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    Senate to Middle Class: Drop Dead ...a message from Michael Moore

    Senate to Middle Class: Drop Dead ...a message from Michael Moore
    I was born in Flint, Michigan and raised on a dirt street by loving parents, two sisters and a lot of Green Giant in a can. Click to read Michael Moore, a Substack publication with hundreds of thousands of subscribers.


    Friends,

    They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers start building only cars and mass transit that reduce our dependency on oil.

    They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers build cars that reduce global warming.

    They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers withdraw their many lawsuits against state governments in their attempts to not comply with our environmental laws.

    They could have given the loan on the condition that the management team which drove these once-great manufacturers into the ground resign and be replaced with a team who understands the transportation needs of the 21st century.

    Yes, they could have given the loan for any of these reasons because, in the end, to lose our manufacturing infrastructure and throw 3 million people out of work would be a catastrophe.

    But instead, the Senate said, we'll give you the loan only if the factory workers take a $20 an hour cut in wages, pension and health care. That's right. After giving BILLIONS to Wall Street hucksters and criminal investment bankers -- billions with no strings attached and, as we have since learned, no oversight whatsoever -- the Senate decided it is more important to break a union, more important to throw middle class wage earners into the ranks of the working poor than to prevent the total collapse of industrial America.

    We have a little more than a month to go of this madness. As I sit here in Michigan today, tens of thousands of hard working, honest, decent Americans do not believe they can make it to January 20th. The malaise here is astounding. Why must they suffer because of the mistakes of every CEO from Roger Smith to Rick Wagoner? Make management and the boards of directors and the shareholders pay for this.

    Of course that is heresy to the 31 Republicans who decided to blame the poor, miserable autoworkers for this mess. And our wonderful media complied with their spin on the morning news shows: "UAW Refuses to Give Concessions Killing Auto Bailout Bill." In fact the UAW has given concession after concession, reduced their benefits, agreed to get rid of the Jobs Bank and agreed to make it harder for their retirees to live from week to week. Yes! That's what we need to do! It's the Jobs Bank and the old people who have led the nation to economic ruin!

    But even doing all that wasn't enough to satisfy the bastard Republicans. These Senate vampires wanted blood. Blue collar blood. You see, they weren't opposed to the bailout because they believed in the free market or capitalism. No, they were opposed to the bailout because they're opposed to workers making a decent wage. In their rage, they were driven to destroy the backbone of this country, not because the UAW hadn't given back enough, but because the UAW hadn't given up.

    It appears that the sitting President has been looking for a way to end his reign by one magnanimous act, just like a warlord on his feast day. He will put his finger in the dyke, and the fragile mess of an auto industry will eke through the next few months.

    That will give the Senate enough time to demand that the bankers and investment sharks who've already swiped nearly half of the $700 billion gift a chance to make the offer of cutting their pay.

    Fat chance.

    Yours,
    Michael Moore

    #2
    No, they were opposed to the bailout because they're opposed to workers making a decent wage.
    Exactly what is happening. You should be making less than what people made in 1975. That is what 'fair' trade has accomplished.

    The warlord has screwed the globe over for 8 years. Screwing over 3 more million people is a wink of his eye.

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      #3
      Da rich choke da hell of da poor!

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        #4
        Michael Moore is such a joke!
        Global warming lol . Dont know what the weather is like else where but could use some of that!
        I'm a truck driver and there will be no electric semis in mine or my childrens lifetime. Besides poor michael moores so much for the poor guy but how does he figure the poor people are gonna buy all those electric cars, are you kidding me LMAO! I bet him and the bigger farse Al "Global Warming" Gore are not driving an electric car anywhere anytime soon! What a pair of jokes! These ever tightening Global warming farse regulations are whats got the automakers over a barrel right now....that and the unions!
        Please just consider the source of this story lol1
        With that being said they should not have given wallstreet the bailout that they did I do agree on that!

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          #5
          Originally posted by On The Brink View Post
          Michael Moore is such a joke!
          Global warming lol . Dont know what the weather is like else where but could use some of that!
          I'm a truck driver and there will be no electric semis in mine or my childrens lifetime. Besides poor michael moores so much for the poor guy but how does he figure the poor people are gonna buy all those electric cars, are you kidding me LMAO! I bet him and the bigger farse Al "Global Warming" Gore are not driving an electric car anywhere anytime soon! What a pair of jokes! These ever tightening Global warming farse regulations are whats got the automakers over a barrel right now....that and the unions!
          Please just consider the source of this story lol1
          With that being said they should not have given wallstreet the bailout that they did I do agree on that!
          He can definately get off his rocker but he is on track with this one.

          Most people that I know have accepted the fact the humans are destroying the earth and if global warming does turn out to be true, which both science & weather seem to agree on, it wont be a joke.

          I just went round & round with the unions and you can try to blame it all on the union people, it remains the wealthy are bailed out time & time again, while the middle class are being pushed out.

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            #6
            Originally posted by BankruptPinoy View Post
            Senate to Middle Class: Drop Dead ...a message from Michael Moore
            I was born in Flint, Michigan and raised on a dirt street by loving parents, two sisters and a lot of Green Giant in a can. Click to read Michael Moore, a Substack publication with hundreds of thousands of subscribers.

