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    Nice article by the MSN columinst. Looks like the banks need to make a few more political contributions.

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    Bankruptcy filings soaring again

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    It looks as if last year's reform law did not really stem the enormous flood of bankruptcies after all. Here are the states with the highest bankruptcy rates.

    By Liz Pulliam Weston

    The lull in bankruptcy filings may already be a thing of the past.

    Consumer bankruptcy cases plunged to a 20-year low in the first three months of 2006, reflecting the passage of a tough new bankruptcy law last year. But the pace of new filings is already on the rise.

    Courts now see an average of 2,000 new filings a day -- four times the number that were filed in November 2005 after the bankruptcy law went into effect, according to Chris Lundquist, founder of Lundquist Consulting, which tracks bankruptcy trends.

    If filings continue to rise at anything like this rate -- which is not a given, but certainly a possibility -- we could see close to 1 million filings by the end of the year. Credit card interest
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    That would still be significantly less than the record filing levels that drove passage of the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005. But it would be a pretty clear indication that the bankruptcy juggernaut was just stalled, not cured, by the new law.

    Flood hits credit counseling agencies
    Meanwhile, the leading credit counseling organization says bankruptcy reform is putting unprecedented strain on counselors' finances.


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    Bankruptcy filers are required to undergo credit counseling before they can proceed with their cases, but many arrive at the counselors in such sorry shape that they can't pay the nominal fee the agencies impose, said Bob Ensinger, marketing director for the National Foundation for Credit Counseling.

    Each pre-bankruptcy counseling session costs the agencies an average $50.96, Ensinger said, but the average amount collected is just $37.71. Losing $13.25 on each session is bad enough, but the agencies complain that a larger-than-expected number of applicants is forcing them to redirect resources to bankrupts that might otherwise be used to help consumers who still have a fighting chance to pay their debts.

    Surely, this is not what Congress had in mind.

    Lawmakers wanted to stem a rising tide of filings, so they passed a law that can divert higher-income filers into Chapter 13 repayment plans, rather than allowing them to file for a Chapter 7 liquidation of their debts. Critics said the bill unfairly punished consumers while putting few restrictions on irresponsible lenders.

    Fallout from reform
    The reform law's unexpected -- and unpleasant -- consequences started before it even went into effect.

    Consumers rushing to beat the Oct. 17 implementation flooded the court system, leading to long lines outside courthouses and unprecedented numbers of filings. More than 2 million consumer cases were filed in 2005, including 619,588 in October alone.

    Consumers usually don't file bankruptcy on the spur of the moment. Typically, they struggle for years with their finances before giving in, Lundquist said. His research indicates that the "extra" filings last year represented many people who otherwise wouldn't have filed for another 12 to 24 months.

    All told, one in every 60 households filed a consumer bankruptcy in 2005, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute. In 2004, one of every 79 households filed; by the first quarter of this year, the rate had plunged to 1 in 261.

    #2
    Imagine that. My 341 meeting had probably 45-50 cases today. The room had a capacity of 85, and not many seats, if any, were empty. The attorneys pretty much set in the hallway until there client was called up. My attorney is so busy, she called me tonight at around 8:00 pm...she was still in the office working.

    I wish I had the answer to fix the bankrutpcy problem in America. I don't and neither does the President or Congress. The only real fix is to quit spending, and we know what that would do to the economy.
    Chapter 13 Filed 4/03/06 :blink: 341 Meeting Complete 5/11/06 :yes2:
    Plan Confirmation 6/16/06 :yahoo:
    Discharged: 1/5/2010 :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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      #3
      Originally posted by aa06a47
      I wish I had the answer to fix the bankrutpcy problem in America.
      A good start would be for the credit card companies to stop the exorbitant late fees and to stop increasing the interest rate to 30% when a payment is only one day late.

      When one's credit card interest rate goes from 9% to 30% in one month because a payment was a few days late, a debt that formerly may have seemed manageable becomes impossible to repay.

