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    Should my friend declare bankruptcy, or settle? -- Texas

    **NOTE: I initially posted this question in the Collections forum but then realized that this forum might be better suited for it. I apologize in advance for the double post and won't have any problem at all with a mod deleting the one that is where it doesn't belong.

    Okay, so I have a close friend who has a large credit card debt. Long story behind that, but I won't get into that. Point is he wasn't able to afford to pay for any of them then and he's still barely able to get by now. He wanted to declare bankruptcy some years ago but was not able to afford it, and debt consolidation would not have helped because there was no way he was going to be able to make any payments unless it was $50 or less a month. So he ended up just ignoring it. His last payments to any of his credit cards was in October of 2003.

    Now the statute of limitations on unsecured debts in TX is 4 years, but one debt collection agency filed against him 3 days before one of his debts could expire (back in 2007), and now they've scheduled a hearing for a Motion for Summary Judgment this October 1.

    He has many other credit card debts besides this one, but not a single one of those debtors has attempted to file a suit against him, and those debts are scheduled to fall from his credit report some time next year. He doesn't even receive collection letters from any of his old debtors anymore except around tax season when they offer a bunch of discounts on his old debts so that he'll use his income tax money to pay them off (but he has to use that money to catch up on other expenses, such as his car and electricity bills, since he's usually behind by that time).

    Anyway, unless the collection agency suing my friend fails to show up to the hearing (which I seriously doubt), my friend will in all likelihood lose and will then have a judgment hovering over his head. So he's going to have to declare bankruptcy anyway. He still doesn't have the money to pay for it, but, luckily, there are a few people in his life now who are all willing to pitch in close to about $2000 to help him with that.

    My question is this: should he use this money to go ahead and declare bankruptcy even though his other now expired debts will fall off of his credit report around this time next year anyway, or attempt to settle with the agency suing him and agree to pay them the $2000 instead so that he can save himself the trouble of a bankruptcy? We don't even know if the agency would accept the deal since the original debt was for about $7000 and they're seeking $12000, but I thought that if he talked to them and showed them that his expenses (insulin, mortgage, car, food, phone, child support, etc) almost exceeds his means and that he's planning to file for bankruptcy that they'd agree to take something over nothing.

    What do you all think? Assuming that they'd be willing to take such a deal, would it be best to settle on the one debt, or declare bankruptcy to clear them all even though they're all expired now and only have a year left on his credit report?

    Also, if anyone could tell me how fast a company is generally able to act after being awarded a judgment, that would be great. I'm talking about placing a lien on a checking account or seizing assets (like furniture), that sort of thing. Reason I'm asking, even though there are people (including myself) who are willing to help my friend financially, it will still be a couple months before we'll all be able to scrape enough together for him to use. I know that some BK lawyers are willing to accept payments, but I think I was told that they won't actually begin filing until after they've received the whole thing. Any info on this would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
    Last edited by bbqcornnuts; 09-27-2009, 12:45 PM.

    #2
    Originally posted by bbqcornnuts View Post
    **NOTE: I initially posted this question in the Collections forum but then realized that this forum might be better suited for it. I apologize in advance for the double post and won't have any problem at all with a mod deleting the one that is where it doesn't belong. You did not make the "unforgivable sin".

    Okay, so I have a close friend who has a large credit card debt. Long story behind that, but I won't get into that. Point is he wasn't able to afford to pay for any of them then and he's still barely able to get by now. He wanted to declare bankruptcy some years ago but was not able to afford it, and debt consolidation would not have helped because there was no way he was going to be able to make any payments unless it was $50 or less a month. So he ended up just ignoring it. His last payments to any of his credit cards was in October of 2003. OK, I see, if he wanted to declare bk years ago, and he forsook all those cards then, why is he in such dire straights now?

    Now the statute of limitations on unsecured debts in TX is 4 years, but one debt collection agency filed against him 3 days before one of his debts could expire (back in 2007), and now they've scheduled a hearing for a Motion for Summary Judgment this October 1. OK.

    He has many other credit card debts besides this one, but not a single one of those debtors has attempted to file a suit against him, and those debts are scheduled to fall from his credit report some time next year. He doesn't even receive collection letters from any of his old debtors anymore except around tax season when they offer a bunch of discounts on his old debts so that he'll use his income tax money to pay them off (but he has to use that money to catch up on other expenses, such as his car and electricity bills, since he's usually behind by that time). OK, list them all make it official.

