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    Seeking Information, Please Help!!!!!

    Hello everyone,

    I'm new to the forums here, but can't begin to describe how happy I am that a place like this exists, so thanks in advance to any insight anyone can provide.

    My situation is regarding my parents, who are experiencing huge financial problems right now and are at risk of losing their house. Here's their situation: They are currently two months behind on their mortgage, the mortgage company has begun forclosure proceedings which will commence in about a month. They have between 40-50K in credit card debt, and can't even really afford to make their minimum payments, which in total would exceed 1K per month, their mortgage is around 2K, and I should mention that my Dad has been unemployed for about a year. My Mom makes decent money, she probably takes home about 45K a year. I have advised them that filing for bankruptcy is probably their best option. Although I'm not sure whether they would qualify to file chapter 7.

    I know chapter 7 would be the only way for them to start over, and have a chance at making it work. From what I have gathered after talking to some people and reading some things is that with chapter 7, they would be able to erase the credit card debt, but would more than likely have to give up thier house b/c they are not current. I realize that once they file, the forclosure would be stayed and they would have some time to become current, which is a possibility. Now if they were to file chapter 13, they would be able to keep their house, and be able to set-up a plan to get current, but they would still be burdened with the huge credit card debt, correct? Which is the ultimate problem here. They now understand the grave nature of the situation they are now in, and have conceeded that regardless of what happens thay are more than likely going to have to move.

    I guess the questions I looking to have answered are:
    1) Realistically, how much disposable income can you have and still qualify for chapter 7?
    2) If they did happen to qualify for chapter 7, is it possible for them to become current on their house in time to keep it?
    3) From my point of view, it does not make sense for them to file chapter 13 to try and save their house, and still have the credit card debt, b/c they might be able to make it for a while but would no doubt be in the same prediciment later on, b/c they could pay the minimum payments on the credit cards, but it wouldn't put any dent in the principal, so they'd be paying over a 1K per month, and get nowhere, so I guess the question would be in thier situation, is it chapter 7 or bust? What I mean is that if they can't qualify for chapter 7, should they just sell their house and avoid the forclosure and not file chapter 13. It wouldn't really make a difference to their credit rating b/c it basically shot already, thay don't have a car loan and have'nt used a credit card in about 2 yrs. Does this sound right or am I missing something?

    #2
    As to your questions

    1. Less than $100 (possibly less than $150) of disposible income FROM ALL SOURCES to still qualify for a Chapter 7.

    2. That is up to the bank. If they want to cure the default on the home, they need to contact the bank ASAP and see if they can even afford the plan the bank would propose. Usually it amounts to making the usual payment + a half payment each month to cure the default. Thus, if their mortgage is $2k, they would probably be expected to pay a total of $3k a month to cure the defualt. However, if they file bankruptcy, the trustee may not accept that extra payment. So, they whould really cure the default before they attempt to file Chapter 7.

    3. Your assumption about the chapter 13 and credit cards is incorrect. Yes, they file Chapter 13 to save their home and the arrearage on the home payment would take priority. But under a chapter 13, all a debtors debts are categorized and paid according to the priority set up by the bankruptcy statute. Minimally, your parents would be required to pay all their disposible income to the chapter 13 trustee for 36 months. The credit cards get payments from the chapter 13 trustee. At the end of the 36 months, any remaining balance on those credit cards is discharged (eliminated).

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      #3
      Thanks, the chapter 13 is starting to make more sense to me, but lets say that hypothetically they do file chapter 13, save their house, and pay their disposable income to the trustee. What would happen if my Dad gets another job, would that added income all be categorized as disposable, and thus be paid to the trustee, cause to me that would seem counter-productive.

      What I mean is that if they filed for chapter 13, and set it up that way, wouldn't it make no sense for my Dad to work and pay all that money to the credit cards, when after that time period of 36 months or so, the debt would be forgiven, no matter how much of it they've paid off?

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        #4
        From a pure numbers viewpoint, no, it doesn't make sense for him to work only to pay more to creditors.

        Ethically, of course he should work. I can't imagine someone sitting on their butt for 3 years while their spouse goes off to work every day to pay for things they both bought together and couldn't actually afford.

        If he decides to re-enter the job market after 36 months, what's he going to say to potential employers about his hiatus? Employers don't like large unexplained gaps in employment. And I doubt they'd be impressed if he said he chose not to work because he didn't want to repay his debts.

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          #5
          I agree with lightning on this one, not working in order to have a successful bankruptcy NEVER makes sense.

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            #6
            You and your folks need to sit down with at least 2 lawyers and see what they say about a bankruptcy..... Get opinion - then make decisions....
            Not working to keep from paying debts is not advisable.....really a form of fraud when you sit back and look at it.
            Keep us posted,

            Minny
            Minny

            "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

            My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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