      While personal responsibility is, of course, an important ingredient to reducing bankruptcies, the credit card companies are in the middle of the issue with cans of gasoline that they are throwing on the fire. When their own greed creates a situation that backfires on them, the credit card companies simply buy the politicians to rewrite the laws in their favor. It's good to see the credit card companies and the politicians get what the greedy b...trds deserve.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Rover
        A good start would be for the credit card companies to stop the exorbitant late fees and to stop increasing the interest rate to 30% when a payment is only one day late.

        When one's credit card interest rate goes from 9% to 30% in one month because a payment was a few days late, a debt that formerly may have seemed manageable becomes impossible to repay.

        While personal responsibility is, of course, an important ingredient to reducing bankruptcies, the credit card companies are in the middle of the issue with cans of gasoline that they are throwing on the fire. When their own greed creates a situation that backfires on them, the credit card companies simply buy the politicians to rewrite the laws in their favor. It's good to see the credit card companies and the politicians get what the greedy b...trds deserve.
        Rover, I couldn't agree with you more on what you said. The credit card industry is akin to a drug pusher. I had several of them jump up to 30% after being a day late. Of course, now I'm glad they did. If they wouldn't have, I probably wouldn't have had to declare bk for another couple of years, and more money thrown down the drain paying back an unpayable debt.
        Chapter 13 Filed 4/03/06 :blink: 341 Meeting Complete 5/11/06 :yes2:
        Plan Confirmation 6/16/06 :yahoo:
        Discharged: 1/5/2010 :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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          #5
          aa06a47,

          Glad your 341 meeting went well, though don't get too excited yet...... You still have the 60 days waiting period for the creditors to object.....

          Caution, just because creditors did not appear at the 341 meeting doesn't mean that they may not make an objection sometime in the next 60 days....

          So be patient, sit back, have a coke (pepsi preference - someday I'm buying stock in Pepsi).... and try to relax while your waiting it out.....

          When you see discharged on pacer or get it in the mail - we will all CELEBRATE WITH YOU..........

          Minny

          "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

          My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Minnymouth
            aa06a47,

            Glad your 341 meeting went well, though don't get too excited yet...... You still have the 60 days waiting period for the creditors to object.....

            Caution, just because creditors did not appear at the 341 meeting doesn't mean that they may not make an objection sometime in the next 60 days....

            So be patient, sit back, have a coke (pepsi preference - someday I'm buying stock in Pepsi).... and try to relax while your waiting it out.....

            When you see discharged on pacer or get it in the mail - we will all CELEBRATE WITH YOU..........

            I'm a pepsiaholic myself. Not sure the trustee would like me owning stocks right now though!

            Yeah, yesterday I was probably acting more like Tom Cruise than I should have. But I'm happy that my case is progressing along.

            I understand it ain't over till the judge says it's over. Since I'm in a 13, you won't see a discharge for 5 years....can't I have a glass of champaign now...alright, I'll make it a big gulp of diet pepsi, not time to break the champaign glasses out?
            Chapter 13 Filed 4/03/06 :blink: 341 Meeting Complete 5/11/06 :yes2:
            Plan Confirmation 6/16/06 :yahoo:
            Discharged: 1/5/2010 :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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              #7
              Min, sometimes the deadline to object is even extended without your knowledge. Mine lasted until 30 days before the closing of the case. I learned that by looking at Pacer. aa I'm a diet coke-aholic. Stress leads me to diet coke, the last two H/canes the first thing I did after was search out a diet coke.
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                #8
                Originally posted by robivi3
                Min, sometimes the deadline to object is even extended without your knowledge. Mine lasted until 30 days before the closing of the case. I learned that by looking at Pacer. aa I'm a diet coke-aholic. Stress leads me to diet coke, the last two H/canes the first thing I did after was search out a diet coke.
                Diet coke just taste like artificial sweetner to me. I like Regular Coke from time to time for a change of pace.

                I'm praying they don't object. They really have no reason to object to the chapter 13 plan, as they are getting more than they would in a liquidation. The court goes over the I&J with a fine toothed comb, so the creditors have to know the payments are close to where they should be.