    Anyway, unless the collection agency suing my friend fails to show up to the hearing (which I seriously doubt), my friend will in all likelihood lose and will then have a judgment hovering over his head. So he's going to have to declare bankruptcy anyway. He still doesn't have the money to pay for it, but, luckily, there are a few people in his life now who are all willing to pitch in close to about $2000 to help him with that. 2K will do it, but,,,,,if he is not able even to bk, and he has stopped paying all that debt, what makes you think he has learned a lesson and will not be back in 8 years doing all this over?

    My question is this: should he use this money to go ahead and declare bankruptcy even though his other now expired debts will fall off of his credit report around this time next year anyway, or attempt to settle with the agency suing him and agree to pay them the $2000 instead so that he can save himself the trouble of a bankruptcy? We don't even know if the agency would accept the deal since the original debt was for about $7000 and they're seeking $12000, but I thought that if he talked to them and showed them that his costs almost exceeds his means and that he fully qualifies for bankruptcy even under the new laws that they'd agree to take something over nothing. They have a right to bring forth interest and late fees. Again, list all the cards. Again, has he learned to live frugally? I don't see it.

    What do you all think? Assuming that they'd be willing to take such a deal, would it be best to settle on the one debt, or declare bankruptcy to clear them all even though they're all expired now and only have a year left on his credit report? If he settles on one debt of 7k or 12K but cannot afford 2K for bk, I don't get it?

    Also, if you could also tell me how fast a company is generally able to act after being awarded a judgment, that would be great. The same day. I'm talking about placing a lien on a checking account or seizing assets (like furniture), that sort of thing. Reason I'm asking, even though there are people (including myself) who are willing to help my friend financially, it will still be a couple months before we'll all be able to scrape enough together for him to use. I know that some BK lawyers are willing to accept payments, but I think I was told that they won't actually begin filing until after they've received the whole thing. Any info on this would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. I hope you are REAL close to your friend as I have been burned too many times. His history (as you explained it) is not good at management of funds.
    If it were me, as him, I would bk ASAP. Find a lawyer that will take payments and give a down payment for the filing at least. Does he have assets he can lose? Or sell? This sounds real weak to me, but that is only my opinion as to your information. 'Hub
    If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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      #3
      Hub, while I do appreciate you answering in the first place, I don't really understand the point behind your comments about my friend or his situation. Some of them don't even make sense to me. The details behind why he's in the situation he's in is besides the point of my question in the first place, but I'll make things a little more clear:

      1) Nasty divorce.
      2) Bad accident.
      3) Medical problems.
      4) Low income (earns less than 2K a month).

      And he's not attempting to pay 7-12K on the debt he's being sued for. If he attempts to settle at all, it would only be for the 2K that he'll be receiving from friends. Like I said, I was only wondering about the possibilities born from the small chance that they'd be willing to settle for something over nothing (which is basically just the 2K).

      His credit card debts altogether amount to something like 50K, all split up between 7-8 different cards. This is a debt accumulated over several years beginning with when he was laid off and unable to find work for the first year.

      His expenses:

      Mortage - $800/mo.
      Electricity - $150-$200/mo.
      Water - $75/mo.
      Car - $375/mo.
      Insulin (and other required medicine) - $67/mo.
      Food - $100-$200/mo.
      Gas - $100/mo. (he has to commute to work, and current gas prices don't help)
      Child Support - something like $2-300/mo. (supposed to be $500/mo., but his ex is accepting whatever he can give at this point)

      He's been budgeting fine for the last 5-6 years, there's just no room for an extra payment. He had great credit before this mess, but then he ran into a lot of bad luck which hit him all at once, and he's had a hard time ever since.

      EDIT: also forgot to answer, his home, truck, and wages are protected from collection within the state of Texas. He doesn't own any other real estate or property. He has furniture, but nothing worth much. What we're most worried about is the lien on his checking account. His job requires that he has direct deposit, so his wages all go into his checking account. That's his livelihood.
      Last edited by bbqcornnuts; 09-27-2009, 01:18 PM.

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        #4
        personally I'd encourage him to file bk. If this creditor filed a judgement so close to it falling off his report, who is to say that another creditor wouldn't do the same thing? if he takes that 2k and settles with that creditor instead of filing bk, then in a year he may be in the same position and wishing he had just filed bankruptcy the first time - basically 2k wasted... Just my opinion though, rather be safe than sorry!

