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    The next meltdown: Credit cards?

    Card issuers are struggling to defuse a consumer-debt bomb that could blow an estimated $41 billion hole in their businesses this year -- and even more in 2009.

    The troubles sound familiar:

    Borrowers falling behind on their payments. Defaults rising. Huge swaths of loans souring. Investors getting burned.

    But forget the now-familiar tales of mortgages gone bad. The next horror for beaten-down financial companies is the $950 billion worth of outstanding credit card debt -- much of it toxic.

    That's bad news for players such as JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America that have largely sidestepped -- and even benefited from -- the mortgage mess but have major credit card operations. They're hardly alone. The consumer-debt bomb is already beginning to spray shrapnel throughout the financial markets, further weakening the U.S. economy.

    "The next meltdown will be in credit cards," says Gregory Larkin, a senior analyst at research firm Innovest Strategic Value Advisors.

    Adds William Black, the senior vice president of Moody's Investors Service's structured finance team: "We still haven't hit the post-recessionary peaks (in credit card losses), so things will get worse before they get better."

    What's more, the Treasury Department's $700 billion mortgage bailout won't be a lifeline for credit card issuers.

    The big companies say they're prepared for the storm. Early last year, JPMorgan started reaching out to troubled borrowers, setting up payment programs and making other adjustments to accounts.

    "We have seen higher credit card losses," acknowledges JPMorgan spokeswoman Tanya Madison. "We are concerned about (it) but believe we are taking the right steps to help our customers and manage our risk."
    How would raising interest rates help?

    Some banks and credit card companies may be exacerbating their problems. To boost profits and get ahead of coming regulation, they're increasing interest rates. But that's making it harder for consumers to keep up and will make tomorrow's pain worse.

    Innovest estimates that credit card issuers will take a $41 billion hit from rotten debt this year and a $96 billion blow in 2009.

    Those losses, in turn, will wend their way through the $365 billion market for securities backed by credit card debt. As with mortgages, banks bundle groups of so-called credit card receivables, essentially consumers' outstanding balances, and sell them to big investors such as hedge funds and pension funds. Big issuers offload roughly 70% of their credit card debt.

    But it's getting harder for banks to find buyers for that debt. Interest rates have been rising on credit card securities, a sign that investor appetite is waning. To help entice buyers, credit card companies are having to put up more money as collateral, a guarantee in case something goes wrong with the securities. Mortgage lenders, in sharp contrast, typically aren't asked to do this -- at least not yet. With consumers so shaky, now isn't a good time to put more skin in the game.

    "Costs will go up for issuers," warns Dennis Moroney of Tower Group, a consulting firm.

    Sure, the credit card market is just a fraction of the $11.9 trillion mortgage market. But sometimes the losses can be more painful. That's because most credit card debt is unsecured, meaning consumers don't have to make down payments when opening their accounts. If they stop making monthly payments and the account goes bad, there are no underlying assets for credit card companies to recoup.

    With mortgages, in contrast, some banks are protected both by down payments and by the ability to recover at least some of the money by selling the property.

    Bad credit factors into subprime equation

    Making matters worse, the subprime threat is also greater in credit card land. Risky borrowers with low credit scores account for roughly 30% of outstanding credit card debt, compared with 11% of mortgage debt. More than 45% of Washington Mutual's credit card portfolio is subprime, according to Innovest.

    That could become a headache for JPMorgan, which agreed on Sept. 25 to buy the troubled thrift's credit card business and other assets for $1.9 billion. Says a JPMorgan spokeswoman: "We are aware of the credit quality of (WaMu's) portfolios and will manage risk appropriately."

    Credit card losses are already taking a bite out of lenders' balance sheets. Bank of America, the nation's second-largest issuer behind JPMorgan, revealed on Oct. 6 that roughly $3 billion of its $184 billion credit card portfolio had soured, a 50% increase from a year ago. At the same time, the bank, which is also dealing with the broader financial tumult, said it would have to cut its dividend by 50% and raise $10 billion in fresh capital. The stock stumbled more than 25% the next day when investors largely scoffed at the new shares B of A was offering.

    Like 'Boiler Room'

    "The good news for us is that we have the strength to get through this, but the bad news is that the earnings recovery does take a while," says Bank of America spokesman Bob Stickler. "We are prudently adjusting our underwriting standards to adapt to changing economic conditions."

    Likewise, American Express, which caters to wealthier borrowers, upped its provisions for credit card losses from $810 million to $1.5 billion in the latest quarter, a sign that even upscale consumers are having trouble.

