Hiding earnings and assetts

[mrsJJ]

I know of a couple that are in the process of filing bankruptcy (chapter 7). He is doing numerous large cash jobs and also aquiring assetts that he is hiding from the courts. He also owes back child support that he is hiding the earnings from. To top that off his Banker is helping him cash the checks and hide the money. I want to report this. What is the best way to do this.

[FraggleRock]

How about minding your own business and let them try to scrape by and do what they need to do?

Do you have paper evidence to back up your claims? Do you have any kind of proof?

[annikasaunt]

This forum is for those of us who have to file for BK. Not for those who want to tattle on those that are trying to get by. We are not into turning people in here! So.....

[NASCAR20FAN]

Honestly, it sounds like we found who he owes the back child support to...

[FraggleRock]

Honestly, it sounds like we found who he owes the back child support to...

Ahhh Dear Watson, I believe you figured it out!

[wenderful]

In order to prove "cash" transactions, you'll have to hire a forensic accountant.

[lrprn]

I know of a couple that are in the process of filing bankruptcy (chapter 7). He is doing numerous large cash jobs and also aquiring assetts that he is hiding from the courts. He also owes back child support that he is hiding the earnings from. To top that off his Banker is helping him cash the checks and hide the money. I want to report this. What is the best way to do this.

Sorry you've received some responses that have been less than helpful, mrsJJ. Since this board is made up of folks like myself who have been forced to file bk, many for reasons completely beyond their control, anyone perceived as being "on the other side" sometimes picks up some of our anger and frustration, even when they don't deserve it.

If this couple is indeed committing bankruptcy fraud, as Wenderful notes, you need documented proof, not just hearsay. The Dept of Justice has a process with a form to report suspected bankruptcy fraud at http://justice.gov/ust/r12/Info/FAQ.htm . Hope this helps.

[wenderful]

A Forensic Accountant can prove income by patterns of spending, etc. A lot of women in divorce and or child support cases use Forensic Accountants to show patterns in spending and income -- courts will allow evidence based on findings made by a Forensic Accountant.

[mrsJJ]

Hey I have filed bankruptcy before. I know how it is. But you do not know this man. There is no scraping by with him. He spends his cash and is very much the high roller. I have a very personal interest in this, that I really can not go into on a public forum. But, no, I dont have any kids with him.

[anonymuse]

I know of a couple that are in the process of filing bankruptcy (chapter 7). He is doing numerous large cash jobs and also aquiring assetts that he is hiding from the courts. He also owes back child support that he is hiding the earnings from. To top that off his Banker is helping him cash the checks and hide the money. I want to report this. What is the best way to do this.

Can't believe the response you've gotten for wanting to make sure someone's actions are lawful.

I'd approach it from two angles: 1) the bk fraud, and 2) child support fraud.

I'm not sure of who to contact about child support fraud; however, they may be able to help you over at expertlaw.com

I know this is hearsay, but hopefully the courts could investigate it through that banker with a forensic accountant.

[GoingDown]

I've honestly never heard the term, "forensic accountant" before. At first I thought you guys were just joking. Somehow it brought up images of an accountant leaning over the chalkmarks of what used to be dead body, and punching numbers into a calculator.

Anyways, this is simply not the forum to help people from the other side. What's next? Should we start a thread for Trustees and Creditor's Attorneys?

[wenderful]

Nope, no joke! There are Forensic Accountants and they are very real.

I don't see mentioning this a helping the "other side". Yes, this is a bankrutpcy forum and it should stay on topic. Of course there are many other threads there that stray off-topic as well.

But what about a guy that commits fraud to avoid child support? He deserves to be caught by EITHER "side". Forget the Bk for a second and focus on the child support, think of your kids going without because the other parent commits fraud and squeezed his/her way out. It's just wrong.

BK fraud is one thing -- skipping out on your children is another -- and yes, another forum all together too, I suppose.

[ccidiot01]

I imagine BK fraud is one of the reasons congress tried to make it less desirable to file in 2005. Just as Insurance Fraud causes your premiums to go up, BK fraud makes it more difficult for those that truly are in need of the protection to get it. Seems to be in everyone's interest to eliminate the true fraud out there so that everyone is not forced to pay for the transgressions of a few...just my .02

[FraggleRock]

Yes, preventing fruad is fine but this probably isn't the best forum to ask such a question. There are a lot of law sites that will answer basic questions, such as this pro-bono. Calling a local attoroney as well would have been a good option.

[wenderful]

yes, there is another one too call allexperts.com and I've had good reponses from them in less than 24 hours!