Senate to Middle Class: Drop Dead ...a message from Michael Moore

[shabam]

I just dont get why you exalt yourself so high above everyone else.

I was making that much in florida, not detroit.
It has nothing to do with change. You run sweat shops & people will always rebel when you do that.

So do you like change when it does not benefit you??? Of course not so you are no different.

It has nothing to do with people slacking off at high school. It has to do with there being no other jobs because that is the direction government chose to take this. So no, we dont have all these choices you keep saying we have.

You do not have to worry about paying cahsiers. those jobs are also being phased out & you can bet many many more computer sit down & bankers hours jobs will also be phased out. Leaving nothing more than sweat shops.

Well why don't you start a company and pay people whatever wage you like? This way you can also ensure you make the rules rather than some elitist. Yet I am sure like every union out there, you would rather tell others how to run theirs and call anyone successful who is not your cousin (lol) Mr Potters.

I am used to change, I grew up with it. If my company fails I look for work elsewhere. If they pay me poorly I look for work elsewhere. If my state is dying I move rather than pretend it's like that everywhere else and the governments fault.

[Bandit]

Well why don't you start a company and pay people whatever wage you like? I am sure like every union out there, you would rather tell others how to run theirs and call people Mr Potters.

ok. i know you hate hate hate unions. oyu hate em so much they could just all die.

I dont care how you run yours, but rest assured when you take advantage of people and they are going to revolt.

[shabam]

Classic Union Philosophy: Always blame someone else, always.

[shabam]

ok. i know you hate hate hate unions. oyu hate em so much they could just all die.

I dont care how you run yours, but rest assured when you take advantage of people and they are going to revolt.

Nah, we are just happy to have a job. I am still waiting on why you or your unions do not start a company yourselves and pay the workers minimum $50 an hour or whatever else you like.

Revolt all you like, we'll just move all of the plants overseas. This is not the 30's pal. Thanks to technology you have no leverage.

[Bandit]

I am used to change, I grew up with it. If my company fails I look for work elsewhere. If they pay me poorly I look for work elsewhere. If my state is dying I move rather than pretend it's like that everywhere else and the governments fault.

what is happening right now IS governments fault & they know it & they also dont seem to have any answer for it.

not everyone has to do what you do & not everyone is going to be blinded by crooked governments on this planet. i dont know your state but if it is in the south they aren't making that great of wages. those are low wage states. is that why you are so upset that other states that pay more?

you dont like it when someone pays you poorly but it is ok for you to pay them poorly. why do you have so many double standards?

[shabam]

what is happening right now IS governments fault & they know it & they also dont seem to have any answer for it.

not everyone has to do what you do & not everyone is going to be blinded by crooked governments on this planet. i dont know your state but if it is in the south they aren't making that great of wages. those are low wage states. is that why you are so upset that other states that pay more?

you dont like it when someone pays you poorly but it is ok for you to pay them poorly. why do you have so many double standards?

Since you studied multiple semesters in economics, what would you propose they change or do?

[Bandit]

Nah, we are just happy to have a job. I am still waiting on why you or your unions do not operate a company (yourselves) and pay the workers minimum $50 an hour or whatever else you like.

Revolt all you like, we'll just move all of the plants overseas. This is not the 30's pal. Thanks to technology you have no leverage anymore.

I DONT CARE ABOUT UNIONS. that is your issue that bothers you.

We know they will move all the plants overseas & to the south and pay them communism sweat shop wages. we have already been through that phase.

technology means no leverage -Then do expect it to backfire on your leverage as well.

[Bandit]

Since you studied multiple semesters in economics, what would you propose they change or do?

The elitists & politicians need leave the working middle class alone & stop trying to kill them all off with unfair trade and unfair competition.

[shabam]

I DONT CARE ABOUT UNIONS. that is your issue that bothers you.

We know they will move all the plants overseas & to the south and pay them communism sweat shop wages. we have already been through that phase.

technology means no leverage -Then do expect it to backfire on your leverage as well.

For someone who is fluent in economics you do not seem to understand supply and demand well. Ultimately the consumer decides what they would like to pay and refuses to pay for exuberant non-performance based union stipulated salaries. Which is why Walmart is so successful.

[shabam]

The elitists & politicians need leave the working middle class alone & stop trying to kill them all off with unfair trade and unfair competition.

So what do you propose the government does to rectify this?

Mr Customer, as you like labels, is deciding to buy something an realizes they can get the foreign made good for half the price. Which do you think they will choose?

