Senate to Middle Class: Drop Dead ...a message from Michael Moore

[FLBK7]

Rehashing a comment by another poster, people from overseas are buying up property where they live. Therefore these people are probably good with their money and are clearly not making 50 cents a week as you state. To the contrary many of these people come from countries which have progressed with the times and moved into highly skilled fields, for example the Japanese.

Actually I didn't mean that the foreigners who are buying up our distressed real estate market live here. They live in their own countries and are scooping up our foreclosures en masses, as an investment.

Most countries make it very difficult for foreigners to buy property there unless they are citizens or legal residents. The USA couldn't care less who it sells to, or who ends up owning us.

[shabam]

People cannot raise a family on 14 bucks an hour, pay all the bills and insurance. Ohio is a very cheap place to live, I know this but it is still not enough to buy a house & make ends meet when you have more than one mouth to feed.

Why dont you try making it on that, then you will know.

Now this is where we butt heads. $14.50 per hour minimum for operating a machine is low pay? Okay lets assume I agree with you.

Who forced them to take this job? Who forced them to skip college or trade school? Did we force them to work for us rather than attempt to start their own business? How many classes or course has that person taken to improve their skills? to improve their circumstances. All I here is what can you give me.

Personally, I have to work smarter, show I am good at something, show that I am constantly delivering value to get a raise. I undergo quarterly reviews. I don't just go to the boss with my work colleges and demand he pay me more otherwise I will strike.

[FLBK7]

The elitists from overseas are also buying up the USA land because the USA is broke.

Bingo. And the scariest part is that no one seems to give a damn.

[Bandit]

Actually I didn't mean that the foreigners who are buying up our distressed real estate market live here. They live in their own countries and are scooping up our foreclosures en masses, as an investment.

Most countries make it very difficult for foreigners to buy property there unless they are citizens or legal residents. The USA couldn't care less who it sells to, or who ends up owning us.

It is a sad day, but it is true. We dont have much of a 'country' ethic any more. iT is so clear that global politicans & elitists are controlling everything today & they can do it right from their own country.
That is why I wonder if they let the housing industry get out of control on purpose taking advantage of all those liar loans & let it crash on purpose to disolve the middle class, exactly why they wont bail out the middle class forcing them to take cheap labor & lose what they have.

[Bandit]

Bingo. And the scariest part is that no one seems to give a damn.

It is wierd aint it? Like everyone is either sleeping or has been seriously decieved. Maybe both.

[shabam]

it is starting in China.

We are so headed toward communism it aint even funny. It is going to have smack you on the head then you will know.

the people down south do not make that much money. I know this for a fact & they are worked like dogs in factories.

So where are they going to manufacture goods then? lol

You are right. They make a realistic wage for a days work. People working in other fields in the south are making great money in states like Texas, Georgia, Virginia and North Carolina. The houses in our area are still averaging $380,000.

[shabam]

Bingo. And the scariest part is that no one seems to give a damn.

Anyone with a semester in economics would understand why this is extremely important for America.

[shabam]

They must be paying you well.

I question everything. Then again, I would not sell out to the politics & dog eat dog lies in todays markets & work places.

Sell out? Question?

A person on a production line is paid to do a job and not to give their opinion. When I ask an employee to do a task I expect them to do it. I am not interested in what they think about it. All of the ex-union guys we hired from Ohio just wanted to argue rather than do the work. One guy was there for 5 weeks and demanded a pay rise. Said he needed the money. Bla bla bla. Ironically he had the lowest output. Even lower than the new guys. Once again, this clearly shows me what ex-union people like him are used to up there. He was fired the following week.

[Bandit]

Now this is where we butt heads. $14.50 per hour minimum for operating a machine is low pay? Okay lets assume I agree with you.

Who forced them to take this job? Who forced them to skip college or trade school? Did we force them to work for us rather than attempt to start their own business? How many classes or course has that person taken to improve their skills? to improve their circumstances. All I here is what can you give me.

Personally, I have to work smarter, show I am good at something, show that I am constantly delivering value to get a raise. I undergo quarterly reviews. I don't just go to the boss with my work colleges and demand he pay me more otherwise I will strike.

You are doing the backstroke now.

