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    12 of 13 W. Va. Miners Confirmed Dead
    By JENNIFER C. YATES, Associated Press Writer

    TALLMANSVILLE, W.Va. - In a stunning and heartbreaking reversal, family members were told early Wednesday that 12 of 13 trapped coal miners found were dead _ three hours after they began celebrating news that they were alive.

    The devastating new information shocked and angered family members, who had rejoiced with Gov. Joe Manchin hours earlier when a rumor began to spread that 12 miners were alive. Rescue crews found the first victim earlier Tuesday evening.

    "They knew the odds that were against us, and with that, to have the ending as it did with this high euphoria, I can only say there was no one who did anything intentionally other than risk their lives to save their loved ones," Manchin told ABC's "Good Morning America."

    The sole survivor of the disaster, identified by mining officials as 27-year-old Randal McCloy, was hospitalized in critical condition early Wednesday, a doctor said. When he arrived, he was unconscious but moaning, the hospital said.

    Charles Green, McCloy's father-in-law, told ABC that McCloy was suffering from hypothermia and was on a ventilator, but didn't suffer any broken bones. There was no carbon monoxide in his body, he said, despite concerns about high levels of carbon monoxide inside the mine.

    When he found out his son-in law was the only survivor, "I was still devastated," he said. "My whole family's heart goes out to them other families."

    Sad, so very sad....

    #2
    Very tragic.

    My sister in law is friends with one of the families that was in the PA mine incident a couple of years ago. That one was fortunate to have a much better ending.
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      #3
      Yes, its a sad time for all those people..... To think their loved ones are okay.... then be told NO - they didn't make it!!! How heartbreaking is that!!!

      We have miner's families here in my town.... many of their relatives still work in the mines in eastern KY.... Been a long time since they had a mine collaspe, but it can happen any time.....

      I know a guy that goes down in the mines on Monday morning and nobody see's him again until Friday nite..... He told me it was more dangerous out here on the street than it is in those mines..... He's been doing it about 25 years now....

      My heart goes out too those family members who lost loved ones..... all they were trying to do was make a living for their families.... shame....
      Minny

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        #4
        I was heartbroken to hear the news this morning... when I went to sleep, I had hope that since the other 12 weren't near the body they found that they were alive and had escaped to another part of the mine.

        I really thought I would wake up to good news...

        Hopefully in their final hour the 12 were able to make mends with their beliefs and faith, and were brave.

        I still am holding on that the sole survivor will wake up and be able to recount what happend, so the other families can have some sense of closure on the happenings of their loved ones final hours.... if it were my family member, I would want to know what mindframe they had... for me, when my grandmother passed away it gave me great strength to know that she was ready to be with my grandfather again...

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          #5
          Hope you were talking about your grandmother...

          The day my mom passed away (78 and bedridden 4 years from 2 strokes) that afternoon she was talking about "this is no way to live"..... said she was ready to die and why was God punishing her? She told her sitter goodbye that morning (said I won't be here Monday - I found this out later).

          I talked to her, told her if she wanted to leave this world then she needed to talk to her Maker - only He could make that decision for her. Evidently she did - she died that evening around 9 pm.....

          Many people asked why I did not let the parametics zap her back.... Well, she had papers saying NO - and if I had - SHE WOULD HAVE NEVER FORGIVEN ME TO DOING IT....

          It made it a lot easier to "let her go" - knowing that was what she wanted....

          If there is such a thing as a "beautiful corpse" - my mother was.... She had this glow about her and a peace and calming look about her.... Everybody talked about it later....

          Yes it does help to know what your loved ones final moments are like and what they believe in. It makes it a lot easier on the rest of us mortals.

          I hope those men in the mines went quickly, that God showed them mercy and they quickly went to sleep. It would make it a lot easier on the families.
          Minny

          "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

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            #6
            I totally agree with all you said Minny...

            So far we know one did not suffer, as they think he was killed by the blast, and that was the lone body.