            It seems that MM has not even read the draft/proposal...
            Originally posted by BankruptPinoy View Post
            Friends,

            They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers start building only cars and mass transit that reduce our dependency on oil.
            Originally posted by BankruptPinoy View Post
            They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers build cars that reduce global warming.

            They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers withdraw their many lawsuits against state governments in their attempts to not comply with our environmental laws.
            Originally posted by BankruptPinoy View Post
            They could have given the loan on the condition that the management team which drove these once-great manufacturers into the ground resign and be replaced with a team who understands the transportation needs of the 21st century.
            >>>So, does MM know of any "teams" available? Does he have the faintest clue how long it would be to change management in such a way? The selection process?? Previous employment?? Understanding of automaker production and management efficency??<<<<


            Originally posted by BankruptPinoy View Post
            Yes, they could have given the loan for any of these reasons because, in the end, to lose our manufacturing infrastructure and throw 3 million people out of work would be a catastrophe.

            But instead, the Senate said, we'll give you the loan only if the factory workers take a $20 an hour cut in wages, pension and health care. That's right. After giving BILLIONS to Wall Street hucksters and criminal investment bankers -- billions with no strings attached and, as we have since learned, no oversight whatsoever -- the Senate decided it is more important to break a union, more important to throw middle class wage earners into the ranks of the working poor than to prevent the total collapse of industrial America.

            We have a little more than a month to go of this madness. As I sit here in Michigan today, tens of thousands of hard working, honest, decent Americans do not believe they can make it to January 20th. The malaise here is astounding. Why must they suffer because of the mistakes of every CEO from Roger Smith to Rick Wagoner? Make management and the boards of directors and the shareholders pay for this.
            [/QUOTE]

            Originally posted by BankruptPinoy View Post
            Of course that is heresy to the 31 Republicans who decided to blame the poor, miserable autoworkers for this mess. And our wonderful media complied with their spin on the morning news shows: "UAW Refuses to Give Concessions Killing Auto Bailout Bill." In fact the UAW has given concession after concession, reduced their benefits, agreed to get rid of the Jobs Bank and agreed to make it harder for their retirees to live from week to week. Yes! That's what we need to do! It's the Jobs Bank and the old people who have led the nation to economic ruin!
            Originally posted by BankruptPinoy View Post
            But even doing all that wasn't enough to satisfy the bastard Republicans. These Senate vampires wanted blood. Blue collar blood. You see, they weren't opposed to the bailout because they believed in the free market or capitalism. No, they were opposed to the bailout because they're opposed to workers making a decent wage. In their rage, they were driven to destroy the backbone of this country, not because the UAW hadn't given back enough, but because the UAW hadn't given up.

            It appears that the sitting President has been looking for a way to end his reign by one magnanimous act, just like a warlord on his feast day. He will put his finger in the dyke, and the fragile mess of an auto industry will eke through the next few months.

            That will give the Senate enough time to demand that the bankers and investment sharks who've already swiped nearly half of the $700 billion gift a chance to make the offer of cutting their pay.

            Fat chance.

            Yours,
            Michael Moore
            Frankly, the main line I'm getting (Not slapping MM anymore as I've basically done enough on him) is that this will NOT STOP THE COLLAPSE. They want 14 billion now, does ANYONE think for one moment, things will change in 90 days, let alone 1 YEAR??

            This will be a domestic Iraq. But without the bullets and such, there still will be casulties on all sides. Yes, blood too.

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              #7
              All I'll say is that I used to respect Michael Moore because I thought his story was good.

              Now, I feel sorry for him. He's lost my respect. As just posted, most of his claims, this time are "unsubstantiated" by the facts.

              The article actually started pretty good, until he started laying all the blame at the feet of the Republicans.

              I'm tired.
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                #8
                Listen dont believe Michael Moore, he doesn't have a clue about most things such as that movie he made where he compared our health care system to Cuba's where in the report he got our health care rating from we were ranked better than Cuba.....

                The Senate didn't go for this because the vast majority of Americans didn't want it. Those who voted for it were beholden to the UAW due to campaign contributions or owned stock in the Big Three (Like Senator Dole of NC....though of course she didn't win reelection.....).

                In truth 14 billion wouldn't save the Big Three. 50 Billion wouldn't save them

                The only thing that can save them is a chapter 11 restructuring because they need to be able to renegotiate their labor contracts and debt. Without that any money you throw at them is wasted. They have to large a debt burden. They have steadily sold fewer cars over the last 20 years. Their projections to congress in fact not only ignored the trend of the last 20 years but posted an overly optimistic projection that they can never obtain.

                If they were to file Chapter 11s, I do believe a gov't sponsored DIP loan would be appropriate.
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                July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by JRScott View Post
                  Listen dont believe Michael Moore, he doesn't have a clue about most things such as that movie he made where he compared our health care system to Cuba's where in the report he got our health care rating from we were ranked better than Cuba.....