If a Plasma TV was made in the Midwest based on the types of the salaries you suggest, it would cost someone $6,000. Whereas the same TV from China costs $2,000. Which would you choose?

Once again, you assume that everyone is being paid poorly. In reality you contradict yourself because if you read up on some of your bud Cali's posts, you will notice there are lots of people out there earning $300K+. Including the athletes you watch on TV where some are earning up to $20 million. I am sure you don't have a problem with someone running on a field for a few hours earning that but want to burn an executive at the stake who employs thousands of people yet earns a few hundred thousand.

[Bandit]

For someone who is fluent in economics you do not seem to understand supply and demand well. Ultimately the consumer decides what they would like to pay and refuses to pay for exuberant non-performance based union stipulated salaries. Which is why Walmart is so successful.

Because Walmart pays their employees cheap labor selling cheap china products by cheap laborers & the wealthy keep all the cream for themselves as that may be the only place to shop one day when you want junk.

I understand economics very well. What you don't get is when politics is factored into econimics, the supply & demand text book goes out the window.

You want the new definition for supply & demand in the oil market?
Cheney & Bush are OUT!

[FLBK7]

Anyone with a semester in economics would understand why this is extremely important for America.

Umm... My degrees are in Business. I am 60 years old and I have never had a unionized job, for whatever it's worth. Not that it really matters, but you seem to have a totally closed mind and hatred against unions, period. Perhaps you are one of those who advocated the unregulated capitalism that has led us to the mess we're currently in.

It is NOT okay for other countries to buy us up. You may be thinking of the immediate, but superficial, relief to our economy. But failure to see the long-term effect of losing our country to foreigners (more than we have already!) is total greed born out of sheer ignorance.

Have a very Merry Christmas. Or Hannukah. Or whatever it is you believe in.

[shabam]

Because Walmart pays their employees cheap labor selling cheap china products by cheap laborers & the wealthy keep all the cream for themselves as that may be the only place to shop one day when you want junk.

I understand economics very well. What you don't get is when politics is factored into econimics, the supply & demand text book goes out the window.

You still fail to grasp that the average middle class consumer does not care where a product is made. Yes, that very same consumer you say elitist and the government are apparently screwing over. Most of Walmarts customers are middle class and the poor. I am sure Walmarts are a huge part of the Midwest. Maybe the unions can start up their own retail store. Crap, that goes back to having to work and take some responsibility for one's self rather than complain and use extortion to get your way.

You want the new definition for supply & demand in the oil market?
Cheney & Bush are OUT!

What does that even mean?

[Bandit]

So what do you propose the government does to rectify this?

Mr Customer, as you like labels, is deciding to buy something an realizes they can get the foreign made good for half the price. Which do you think they will choose?

If a Plasma TV was made in the Midwest based on the types of the salaries you suggest, it would cost someone $6,000. Whereas the same TV from China costs $2,000. Which would you choose?

Once again, you assume that everyone is being paid poorly. In reality you contradict yourself because if you read up on some of your bud Cali's posts, you will notice there are lots of people out there earning $300K+. Including the athletes you watch on TV where some are earning up to $20 million. I am sure you don't have a problem with someone running on a field for a few hours earning that but want to burn an executive at the stake who employs thousands of people yet earns a few hundred thousand.

I would buy a TV from japan but not china. so what.

you are right back to making cheapo products for cheapo labor.
why do you only want to make cheap products with cheap labor?

Athletes dont have those jobs for very long before they are replaced & then most of them die off & a few go down as heroes. nothing wrong with that because they risk injuries & entertain a lot of people. they should be paid well.

but, Those people are going to feel it too because people wont be going down to buy their tickets with that cheap communist sweat shop labor you pay.

When you pay the consumer cheap labor, you can bet they wont be buying the cheap stuff they make just to keep up with those wealthy who run the junky made products.

[Bandit]

You still fail to grasp that the average middle class consumer does not care where a product is made. Yes, that very same consumer you say elitist and the government are apparently screwing over. Most of Walmarts customers are middle class and the poor. I am sure Walmarts are a huge part of the Midwest. Maybe the unions can start up their own retail store. Crap, that goes back to having to work and take some responsibility for one's self rather than complain and use extortion to get your way.

That is because they do not know what is really happening yet. When everyone figures out why they dont have those great jobs any more, they will then be very angry for not caring & buying cheap products with cheap communist wages. I hate walmart because the people who go there always look like they are mezzzzzzmerized by cheap shiny plastic.

That does not mean that people who go there are not good people.

What does that even mean?

I was sure you would ask that.