleeping in cars has led Los Angeles city authorities to attempt to clamp down on the problem. As with many other cities, it is illegal in LA to live in vehicles on public streets.

                            Earlier this year the city forbade nearly all overnight parking on residential streets. A first violation receives a $50 fine, while subsequent offences can carry fines up to $100.

                            "For more working-class and lower-middle-class people, the car is the first stop of being homeless, and sometimes it turns out to be a long stop," Gary Blasi, a University of California, Los Angeles, law professor and homeless activist told the Associated Press.

                            Los Angeles has the highest number of homeless in the US, with an estimated 73,000 people living rough. Of more than 3,000 homeless people surveyed last year, around 250 were sleeping in their cars.

                            "It's trending toward an increase," said Michael Stoop, acting executive director of the National Coalition for the Homeless. "People would rather live in a vehicle than wind up in a shelter, and you can't stay on a friend's couch forever."

                            Homeless people living in cars and mobile homes across the US are being joined by a new breed: the middle-class

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                              #15
                              they were promised releif, how long will it take?!

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