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    Questions concerning my mom's bk 7

    My mom filed bk 7 earlier this year. I attended her 341 meeting in april. Three weeks ago, someone protesting the bk and she was deposed in front of the trustee at her lawyer's office. I was present at this meeting.

    This is what I found out during the proceedings. My mother did not include her residence in her bk so she thought as long as she was current on it, she wouldn't lose it. However, the lawyer severly undervalued the property on her schedules. We are in NC. She purchased her townhome for $142000.00 in 2001. She currently owes 70k on it. She claimed that the house is only worth 86k. (That's a lie because her neighbor who is a real estate agent had her similar townhome on the market for two years for 149k, though it didn't sell and was taken off the market.) So, I figure she has at least 70k in equity in the home.

    She owns a mercedes that was paid for in cash back in 2000. For the last 2 1/2 years it's been in my stepdad's name. But they broke up over her lack of maintaining her finances properly and he transferred it to my sister instead of to my mother.

    Well, the trustee now knows about the equity in the house and the car that she bought but hasn't been in her name for years. Her attorney is telling her that she is probably gonna lose her home and her car. She's in huge denial. She still believes she can get out of this. Her lawyer says that we can't get her out of the bk now. Since all these red flags have been thrown up for the trustee.

    The trustee has asked for additional documents to look into whether or not she's hiding stuff or whatever. My sister has been paying my mother for a car payment that my mom loaned my sister to buy. My mother did not report this money as income.

    The trustee also has no idea that she owns thousands in jewelry and art because they have been removed from the house. Is my mother totally screwed?

    (My mom and dad sold a multi million dollar business in 1993. They divorced and since that time has squandered all her money.) She is penniless on paper.

    Any advice, feedback. I would definitely appreciate whatever y'all know that comes next. She's so deep in denial she's not willing to entertain the thought that she's screwed.
    Last edited by robinsnest; 07-09-2007, 05:19 PM.

    #2
    Worst case scenario: Trustee decides that there has been bankruptcy fraud, he dismisses the case with prejudice. He then has her charged with bankruptcy fraud. If he does this any debts that have been included in the bankruptcy cannot be refiled in another bankruptcy. She's liable to face a severe penalty both monetarily and possibly face jail time as well as facing action from all creditors currently held at bay by the stay.

    Best case scenario: Trustee takes control of the house. He then sales the house to meet the obligations of the creditors. He'll seek 100% payback if he is able. It is also possible that he'll take control of the Mercedes. The buying of the car with cash and putting in your stepdad's name shows that she sought to hide it from the trustee. Your stepdad's transfer of said car to your sister is an insider trade. He'll sell the Mercedes as well as part of the estate to meet the demands of the creditors.


    Yes she's in deep trouble here. Better pray for the best case, and hope they don't do the worst case.
    May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
    July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
    September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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      #3
      Thank you JRScott for your reply. Do you by any chance know how they "take control of the house". Does it happen quickly or does she have notice? Will they give her time to move her possessions or will they just come and padlock the place? It's been a couple of weeks since she was deposed by trustee. He gave her the rest of that week and the following week to get her paperwork he requested into her attorney. Last week the attorney was out for the holiday. What kind of timeline could we be looking at? Can my sister be penalized for having the car transfered to her?

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        #4
        He would send her notice. She'd probably have a couple of weeks. Depending on where she is and when they have Trustee sales she could have from a few weeks to a month or so.

        She's in a bad pickle, but its better to surrender the house to the trustee than to be charged with bankruptcy fraud. Even surrendering the mercedes and house are better. Your sister will lose the car obviously and any money she's most likely paid to your mom for it. Other than that shouldn't be anything more against her.
        May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
        July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
        September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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          #5
          New BK law audit now in effect. Random lottery case pick.

          Surrender & plead guity now, or face more legal appeal fees & probably fines/jail times.
          Last edited by BKOnce; 07-10-2007, 04:05 AM.

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            #6
            Sounds like you mom has "stirred" herself up one big mess to clean up - if possible.

            She faces "bankruptcy fraud charges" and possible dismissal...............

            I'm surprised that her attorney wasn't more througho in his listing of assets and asking her more questions. Usually they want a appraisal done, etc.....

            This is not going to be easy for her to get out of - you just can "quit bankruptcy" because you want too............

            Keep us posted as to what happens in this situation..... should be interesting....

            Wish we could help, but all we can suggest at this point, is "be honest, disclose everything, take the punches as the come and hope she comes out of this in the end without too much problems......

            Minny
            Minny

            "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

            My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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              #7
              My sister and I have been trying so hard to get her through this as well as some health issues that she has. She resents the way we've been treating her. She's so deep in denial....She's not even talking with us at this point.

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                #8
                Sorry to hear she won't listen. She's in a lot of trouble. Keep doing your best and hope she comes around.
                May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
                July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
                September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                  #9
                  Maybe her lawyer is telling her everything is going to be okay, I mean honestly all the money that is paid the lawyer I am sure they should have a way to help her out of this. I have heard of worse cases from one of my family member, she even had serious tax fraud on top of BK and it closed with in the correct time frame. yes, this was just 9 months ago. The lawyers know who to address these types of issues.
                  Success is reachable, stretch out your arm and grab it.

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                    #10
                    An update of sorts: My mom received a letter in todays mail regarding extensions to filing for objections to discharge of debtor and debts. It said that if anyone objected before or on July 1, 2007, they had right to a hearing on July 10, 2007 at the trustees office.

                    So, the hearing already happened and she was required to be there? What's up with that? Could the people who objected after her 341 meeting went to this new hearing? Her attorney won't return her phone calls so we still don't know what to expect about her home or car. This just keeps getting stranger and stranger.

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                      #11
                      It sounds like a general letter, it does not sound like anyone objected yet. IF someone objects then they have a right to a hearing on such and such date. She was not told to go to a hearing.

                      Trust me, I think she may be okay. Her lawyer is paid to take care of these things, at least with all the money they want they should
                      Success is reachable, stretch out your arm and grab it.

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                        #12
                        You can sign up on PACER and see what's going on with your Mom's case.

                        http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/

                        If you Register using a Debit Card or CC, you can have immediate access to use PACER. Once you log out, you can't log back in until you get your PACER issued User ID and Password. You can get that either via email within a day or 2, or by USPS mail in about a week.

                        Here's a thread about PACER with instructions how to search for info on a Case:

                        http://bkforum.com/showthread.php?t=1011

                        If you don't have Mom's Case Number, you can use her SSN to find out what's going on.
                        Filed Ch 7 - 09/06
                        Discharged - 12/2006
                        Officially Declared No Asset - 03/2007
                        Closed - 04/2007

                        I am not an attorney. My comments are based on personal experience and research. Always consult an attorney in your area to address concerns related to your particular situation.

                        Another good thing about being poor is that when you are seventy your children will not have declared you legally insane in order to gain control of your estate. - Woody Allen...

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