                They might object to the dischargability of the debt, which I hope none of them do. At least they are getting something in the Chapter 13. My "big" creditors have already sold the debts to people who buy bankrupt debt. I don't know if that is good or bad?
                Chapter 13 Filed 4/03/06 :blink: 341 Meeting Complete 5/11/06 :yes2:
                Plan Confirmation 6/16/06 :yahoo:
                Discharged: 1/5/2010 :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by aa06a47
                  Diet coke just taste like artificial sweetner to me. I like Regular Coke from time to time for a change of pace.

                  I'm praying they don't object. They really have no reason to object to the chapter 13 plan, as they are getting more than they would in a liquidation. The court goes over the I&J with a fine toothed comb, so the creditors have to know the payments are close to where they should be.

                  They might object to the dischargability of the debt, which I hope none of them do. At least they are getting something in the Chapter 13. My "big" creditors have already sold the debts to people who buy bankrupt debt. I don't know if that is good or bad?
                  Even though the new law allows disputing a debtors discharge in a 13, I can't imagine them disputing many of these unless it's a large amount inside the presumption period. I also notice that when they dispute a discharge under sec523 it's usually chapter 7 no asset cases. If they get something back they may say forget it.

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                    #10
                    The whole new law just isn't doing what they expected. They act like all this BK news is unexpected, when, actually, it was quite predictable.
                    1) Spike in filings pre-new change in laws.
                    2) Lull post-change since people had already filed and lawyers were too busy to take on new cases immediately following the change.
                    3) New year, new credit card minimum payment changes resulting in people unable to keep up with their bills. Surprise, surprise--increased filings.
                    *** THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE--ONLY A LAWYER CAN PROVIDE THAT. ***

                    My posts represent hours of research on and off the web, these forums, my experience, and my opinions.

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                      #11
                      Has anyone gotten to the point of bankruptcy without credit card companies applying default interest rates? Only my credit union charge did not go to almost 30% interest even when I was paying all regularly. Only Chase was overlimit and a few days late initially. All the other big boys jacked things up (BofA, MBNA, WellsFargo) until it became unmanageable.
                      August '05 Business failed.
                      Spring '06 Found this site, thank heavens
                      Chap 7 (no asset) filed 11/10/06; 341:1/31/07
                      disharged 2/26; closed 4/17/07

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Bobby'sGirl
                        Has anyone gotten to the point of bankruptcy without credit card companies applying default interest rates? Only my credit union charge did not go to almost 30% interest even when I was paying all regularly. Only Chase was overlimit and a few days late initially. All the other big boys jacked things up (BofA, MBNA, WellsFargo) until it became unmanageable.
                        That's one thing that should be made illegal, the Universal Default. The greed of credit card companies to increase interest rates when you weren't even late on their card is the height of greediness, and makes me feel less guilty about having had to file bankruptcy.
                        Filed: 3/7/06
                        341: 4/3/06
                        Last Day for Objections: 6/2/06
                        Discharged: 6/9/06
                        Case Closed: 6/15/06

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bobby'sGirl
                          Has anyone gotten to the point of bankruptcy without credit card companies applying default interest rates? Only my credit union charge did not go to almost 30% interest even when I was paying all regularly. Only Chase was overlimit and a few days late initially. All the other big boys jacked things up (BofA, MBNA, WellsFargo) until it became unmanageable.

                          It is a stupid system they have to run people into bankruptcy. It's one thing to be late and violate the agreement (very small print) that most of us ignore, but no matter what the excuse on what we agree to it is bad and unethical for a business to penalize you for paying their competitor a few days late. You would think that BofA would be happy if Chase received a late payment.

                          As for credit unions they have a lower cap on interest rates. They can only charge members what their state allows them to. S. Dakota and Delaware have higher interest rates and the banks are allowed to export those high rates.

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                            #14
                            Couldn't agree more....I was doing status quo on making my monthly payments...not reducing my debt until the monthly minimum went up. I cried when I heard they were going to initiate that----I knew that was it.
                            Now due to car issues I cannot even save to file BK yet....thank god for really good friends....I wouldn't even have been able to get to work....!!!!

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