    "We have enhanced our credit models and continue to prudently manage our risk by scaling back some card acquisition efforts and reducing credit lines where appropriate," an American Express spokeswoman says.

    The industry's practices during the lending boom are coming back to haunt many credit card lenders. Cate Colombo, a former call center staffer at MBNA, a big issuer bought by Bank of America in 2005, says her job was to develop a rapport with credit card customers and advise them to use more of their available credit. Colleagues would often gather around her chair when she was on the phone with a consumer and chant: "Sell, sell."

    "It was like 'Boiler Room,'" says Colombo, referring to a 2000 movie about unscrupulous stockbrokers. "I knew that they would probably be in debt for the rest of their lives."

    Unless, of course, they default. Responds Bank of America spokeswoman Betty Riess: "The allegations do not reflect our practices. The bank has nothing to gain by extending credit to people who do not have the ability to pay us back."

    Regulators and politicians are trying to curb some of the industry's abusive practices by limiting interest rate increases, abolishing certain fees and cracking down on questionable billing practices. Under rules proposed by the Federal Reserve, a borrower would have a 21-day grace period before being hit with a late fee, instead of the few days offered by some companies now.

    A similar plan working its way through Congress would allow banks to increase rates only on consumers' future purchases -- not existing balances. And under both proposals, credit card companies would have to allocate account holders' payments equally to balances with different interest rates. Currently, companies first apply payments to the debt with the lowest rate, which means it takes longer and makes it costlier for consumers to pay off their debt.

    The Senate isn't expected to vote on the matter until early next year. The Fed's proposed rules, currently being reviewed by the industry, could take effect around that same time. But lenders seem to be preparing for the worst-case scenario: an outright ban on some practices.

    To get ahead of rules that would hamper their ability to re-price accounts, for example, many companies are jacking up interest rates. A survey of major issuers by advocacy group Consumer Action found that 37% of companies had raised rates across the board, even for borrowers with relatively pristine credit records. "In anticipation of a federal crackdown, card companies are scouring their portfolios and tightening credit," says Tower Group's Moroney.

    Even consumers like Michael Polemeni, who miss only a single payment, can find themselves in the crosshairs of credit card companies. The independent computer specialist relied heavily on his credit cards for child-support payments and business expenses. Polemeni generally made more than the minimum payment each month, carrying a balance of about $2,000. But in July he missed a payment, and Providian, owned by Washington Mutual, jacked up his rate from 9% to 30%. "I was shocked because I am a very good customer," say Polemeni, who paid off the full balance immediately. WaMu didn't return calls for comment.

    Not everyone will be able to pay down their debts like Polemeni. And that could make for a vicious cycle: As credit-card companies raise rates, more consumers fall behind on their payments, which then hurts the issuers. Says Innovest's Larkin, "We are going to see the banks massively hit."

    This article was reported and written by Jessica Silver-Greenberg for BusinessWeek.


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    Interesting, as I was reading this article I received a call from one of my credit card companies(don't know which one) saying that there is not a problem with my credit card. However, they would like to speak to me about an opportunity to lower my interest rate as low as 6.5%. LOL.. glad their is no problem since I have not paid since July. Well next week they'll get my official reply.

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      #3
      Fabulous article in our paper today about how the "Buy It Now" era is over and gave examples of people not knowing how to survive without credit cards. All their balances are run up now because of the economy (no cash - used the cards due to no cash) and they have no idea how to survive without the credit cards. Now that the credit card has been maxed out, they don't know what to do. Unfortunately, that is the way life has become for many people...utilizing credit to cover living costs and not knowing how to live without them. Many people are going to learn how bad credit cards can be as they are not cash.
      _________________________________________
      Filed 5 Year Chapter 13: April 2002
      Early Buy-Out: April 2006
      Discharge: August 2006

      "A credit card is a snake in your pocket"

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        #4
        Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
        Fabulous article in our paper today about how the "Buy It Now" era is over and gave examples of people not knowing how to survive without credit cards. All their balances are run up now because of the economy (no cash - used the cards due to no cash) and they have no idea how to survive without the credit cards. Now that the credit card has been maxed out, they don't know what to do. Unfortunately, that is the way life has become for many people...utilizing credit to cover living costs and not knowing how to live without them. Many people are going to learn how bad credit cards can be as they are not cash.
        Interesting observation - which also means that bankruptcies will rise.

