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    Cap One's Credit Trap
    By offering multiple cards, the lender helps land some subprime borrowers in a deep hole and boosts its earnings with fee income.

    When Brad Kehn received his first credit card from Capital One Financial Corp. (COF ) in 2004, it took him only three months to exceed its $300 credit limit and get socked with a $35 over-limit fee. But what surprised the Plankinton (S.D.) resident more was that Cap One then offered him another card even though he was over the limit -- and another and another. By early 2006, he and his wife had six Cap One Visa and MasterCards. They were in over their heads.

    The couple was late and over the limit on all six cards, despite occasionally borrowing from one to pay the other. Every month they chalked up $70 in late and over-limit fees on each card, for a total of $420, in addition to paying penalty interest rates. The couple fell further behind as their Cap One balances soared. Even so, they still received mail offers for more Cap One cards until they sought relief at a credit counseling agency this May. "I didn't open them," says Kehn, 33, who manages a truck stop and runs a carpet-cleaning business on the side. "I owe these people that much damn money and they are willing to give me another credit card? This is nuts."

    Credit card experts and counselors who help overextended debtors say there's nothing crazy about it. Cap One, they contend, is simply aiming to maximize fee income from debtors who may be less sophisticated and who may not have many options because of their credit history. By offering several cards with low limits, instead of one with a larger limit, the odds are increased that cardholders will exceed their limits, garnering over-limit fees. Juggling several cards also increases the chance consumers may be late on a payment, incurring an additional fee. And if cardholders fall behind, they pile up over-limit and late fees on several cards instead of just one. "How many more ways can I fool you?" says Elizabeth Warren, a Harvard Law School professor who has written extensively on the card industry. "That is all this is about."

    Consumers may not be the only ones who are unaware of Cap One's ways. Its practice of issuing multiple cards to some borrowers with low credit ratings doesn't appear well-known in the investment community. And just how much Cap One relies on fee income, vs. interest, is a mystery, since, like most lenders, it doesn't disclose that. All credit card companies have become more reliant on fee income in recent years, but in a report issued in 2002, William Ryan, an investment analyst at Portales Partners, warned that Cap One's earnings could be "devastated" if regulators cracked down on multiple cards or fees.

    That hasn't happened. For now, Cap One's approach looks pretty savvy, however onerous it may be for some customers. Ronald Mann, a card-industry expert, says that by generating so much revenue from late and over-limit fees, as well as interest, Cap One likely more than offsets for the risk of card holders filing for bankruptcy. "The premise is to make money even if [Cap One] never gets fully repaid," says Mann, a law professor at the University of Texas in Austin. (Mann has been retained by a party suing Cap One in a business dispute.)

    In a written response to questions, Cap One acknowledges that it offers multiple cards. "Our goal is to offer products that meet our customers' needs and appropriately reflect their ability to pay," it says. The company also stated: "Within our current U.S. portfolio, the vast majority of Capital One customers have only one Capital One credit card with a very small percentage choosing to have three or more cards." Spokeswoman Tatiana Stead declined to offer precise numbers or to say whether households with three or more cards were concentrated among "subprime" borrowers, who have low credit ratings.

    UNDER THE RADAR
    The nation's fifth-largest credit card issuer, with $49 billion in U.S. credit card receivables as of the end of June, McLean (Va.)-based Cap One is a major lender to the subprime market. According to Cap One's regulatory filings, 30% of its credit card loans are subprime. Representatives of 32 credit counseling agencies contacted by BusinessWeek say that Cap One has long stood out for the number of cards it's willing to give to subprime borrowers. "In the higher-risk market, no lender is more aggressive in offering multiple cards," says Kathryn Crumpton, manager of Consumer Credit Counseling Service of Greater Milwaukee. Other big card-industry players that do subprime lending include Bank of America, Chase, and Citigroup. Representatives for Chase and Citigroup say they do not offer multiple cards to subprime customers. (BofA did not respond to inquiries.)

