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    U.S. May Be in for ‘Great Recession,’ Longest Postwar

    Dec. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy, now officially in recession, may be in the midst of the longest slump in the post- World War II era as job losses mount and credit dries up.

    The economic slump began in December 2007 when payrolls reached a peak, the business cycle dating committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research, a private, nonprofit group of economists based in Cambridge, Massachusetts, said yesterday. The last time the U.S. was in a recession was from March through November 2001, according to NBER.

    “We’re looking at some pretty severe numbers for the fourth quarter, and the first quarter of 2009 will be pretty bad as well,” said Stephen Stanley, chief U.S. economist at RBS Greenwich Capital in Greenwich, Connecticut. “The economy isn’t going to turn around definitively until the credit markets unclog.”

    The NBER designation means the U.S. was the first country to have slipped into a contraction. While definitions differ, the economies of both the euro area and Japan fell into a slump in the second quarter of this year, making it the first simultaneous recession in the three regions in the postwar era.

    The longest economic slumps since 1945 were the 16-month downturns that ended in March 1975 and November 1982. The Great Depression lasted 43 months, from August 1929 to March 1933.

    “This may be referred to as the Great Recession,” because of its length, said Norbert Ore, chairman of the Institute for Supply Management’s factory survey. “It looked like we were headed for a shallow recession earlier in the year because of higher energy prices. With the meltdown in the financial sector, it has become something more serious.”

    Manufacturing Slump

    American manufacturing contracted in November at the steepest rate in 26 years, the ISM said yesterday. The Tempe, Arizona-based group’s report came as factory indexes in China, the U.K., euro area, and Russia all fell to record lows.

    Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, a former member of the NBER panel, said yesterday the economy “will probably remain weak for a time” and the Fed may use unconventional methods, such as buying Treasury securities, to spur growth.

    “We have gone through in the last year a remarkable set of events, ranging from housing market to credit market to financial market shocks,” James Poterba, president of the NBER and an economics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said in an interview. “The collection of shocks is a very rare coincidence. It is not terribly surprising you might get a longer-than-average downturn.”

    Job Losses

    The loss of 1.2 million jobs so far this year was the biggest factor in determining the starting point of the U.S. recession, the NBER said. By that measure, the contraction probably deepened last month.

    Payroll employment probably fell by 325,000 in November, the most since the last recession, according to the median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News ahead of a Labor Department report due Dec. 5. The jobless rate is projected to increase to 6.8 percent, the highest level since 1993.

    U.S. employers cut 240,000 jobs in October, a 10th consecutive decline. The unemployment rate rose to 6.5 percent, the highest level in 14 years, according to Labor Department statistics.

    “It is clearly not going to end in a few months,” Jeffrey Frankel, a member of the NBER committee and a professor at Harvard University, said in an interview. “We would be lucky to get done with it in the middle of next year.”

    Second Bush Slump

    The contraction is the second under President George W. Bush‘s watch, making him the first U.S. leader since Richard Nixon to preside over two recessions.

    Lawrence Summers, President-elect Barack Obama’s pick for White House economic adviser, said the economy is getting worse and requires more legislative action.

    “Recent economic evidence suggests that the pace of this downturn is accelerating,” Summers said in a statement. He said Obama wants to enact a recovery package “soon after taking office.”

    Although a recession is conventionally defined as two quarters of successive contraction in gross domestic product, the private committee doesn’t require supporting GDP data to make a recession call. Its members focus on month-to-month changes in the economy.

    The NBER committee defines a recession as a “significant” decrease in activity over a sustained period of time. The decline would be visible in gross domestic product, payrolls, industrial production, sales and incomes.

    The U.S. economy shrank at a 0.5 percent pace in the third quarter after expanding 2.8 percent in the previous three months. Economists at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley in New York are among those projecting the economy will contract at a 5 percent pace this quarter.

    “The recession is likely to last at least into the summer of 2009,” said Conrad DeQuadros, a founding partner at RDQ Economics in New York. “Even as the economy begins to recover, it’s likely to still feel like a recession, and the unemployment rate is still likely to rise.”

    By Steve Matthews and Timothy R. Homan


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    Dec. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy, now officially in recession
    Are they sure they do not want to wait until Dec 2, 2009 to admit it?

    geeesh

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      Are they sure they do not want to wait until Dec 2, 2009 to admit it?
      They had to wait until the election was over to announce the recession.

      I was saying in January 2008 the recession started in December 2007 - that's what the most reliable data already showed back then. The NBER wanted to see if the "stimulus checks" would turn things around. They typically announce the recession after it is over. But this one will be a Looong one, so they couldn't wait for 10 years.
      “When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis

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        Originally posted by WhatMoney View Post
        They had to wait until the election was over to announce the recession.

        I was saying in January 2008 the recession started in December 2007 - that's what the most reliable data already showed back then. The NBER wanted to see if the "stimulus checks" would turn things around. They typically announce the recession after it is over. But this one will be a Looong one, so they couldn't wait for 10 years.
        Every recession is usually announced six months or so after it began.

        Keep in mind when politicians, media or pretty much anyone else keeps on announcing doom and gloom that alone will make matters worse because people will all lose confidence, stop spending put savings in a house wall safe and really cause problems.

        What difference would it have made if they announced it sooner? The government is pretty much doing all it can and only time will heal this. Because of the magnitude of the problem the time will probably be longer then usual for it to heal and it will.
        The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of Government

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          Originally posted by WhatMoney View Post
          They had to wait until the election was over to announce the recession.

          I was saying in January 2008 the recession started in December 2007 - that's what the most reliable data already showed back then. The NBER wanted to see if the "stimulus checks" would turn things around. They typically announce the recession after it is over. But this one will be a Looong one, so they couldn't wait for 10 years.
          I suppose you are right.
          Though Mayor Daley had no problem announcing it in July 08 & admitting that congress should also admit that we have been in recession for a long time. Then again he had no choice but to explain BECAUSE HE COULD NOT MAKE PAYROLL, when he had to cut back on hours of almost 1/5 of everyones salary who works for the city.

          I was actually kind of proud that someone could be honest about it & take some action while everyone else stayed in denial.

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            #6
            Originally posted by banca rotta View Post
            Every recession is usually announced six months or so after it began.

            Keep in mind when politicians, media or pretty much anyone else keeps on announcing doom and gloom that alone will make matters worse because people will all lose confidence, stop spending put savings in a house wall safe and really cause problems.

            What difference would it have made if they announced it sooner? The government is pretty much doing all it can and only time will heal this. Because of the magnitude of the problem the time will probably be longer then usual for it to heal and it will.
            I think they are in denial & stay afraid becasue they will also be affected. Thus it makes matters worse by ignoring it. The sooner they address the problem the sooner they can start to fix it.

            I personally dont view it as doom & gloom, rather a very broken dam that needs to be fixed ASAP, before it cracks wide open & everyone drowns to death.

            It is about 6 months they start talking about it but Bush was acting stupid through it, ignoring it as if no problems existed. Government started a bit too late this time & I cant help but think at times they allow all this crap on purpose, just to keep them in power.

            We are on the edge of depression, something else people refuse to admit but the smart folks are well prepared for it.

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