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          #5
          BK's will surely rise. in addition, I believe there are many households who will not even bother with BK and stop paying. Some folks seem frightened by a 25% wage garnishment, but yet these same folks are paying 25% - 50% of income on unsecured debt. Once you go to a straight cash (or debit card only) personal economy, you see how much you really have in income. Many folks seem to have convinced themselves that their ability to obtain credit is more important than anything else in their lives. Paying unsecured creditors over housing/transportation/utilities/food/medical should be the last priority. Many on this forum, months ago, stated that the unsecured debt issue has yet to rear its ugly head. It appears that the time has come. I'm quite certain that we can expect little or no "bailout" for those financial institutions that have unsecured debt failures. They took the same risk as those they loaned the money to. In my opinion unsecured debt is all about risk.

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            #6
            When people who pay off their balances in full every month are called "deadbeats" by the CC industry, it's easy to see which consumers they are looking to squeeze and take advantage of.

            I've had my CC interest rates increased and/or limits reduced because they said I paid late on another issuers card. The increased rates began a domino effect to where these creditors will now get less than if they had just played nice.

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              #7
              I was in the trap myself in the early part of this decade. Funny how I lived for 30 years without a credit card. Got the first one and filed bankruptcy 7 years later. However now I'm okay, I don't get pizza every week, I don't get the newest game or toy anymore. But you know what it's okay, didn't need them anyway.

              In a way I think getting folks to move to a cash and carry policy is much better than all this hyped up debt. Such debt has led to every financial crisis the United States has suffered from the crash of the 1870s to the fall in the 1930s, to the .com bust, to the present crisis.

              If we fail to learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. If we don't learn our lesson this time and teach it sufficiently to rising generations in another 30-40 years we'll be right back here. (though the next one will be caused by the collapse of the entitlement programs I think and folks not having sufficient savings to take care of themselves in light of the loss of government programs).

              Heck I talked to my mom about an hour ago, she'd been trying to get ahold of me most of the day ( I have dial up at home and went to bed with it still connected). Dad's in the hospital. They aren't sure what happened, so I've been sitting down and figuring out how much I can send them, she didn't ask for money but I'm gonna send what I can to help.
              May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
              July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
              September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                Fabulous article in our paper today about how the "Buy It Now" era is over and gave examples of people not knowing how to survive without credit cards. All their balances are run up now because of the economy (no cash - used the cards due to no cash) and they have no idea how to survive without the credit cards. Now that the credit card has been maxed out, they don't know what to do. Unfortunately, that is the way life has become for many people...utilizing credit to cover living costs and not knowing how to live without them. Many people are going to learn how bad credit cards can be as they are not cash.
                Thank you BK Forum for teaching me this lesson before all this hit the fan. I think I got smart just under the wire.

                ep
                California Bankruptcy Central

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Doghouse View Post
                  When people who pay off their balances in full every month are called "deadbeats" by the CC industry, it's easy to see which consumers they are looking to squeeze and take advantage of.

                  I've had my CC interest rates increased and/or limits reduced because they said I paid late on another issuers card. The increased rates began a domino effect to where these creditors will now get less than if they had just played nice.

                  Yep. It just doesn't make sense. They ding you because of your business history with another entity when the business you have been doing with them has been stellar. They don't see how that helps to spiral things out of control to the point where you can't pay them either because everyone is doing this to you. It's a stupid business practice and it really should be illegal.


                  ep
                  California Bankruptcy Central

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by JRScott View Post
                    I was in the trap myself in the early part of this decade. Funny how I lived for 30 years without a credit card. Got the first one and filed bankruptcy 7 years later. However now I'm okay, I don't get pizza every week, I don't get the newest game or toy anymore. But you know what it's okay, didn't need them anyway.

                    In a way I think getting folks to move to a cash and carry policy is much better than all this hyped up debt. Such debt has led to every financial crisis the United States has suffered from the crash of the 1870s to the fall in the 1930s, to the .com bust, to the present crisis.

                    If we fail to learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. If we don't learn our lesson this time and teach it sufficiently to rising generations in another 30-40 years we'll be right back here. (though the next one will be caused by the collapse of the entitlement programs I think and folks not having sufficient savings to take care of themselves in light of the loss of government programs).