You do not need a college education to do most of these jobs including the ones that you say you need a college degree. That is not the point, The point is you want everyone to sweat their ass off & get nowhere doing it. Then you say they were not forced to do it. They take it because that is all there is. Not because they cant do better.

and Where would you be without them???

I was making more than 14.50 an hour over 20 years ago with mega benefits. All these improved jobs you keep talking about are also falling to the curb. Do you not even know what is happening in the US at all?

I know so many people who have lost their jobs in this economy making 60 to 100,000 a year and they cant even get high school jobs right now because they are over qualified.

[Bandit]

Sell out? Question?

A person on a production line is paid to do a job and not to give their opinion. When I ask en employee to do a task I expect them to do it. I am not interested in what they think about it. All of the ex-union guys we hired from Ohio just wanted to argue rather than do the work. One guy was there for 5 weeks and demanded a pay rise. Said he needed the money. Bla bla bla. Ironically he had the lowest output. Even lower than the new guys. Once again, this clearly shows me what ex-union people like him are used to up there. He was fired the following week.

Exactly. Communism sweat shops. Work your ass off but dont say a word or ever complain or you will get the whip on your back.

He may not have been due a raise, that does not mean he cant ask. He is better off being fired. That way he can hopefully find something better & get the pay he needs to survive.

[Bandit]

Anyone with a semester in economics would understand why this is extremely important for America.

i took more than a semester and economics is not what is happening right now. Politics & complete control over the people is what is happening choking this nation to death while trying to silence the working class.

[shabam]

You are doing the backstroke now.

You do not need a college education to do most of these jobs including the ones that you say you need a college degree. That is not the point, The point is you want everyone to sweat their ass off & get nowhere doing it. Then you say they were not forced to do it. They take it because that is all there is. Not because they cant do better.

and Where would you be without them???

I was making more than 14.50 an hour over 20 years ago with mega benefits. All these improved jobs you keep talking about are also falling to the curb. Do you not even know what is happening in the US at all?

I know so many people who have lost their jobs in this economy making 60 to 100,000 a year and they cant even get high school jobs right now because they are over qualified.

That is their choice. Why should everyone else be punished if I decided to slack off at high school and end up doing manual labor? Just like saying we should pay a checkout clerk $20 an hour because they need to make a living.

The $14.50 20 years ago goes back to the reason why Detroit is now bankrupt.

With regards to your third point, you clearly have a problem with change unless it benefits yourself. 20 years ago when the consumer was being ripped off having to pay more for a product because of these ridiculously high salaries, I am sure you did not complain. Now that the consumer has the power to choose, you are angry. Once again it comes down to their choice.

[shabam]

i took more than a semester and economics is not what is happening right now. Politics & complete control over the people is what is happening choking this nation to death while trying to silence the working class.

Or is it that some people were previously used to kicking back and getting paid for doing nothing and are now angry that they cannot do this any longer.

[Bandit]

That is their choice. Why should everyone else be punished if I decided to slack off at high school and end up doing manual labor? Just like saying we should pay a checkout clerk $20 an hour because they need to make a living.

The $14.50 20 years ago goes back to the reason why Detroit is now bankrupt.

With regards to your third point, you clearly have a problem with change unless it benefits yourself. As you said, 20 years ago when the consumer was being ripped off having to pay more for a product because of these ridiculously high salaries, I am sure you did not complain. Now that the consumer has the power to choose, you are angry. Once again it comes down to their choice.

I just dont get why you exalt yourself so high above everyone else.

I was making that much in florida, not detroit.
It has nothing to do with change. You run sweat shops & people will always rebel when you do that.

So do you like change when it does not benefit you??? Of course not so you are no different.

It has nothing to do with people slacking off at high school. It has to do with there being no other jobs because that is the direction government chose to take this. So no, we dont have all these choices you keep saying we have.

You do not have to worry about paying cahsiers. those jobs are also being phased out & you can bet many many more computer sit down & bankers hours jobs will also be phased out. Leaving nothing more than sweat shops.

[Bandit]

Or is it that some people were previously used to kicking back and getting paid for doing nothing and are now angry that they cannot do this any longer.

You mean like the elitists & politicians who do nothing but serve themselves.