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    Need to file, but confused...

    Hi Everyone,

    I have been lurking here for several months and have done some research and followed stories, and thank you for all of the information. I know I need to file BK, but I'm not sure on a couple things...

    I live in CT, family of 3, I am the sole wage-earner, and I am well under the median income on the Means Test. I've done the expense calculator in the Sticky (CA BK Attys) and my disposable income WITH my current mortgage is $140. I'm sure I could adjust a couple things to get it down more, because I'm estimating and leaning toward the lower end of the variables.

    I own my home, fixed interest rate of 7.625 APR, approx $10,000 in equity based on neighborhood comps. That is a generous estimate - there may be less than $10k. I have no problem leaving the $10k behind if necessary.

    I own two cars outright, one valued at around $1000 and one around $5000. I think I'll need to use Federal Exemptions instead of CT, since the CT car allowance is low (I think $2000 plus wildcard of $1000 or close to that). Homestead exemption though is $75k of equity - does anyone know if I can put unused homestead toward the cars?

    I have about $35,000 in unsecured debt, the largest being an unsecured loan with Household Finance of $15,000. Does anyone know if there are any issues with getting that type of debt discharged, since it's not "credit card" type debt? I stopped paying unsecured debt out of necessity in September and haven't used cc's since then. I'm waiting to file until I know where I stand living on a cash-only basis.

    Which leads me to my biggest question. I am still struggling each month to pay my bills, even without paying the unsecured minimum payments. It is clear to me that the mortgage payment is too high. I don't love my house, it's really too small for us, and after 7 years there I couldn't care less about staying. We have foolishly stripped all of the equity over the years in an effort to live the way we wanted, and now that the equity is gone we are facing the fact that we need to change our lifestyle. We don't live extravagantly, but we got in over our heads with this mortgage the last time I refinanced and now with the price of heating oil and gas, well you know the story.

    Unfortunately, when I do the expenses I need the mortgage payment to stay within the requirements for disposable income. If I substitute the amount of rent that is allowable per IRS standards ($1250 or so) then it bumps up my disposable to $640 per month. So how do I file for Ch7 and surrender the house, and still meet the requirements to do a 7 instead of 13? Do I have to keep the mortgage current (it is now) until I file, and then stop paying once I've officially "qualified" or after the 341? I really want to stop paying now and save some money for the things I've never been able to afford (like an emergency fund and a retirement account). I would ideally like to stop paying the mortgage now, bank the money and live rent free, then file in a few months, (using some of the mortgage payments to pay an atty), and get a rent that's about $500 less than my current mortgage. Is that doable?

    Also, if I do stop paying the mortgage now, are there any restrictions on how I spend that left over cash (like a vacation) before I file?

    If I can't stop paying the mortgage because I need it to qualify to file Ch7, then how do I pay the attorney?

    Any advice is greatly appreciated.
    S.

    #2
    In some respects, you're lucky you're in CT. A seminal case in the 2nd BK District (NY, CT, VT) was decided in CT favoring the debtor in the ability to utilize the "payments contractually due" on secured debts in the means test, irrespective of the intent to surrender to the property. See "In re Longo".

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      #3
      OK, so this is strictly a case law issue on a state-by-state, trustee-by-trustee basis? There is no "standard" by which people can decide whether to surrender the home or not?

      If so, I guess I need to keep the payments current, file ch7, not reaffirm, and decide after filing what to do with the house.

      Is my thinking correct?

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        #4
        sivuh5, possibly. Have you consulted with 3 to 4 attorneys? Consultations should be free.

        Keep this in mind: trustees act differently in each area, so how one trustee may act in one area, it doesn't mean another trustee will do the same.

        Others will chime in, I'm sure.
        Chapter 13 Filed "Old Law"
        Filed: 6/2003 Confirmed: 3/2004
        Early pay off sent: 10/05/2007 - 9 months early
        11/16/2007 - Discharged!

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          #5
          Judges, too

          Originally posted by chpxiii View Post
          sivuh5, possibly. Have you consulted with 3 to 4 attorneys? Consultations should be free.

          Keep this in mind: trustees act differently in each area, so how one trustee may act in one area, it doesn't mean another trustee will do the same.

          Others will chime in, I'm sure.
          Judges, too.

          This one is part of the minority who refuses to allow payments on surrendered property to be included in the means test. (So be glad you're not in Missouri) "In re Burden"



          He cites (in footnote 14) all of the cases allowing payments on property to be surrendered (which are in the majority, including the above-cited "Longo" in Connecticut), then goes on to cite the cases in the minority on the other side of the issue (footnote 19), and finally throws his lot in with the minority, denying the debtors' deduction for the means test and forcing them into a C 13:

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            #6
            Thanks for the comments and the research.

            I don't think I'm going to take the chance on it. I'm just going to keep struggling to keep the mortgage current and file earlier than I had thought I would. Then after discharge I'll decide whether to walk away or keep paying.

            Thank you again.
            S.

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              #7
              Sivuh,

              Feel free to call me for a free sit down on the specifics of your situation. I have been practicing bankruptcy law in CT since 1986.

              Jim Aspell
              West Hartford
              860-523-8783

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