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          #5
          Originally posted by bbqcornnuts View Post
          Hub, while I do appreciate you answering in the first place, I don't really understand the point behind your comments about my friend or his situation. Some of them don't even make sense to me. The details behind why he's in the situation he's in is besides the point of my question in the first place, but I'll make things a little more clear:

          1) Nasty divorce.
          2) Bad accident.
          3) Medical problems.
          4) Low income (earns less than 2K a month).

          And he's not attempting to pay 7-12K on the debt he's being sued for. If he attempts to settle at all, it would only be for the 2K that he'll be receiving from friends. Like I said, I was only wondering about the possibilities born from the small chance that they'd be willing to settle for something over nothing (which is basically just the 2K).

          His credit card debts altogether amount to something like 50K, all split up between 7-8 different cards. This is a debt accumulated over several years beginning with when he was laid off and unable to find work for the first year.

          His expenses:

          Mortage - $800/mo.
          Electricity - $150-$200/mo.
          Water - $75/mo.
          Car - $375/mo.
          Insulin (and other required medicine) - $67/mo.
          Food - $100-$200/mo.
          Gas - $100/mo. (he has to commute to work, and current gas prices don't help)
          Child Support - something like $2-300/mo. (supposed to be $500/mo., but his ex is accepting whatever he can give at this point)

          He's been budgeting fine for the last 5-6 years, there's just no room for an extra payment. He had great credit before this mess, but then he ran into a lot of bad luck which hit him all at once, and he's had a hard time ever since.

          EDIT: also forgot to answer, his home, truck, and wages are protected from collection within the state of Texas. He doesn't own any other real estate or property. He has furniture, but nothing worth much. What we're most worried about is the lien on his checking account. His job requires that he has direct deposit, so his wages all go into his checking account. That's his livelihood.
          Well, I did not at all wish to hurt his or your feelings. I went upon what was presented.

          Without a little more history, my retort may have been different. I can only go by what you stated which was little.

          I agree with "becky20" as if he settles with one, it could hurt his bk attempt as it would be a 'preferential' payment. This could open a new can of worms as anything may start that SOL over again. Not being a lawyer, I can advise only by my learning and past history. 'Hub
          If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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            #6
            Given what you've told us, Becky20 is right. Use the $2K to file bk asap and get rid of *ALL* of the unsecured debt. Problem solved.

            And yes, to answer your original question, assuming he is under the TX median income and he's able to file Ch 7, then the vast majority of bk laywers will want to paid in full before they will file the case.

            Your friend should interview at least 3-4 experienced bk lawyers before choosing the one he feels will represent his interests best. Then hand over the $2K and quit looking backwards waiting for the next lawsuit to be filed.
            I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice nor a statement of the law - only a lawyer can provide those.

            06/01/06 - Filed Ch 13
            06/28/06 - 341 Meeting
            07/18/06 - Confirmation Hearing - not confirmed, 3 objections
            10/05/06 - Hearing to resolve 2 trustee objections
            01/24/07 - Judge dismisses mortgage company objection
            09/27/07 - Confirmed at last!
            06/10/11 - Trustee confirms all payments made
            08/10/11 - DISCHARGED !

            10/02/11 - CASE CLOSED
            Countdown: 60 months paid, 0 months to go

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              #7
              his case doesn't seem all that complicated; why not just buy him the nolo BK7 book?

              You or someone else can probably even help him out with things he may not understand.

              Unless people have a really complex case; it's not necessary to hire a lawyer. Especially if you can't really afford one.

              If anyone reads this forum for a couple of months- it would be really easy to file yourself. You can ask questions about forms or situations and there are many here that can help you out.

              Good luck
              Filed Pro Se: 10/16/2009
              341 Scheduled: 11/23/2009
              Last Day for Objections: 1/22/2010
              Discharged: 1/28/2010

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                #8
                Thanks, everyone, I'll be sure to tell my friend that it's in his best interest to file for bk rather than attempt to settle.

                I have one other question. I know that some states which protects wages against garnishment also make it so banks can set you up with wage checking accounts. Only wages can be deposited into these accounts (either in the form of a check or via direct deposit), and these accounts are protected against liens in the case of judgments (basically only the IRS can touch them). Does anyone know if Texas has such a thing?

                @jribe: I've actually thought about it, but I think my friend is too afraid that he'll screw something up. I'll definitely look into it anyway just to see if this is something I can walk him through, though.

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