    Last year, West Virginia Attorney General Darrell V. McGraw Jr. filed an action in state court seeking documents from Cap One related to its issuance of multiple cards, as well as other credit practices. Other than that, however, Cap One's practices do not appear to have drawn regulatory scrutiny. A spokesman for the Federal Reserve, Cap One's primary federal overseer, declined to comment about Cap One, but said that in general the regulator doesn't object to multiple cards. Still, Fed guidelines warn multiple-card lenders to analyze the credit risk tied to all the cards before offering additional ones.

    If consumers were using one Cap One card to make payments on another, it could artificially hold down the company's delinquency and charge-off rates, metrics investors closely watch because they affect earnings, says Allen Puwalski, senior financial analyst at the Center for Financial Research & Analysis in Rockville, Md.

    In filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, Cap One says its delinquency and charge-off rates as of Sept. 30 were 3.6% and 2.5%, respectively, about middle of the pack for major card lenders.

    In an e-mail, Cap One's Stead says: "It is not our practice -- nor our intention -- to offer an additional card to customers who are currently delinquent or over limit on a Capital One card." But Daniel Carvajal believes that's just what Cap One tried to get him to do. Carvajal, 38, who is confined to a wheelchair with cerebral palsy and lives with his mother in Miami, says he exceeded his $1,500 Cap One credit limit last Christmas by several hundred dollars and was late on payments in January and February. In March, he says, a Cap One representative offered him a second card, which he refused. Using the new card to catch up with his first, he suspects, "is what they wanted me do to."

    Some overextended Cap One customers admit using one card to pay another. In mid-2005, Kehn, the South Dakota truck-stop manager, already over the limit on three Cap One cards with $300 to $500 limits, received an offer from Cap One for another card with a $500 limit. He transferred part of the balances from the first three cards to get them under the credit limit. When his wife got a second card in early 2006 with a $1,500 cap, the couple took expensive cash advances on it to try to help make payments on the five other Cap One cards. "I robbed Peter to pay Paul," Kehn says.

    Christine Garcia, 41, of Orange, Calif., said she and her husband did the same when stretched with five Cap One cards between them. So did Bernice Thompson, 46, of Fort Smith, Ark., who, along with her husband, had seven Cap One cards. "We got caught in a circle, and couldn't get out," says Thompson.

    These examples bring into question Cap One's public stance on its subprime lending. Analysts, including Carl Neff, ratings director on card securitizations for Standard & Poor's, say Cap One tells investors that it carefully controls risk by giving such borrowers only small lines of credit. Indeed, the largest percentage of Cap One's 28 million credit-card accounts, 43%, have balances of $1,500 or less, according to its SEC filings. But if many borrowers had larger aggregate balances because they have multiple accounts, that percentage would be lower, and Cap One's "underwriting wouldn't appear as conservative as it looks," says the Financial Research Center's Puwalski.

    Like other big card companies, Cap One securitizes most of its card receivables as bonds, which are rated by credit agencies such as Standard & Poor's (S&P) is a unit of The McGraw-Hill Companies (MHP ), publisher of BusinessWeek). Cap One's ratings are strong, allowing it to command a higher price for the bonds. But Neff of S&P says he is surprised Cap One would offer riskier borrowers multiple, low-limit accounts given what it has told the market. "If it was a very prevalent practice, that would lower [Cap One's credit] quality in our eyes," Neff says. A sampling of credit counseling agencies across the country indicates that about a third of the troubled debtors they see with Cap One cards have two or more Cap One accounts.

    Ron Nesbitt, 37, a Macon (Ga.) truck driver, and his wife sought credit counseling last year. By the second half of 2004, Nesbitt says, the couple had become consistently late and over limit on six Cap One cards, generating $348 in fees alone each month. "It was out of control," he says.

    #2
    Thanks for sharing this link, BB. Most telling sentence for me was "...by generating so much revenue from late and over-limit fees, as well as interest, Cap One likely more than offsets for the risk of card holders filing for bankruptcy."