            For the one that always thought he would die in the mines, I think I could pick up and have strength that he understood death could come, he was probably prepared spiritually for whatever happened in the mines...

            I just hope that they weren't all alive, and if we could have gotten to them sooner they would have all survived, because I read where the mining company admits to being OVERLY conservative at first, which wasted a lot of time... if it comes to that, that will be a hard pill to swallow for those poor people...

            I am excited for the wife that her husband is alive, and squeezed her hand today... I take my fiance' for granted to much, and I will give him an extra hug and a kiss for awhile. Sometimes us humans need tragedy to remind us of important things in life...

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              #7
              I remember when we made a trip out west and my stepmother (1971) drove up to the Arkansas Governors Mansion and her press pass got us in for a free tour and a FREE roam at will through the Mansion (different day and age). A Rockefeller was Governor then. I remember that being the day that my dad told me how when he was young another Rockefeller in W. Va. sent in strke breakers and killed 20 miners, my dad hated that family. This company demonstrates the need for Unions in this Country. The pendulum is swinging and not in the right direction.

              These people were treated just plain shabby and with a careless attitude. Darkness and lack of air makes any horror movie pale by comparison.
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                #8
                Originally posted by robivi3
                I remember when we made a trip out west and my stepmother (1971) drove up to the Arkansas Governors Mansion and her press pass got us in for a free tour and a FREE roam at will through the Mansion (different day and age). A Rockefeller was Governor then. I remember that being the day that my dad told me how when he was young another Rockefeller in W. Va. sent in strke breakers and killed 20 miners, my dad hated that family. This company demonstrates the need for Unions in this Country. The pendulum is swinging and not in the right direction. .
                Hate to correct you Robvi but none of the Rockefellers gave that order.



                It wasn’t long before his determination to change the family’s image suffered its most serious setback. In September 1913 nine thousand workers at the Rockefeller-owned Colorado Fuel and Iron Company went out on strike for union recognition, better hours, wages, and housing. The coal miners and their families, evicted from their company homes, spent the winter in tent colonies in the town of Ludlow. In March 1914, with the strike still unresolved, John D. Rockefeller Jr., a board member of the company, testified before the House Subcommittee on Mines and Mining. He upheld the "open shop" as a sacred ideal. When the strike was violently suppressed in April 1914, public opinion turned against Junior, blaming him for the deaths of two women and eleven children. With the help of labor expert William MacKenzie King, Junior confronted the crisis and gradually addressed some of the issues raised by the miners. His efforts culminated in a much-publicized visit to Ludlow and a new labor agreement that improved conditions at the Colorado mine.

                Further:

                The face-off raged for fourteen hours, during which the miners' tent colony was pelted with machine gun fire and ultimately torched by the state militia. A number of people were killed, among them two women and eleven children who suffocated in a pit they had dug under their tent. The deaths were blamed on John D. Rockefeller Jr. For years, he would struggle to redress the situation - and strengthen the Rockefeller social conscience in the process.


                Originally posted by robivi3
                These people were treated just plain shabby and with a careless attitude. Darkness and lack of air makes any horror movie pale by comparison.

                Well, in truth what seems to have happened, was that one person in the "Command Center" heard the "We have found 12" they didn't hear the "We are checking for vitals" and so, they jumped the gun....

                I don't think for one moment, that person had permission to release the information they did...Recalling the last "Disaster", they kept it tight and closed lipped until they KNEW the miners had survived....

                In addition, there was a "Disaster" which was increased when miners "Went back" to free their trapped co-workers. They died also, as they had no idea what was down there...Making the "Diaster"...Much worse...

                Sacrifice is commendable, but only if the sacrifice has a bases in the chance of success...

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                  #9
                  Seems good 'nuff to me. Correction taken, Gen. I never "read up" on it, just took it as gospel.
                  Last edited by robivi3; 01-05-2006, 10:07 AM.
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