                    Heck I talked to my mom about an hour ago, she'd been trying to get ahold of me most of the day ( I have dial up at home and went to bed with it still connected). Dad's in the hospital. They aren't sure what happened, so I've been sitting down and figuring out how much I can send them, she didn't ask for money but I'm gonna send what I can to help.
                    Sorry to hear about your Dad, JR. Hope he's okay. You are a good son.

                    ep
                    California Bankruptcy Central

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by JRScott View Post
                      Heck I talked to my mom about an hour ago, she'd been trying to get ahold of me most of the day ( I have dial up at home and went to bed with it still connected). Dad's in the hospital. They aren't sure what happened, so I've been sitting down and figuring out how much I can send them, she didn't ask for money but I'm gonna send what I can to help.
                      JR, I hope all is OK with you and yours.

                      I too believe in teaching my teens on saving and then buying. I hope the foundation will serve them well.

                      I had thought we would be living with our own mistakes but the world is falling apart at the moment and it seems we aren't going to be alone.
                      Filed C7 Aug 31 2008
                      341 Oct 8 2008
                      Discharged Dec 9 2008

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                        #12
                        If one actually took the time to read all the information involved in obtaining a credit card (all the clauses and paragraphs on the agreement you sign when accepting the credit offer), you would not sign or you would absolutely ensure you pay any baliance off on or prior to the due date each month. All one has to do is read all that informatoin and you will see what the credit card company can and cannot do and when you sign you give that credit card company all sorts of rights and permissions. It's an eye opener and in today's credit-greedy market, it's easy to get into trouble and blame the credit card company when it was your fault to begin with. It's a hard lesson learned.
                        _________________________________________
                        Filed 5 Year Chapter 13: April 2002
                        Early Buy-Out: April 2006
                        Discharge: August 2006

                        "A credit card is a snake in your pocket"

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                          #13
                          I do blame these credit card companies for allowing this mess and for not helping people when help is needed. I had a $30k balance tranfer with PNC Bank at 3.9% and the payment was $450 a month and at $450 a month at 4.9% most of the payments was principle.

                          I made a payment and it was late 2 days. They then raised the interest rate to 29.9% and the payment doubled to over $800 a month. When called to get the rate down was basically told sorry you missed a payment and now you have to pay. If I was having a hard time making a $450 payment how was I going to now make a $800 payment.

                          This started the domino affect for me... Instead of being reasonable they are forcing people to end up in BK.

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                            #14
                            Thanks for the well wishes. I just spoke to my dad, he seems to be doing better. They are still running tests and he's still in the hospital but is eager to go home. Hopefully I'll know more later.

                            On the CC, my dad had a bankruptcy back in the 80s due to CC debt. He never really taught my brother and me to avoid them. (He also had one in the 70s due to gambling debt). He himself has learned from each. I don't remember him ever gambling was far to young back then. Their CC debt like most here was not spent on extravagant things, but rather on day to day expenses when his paycheck was a bit short. Since his bankruptcy on them he's not used them except in emergencies, just wish he'd taught me that .
                            May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
                            July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
                            September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by treehugger1 View Post
                              BK's will surely rise. in addition, I believe there are many households who will not even bother with BK and stop paying. Some folks seem frightened by a 25% wage garnishment, but yet these same folks are paying 25% - 50% of income on unsecured debt. Once you go to a straight cash (or debit card only) personal economy, you see how much you really have in income. Many folks seem to have convinced themselves that their ability to obtain credit is more important than anything else in their lives. Paying unsecured creditors over housing/transportation/utilities/food/medical should be the last priority. Many on this forum, months ago, stated that the unsecured debt issue has yet to rear its ugly head. It appears that the time has come. I'm quite certain that we can expect little or no "bailout" for those financial institutions that have unsecured debt failures. They took the same risk as those they loaned the money to. In my opinion unsecured debt is all about risk.
                              treehugger is point on. I was spend thrift with my credit cards. I used most of my credit on what I perceived as emergencies. Broken vehicle, furnace, Fuel for winter, fuel for vehicles. I did buy a new fridge. We were so frugal with our money when we were married. We took money we received from our wedding and bought tires for our SUV and paid off debt other debt
                              However, the little spending here and there got us. Then all of our credit cards interest rates were raised within 6 months of each other. This included mininum payments. Then with the health care costs ( I have insurance),It still cost 8-7K. I just had to tell my wife. That is IT.. We are filing for bankruptcy. I told her it's a snow ball effect and it's just about to start
                              Low and behold all the bailout stuff..It's about to get worse people.

                              What I did right. I set our house payment to automatically debit our account each month. My wife didn't like it.. I said.. why? We need a place to live.. It's a priority over credit cards or any other creditor. Sometimes our bank was over drafted because of this. However, the house payment was always paid . I must say I really like my bank( community bank)

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