    Many of us here are living this reality. In our case, if all our credit card holders hadn't raised our APRs and kept piling on late fees over the last year before we filed, we would have held off filing for much longer giving them a much better return on their money from our perspective. But the truth is, the credit card lenders don't care because they are going to make money anyway no matter what we do - we're just tiny, insignificant drops of water in their financial ocean. No need to ask why creditors don't make deals that help us not to file either.

    Sad that all that matters these days is making large piles of money so shareholders get a good return on their investment and the lender shows a fabulous earnings quarter. Even if millions of peoples' lives are ruined as a result, that's become the accepted way of doing business in the credit industry. Today the very few lenders left that refuse to violate their own customers financially can't compete on an even playing field with those who do. The evil, damaging side of greed has escaped from Pandora's box and is thriving in our country. Frankly I don't believe we are going to be able to 're-box' it any time soon.
    I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice nor a statement of the law - only a lawyer can provide those.

    06/01/06 - Filed Ch 13
    06/28/06 - 341 Meeting
    07/18/06 - Confirmation Hearing - not confirmed, 3 objections
    10/05/06 - Hearing to resolve 2 trustee objections
    01/24/07 - Judge dismisses mortgage company objection
    09/27/07 - Confirmed at last!
    06/10/11 - Trustee confirms all payments made
    08/10/11 - DISCHARGED !

    10/02/11 - CASE CLOSED
    Countdown: 60 months paid, 0 months to go

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      #3
      Holy moly, they gave me several cards too. I had four Cap One cards with $500 limits, but I paid them off and closed them about three years ago.

      Later they did a $6K personal loan with me, which I paid off, and right now I have a $10K loan with them that I used to re-fi other debt.
      Filed C7: 04/25/2007
      341: 05/21/2007
      Last Day for Objections: 07/20/2007
      Discharged: 07/23/07 Closed: 07/26/07

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        #4
        Over the Limit Fees

        Originally posted by lrprn View Post
        Thanks for sharing this link, BB. Most telling sentence for me was "...by generating so much revenue from late and over-limit fees, as well as interest, Cap One likely more than offsets for the risk of card holders filing for bankruptcy."

        Many of us here are living this reality. In our case, if all our credit card holders hadn't raised our APRs and kept piling on late fees over the last year before we filed, we would have held off filing for much longer giving them a much better return on their money from our perspective. But the truth is, the credit card lenders don't care because they are going to make money anyway no matter what we do - we're just tiny, insignificant drops of water in their financial ocean. No need to ask why creditors don't make deals that help us not to file either.

        Sad that all that matters these days is making large piles of money so shareholders get a good return on their investment and the lender shows a fabulous earnings quarter. Even if millions of peoples' lives are ruined as a result, that's become the accepted way of doing business in the credit industry. Today the very few lenders left that refuse to violate their own customers financially can't compete on an even playing field with those who do. The evil, damaging side of greed has escaped from Pandora's box and is thriving in our country. Frankly I don't believe we are going to be able to 're-box' it any time soon.
        its no secret on how these credit cards are doing business these days.. why wait 10 years to collect on small interest, when they can ring you up on larger fees today such as over-draft, and over the limit fees... some people even act shocked when they have paid ontime on their credit card for 20 years, miss one payment then their 9.9% interest jumps to 29% - dont act surprise, its in your Terms and Conditions, which they modify on a regular basis'.... do people think just because they paid ontime for 20 years, does that make the banker your friend? HELL no, he dont care....he isnt even grateful that you paid ontime for 20 years, now that you are not paying ontime, he sees an opportunity for more $$$, he isnt your friend, nor does he give a rats ass about you in any way.... when you accpeted that CC 20 years ago, or today, you agreed to their terms...and my banker surely isnt my friend, I have tried over and over to get bank draft protection on my account, and since its all about credit checks, I can not get that protection, and I continue to roughly paid $300-$500 a month in various fees, and it adds up very, very quickly....and my banker knows this too, if he would give me over-draft protection, I would not be paying what I am paying now in over-draft...in fact, I think it maybe even a good time to start shopping around for a lessor known bank, maybe they will offer the protection i need.

        These fees and overdrafts have already been addressed on the news,
        these fees are 100% profit and reach in the billions...

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