                  The Senate didn't go for this because the vast majority of Americans didn't want it. Those who voted for it were beholden to the UAW due to campaign contributions or owned stock in the Big Three (Like Senator Dole of NC....though of course she didn't win reelection.....).

                  In truth 14 billion wouldn't save the Big Three. 50 Billion wouldn't save them

                  The only thing that can save them is a chapter 11 restructuring because they need to be able to renegotiate their labor contracts and debt. Without that any money you throw at them is wasted. They have to large a debt burden. They have steadily sold fewer cars over the last 20 years. Their projections to congress in fact not only ignored the trend of the last 20 years but posted an overly optimistic projection that they can never obtain.

                  If they were to file Chapter 11s, I do believe a gov't sponsored DIP loan would be appropriate.

                  That is is true, but he is right about this. Big government does not want the working class americans making any money & if it means getting rid of american products, they will do it & then bring it later back to pay cheap labor.

                  Good to see you again, JRScott.

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                    #10
                    Rest assured, once government does their dirty deed of finally disolving GM, which I feel they have wanted for three decades with their fingers all over it, thus you get more cheap labor (that wont stimulate the economy) for the wealthy foreigners to hire americans for nothing. Then unemployment is going to an all time high. You just might be lucky if you get a less than minimum wage job after all those millions who are connected to GM are brought down with it.

                    Depression is going to suck the working class high & dry
                    We are on the reverse cycle & completion of unfair trade & now americans will lose to get a taste of what cheap laborers overseas go thru with no power to demand a fair working wage.
                    Oh yah! we are headed down the right path, uncle sam.

                    You dont need reagan, sbush or moore to see all of that, you just have to be honest.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Bandit View Post
                      Rest assured, once government does their dirty deed of finally disolving GM, which I feel they have wanted for three decades with their fingers all over it, thus you get more cheap labor (that wont stimulate the economy) for the wealthy foreigners to hire americans for nothing. Then unemployment is going to an all time high. You just might be lucky if you get a less than minimum wage job after all those millions who are connected to GM are brought down with it.

                      Depression is going to suck the working class high & dry
                      We are on the reverse cycle & completion of unfair trade & now americans will lose to get a taste of what cheap laborers overseas go thru with no power to demand a fair working wage.
                      Oh yah! we are headed down the right path, uncle sam.

                      You dont need reagan, sbush or moore to see all of that, you just have to be honest.


                      Sounds like we USA will become a future working/slavery island for the foreigners' new colony/economy .... just on a grand scale!?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by BKOnce View Post
                        Sounds like we USA will become a future working/slavery island for the foreigners' new colony/economy .... just on a grand scale!?

                        You got it. That is what Rome has always been about.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by BKOnce View Post
                          Sounds like we USA will become a future working/slavery island for the foreigners' new colony/economy .... just on a grand scale!?
                          Do you know just who is buying foreclosed properties en masse down here in South Florida? Foreigners. Not the illegal alien type, but those who reside abroad in their home country and are gleefully picking up what our working class (and some of our upper class too!) can no longer afford.

                          This is not what our Founding Fathers had in mind.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by FLBK7 View Post
                            Do you know just who is buying foreclosed properties en masse down here in South Florida? Foreigners. Not the illegal alien type, but those who reside abroad in their home country and are gleefully picking up what our working class (and some of our upper class too!) can no longer afford.

                            This is not what our Founding Fathers had in mind.
                            This reminds me of the time (About 4-7 years ago). A bunch (Read 1,000 people) were given notice to vacate the houses they were renting in CA from the owner of the homes.

                            They could buy them if they so wished, but if not, then move. The reason? The owner (Japanese) had received an offer to sell which he described as "Once in a lifetime opportunity"

                            I was wondering if they were to be re-rented, why not let those who were in them, keep renting? Made little sense why to shove them out...

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bandit View Post
                              Rest assured, once government does their dirty deed of finally disolving GM, which I feel they have wanted for three decades with their fingers all over it, thus you get more cheap labor (that wont stimulate the economy) for the wealthy foreigners to hire americans for nothing. Then unemployment is going to an all time high. You just might be lucky if you get a less than minimum wage job after all those millions who are connected to GM are brought down with it.

                              Depression is going to suck the working class high & dry
                              We are on the reverse cycle & completion of unfair trade & now americans will lose to get a taste of what cheap laborers overseas go thru with no power to demand a fair working wage.
                              Oh yah! we are headed down the right path, uncle sam.

                              You dont need reagan, sbush or moore to see all of that, you just have to be honest.
                              While the unions do serve a purpose sometimes, the UAW has overreached. IF they are really interested in saving the jobs longterm they should have agreed to the Corker plan and made pay and benefit concessions in 2009. Without them they will not be viable. To me its better to know you'll have a job for the next ten years at even say 1/2 x instead of having no job in 6 months at x pay.

                              Because if we bail them out without the necessary concessions that's where we'll be in 6 months or less, they'll need more money or they'll have to file then. Under their current business model with realistic sales projections following the trends of the last 30 years they can never dig themselves out without major restructuring.
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                              July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
                              September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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