Bankruptcy Forum

Pension

ando
10-07-2009, 07:21 AM
can creditors touch my retirement pension and social security checks? if not , then I'll file chapter 7. I know that retirement account is safe , but what about monthly pension checks and social security checks ?

aljohnson007
10-07-2009, 08:09 AM
SS is off limits. What type pension are you receiving?

ando
10-07-2009, 08:17 AM
federal pension, I retired from the Post office

aljohnson007
10-07-2009, 08:43 AM
I filed in FL and receive SS, Military and Civil Service retirement and all was safe. Check your State exemptions.

floridian
10-07-2009, 08:48 AM
creditors may not touch it, but if you have DMI, you may not get a chapter 7, even if you pass the means test... im in that boat..

kenshirley
10-07-2009, 10:49 AM
I have a small SS and we are both retired CS.
They could not touch either for garnishment and such but the CS income is just that. SS is not counted in a BK

Michigan1951
10-07-2009, 10:56 AM
Husband has VA compensation, military retirement, and social security disability monthly payments coming in. We do not have DMI left enough to make a difference to push us into a 13. Can any of our income be touched? We filed for a 7 and our attorney (an expeirenced one) said that the Trustee favors seniors, military, and disabled at that. We are scared to death here. A c13 would not work for us for sure. Anyone know anything about a similar situation as ours?

kenshirley
10-07-2009, 10:58 AM
Husband has VA compensation, military retirement, and social security disability monthly payments coming in. We do not have DMI left enough to make a difference to push us into a 13. Can any of our income be touched? We filed for a 7 and our attorney (an expeirenced one) said that the Trustee favors seniors, military, and disabled at that. We are scared to death here. A c13 would not work for us for sure. Anyone know anything about a similar situation as ours?

OK, you might try your own post.

Michigan1951
10-07-2009, 10:58 AM
I take that back. The military retirement is counted only.....sorry.

Michigan1951
10-07-2009, 11:37 AM
yes, sorry. I better post elsewhere.............

MakinMeCrazy
10-07-2009, 10:07 PM
We're in that same boat! But here is another question ...My husband is a retired City, State ,Fed employee.....our pension it DIRECT DEPOS:(IT, we have no choice, they insist.......My question is, if it is the ONLY money going into our bank account is it "untouchable" or since it is in the bank is it just no longer considered pension money? and can i get our bank to make it "untouchable"? thnaks so much , you guys are all GREAT!

ando
10-08-2009, 02:30 AM
someone told me about Direct Express , how is that to have your money deposited there and they give you a debit card to spend against it. They told me that since your ss payments and federal pension goes into it, and it is not a bank they can't touch it. But I don't know about their customer service that's another story.

galmazan
10-08-2009, 10:17 AM
http://law.freeadvice.com/estate_planning/asset_protection/protecting-wages-from-creditors.htm

Protecting Your Wages from Creditors

Every state has an exemption for certain types of income which creditors may not be able to garnish even if they hold a judgment against you. If you have exempt income or property, a debt collector cannot take it in order to cover a debt. These may include wages, salary, social security, welfare, or unemployment compensation. Some exemptions apply to only heads of households, but many apply to anyone. In some states, earnings of independent contractors or sole owners of corporations are not considered exempt wages.
A creditor or debt collector cannot force you to use exempt income to pay a debt. The following types of income are exempt under federal law:

Public Assistance (PA)
Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
Social Security
Social Security Disability (SSD)
Veterans benefits (VA)
Child Support
Spousal Maintenance
Workers Compensation
Unemployment Insurance
Railroad Retirement benefits
Black Lung benefits
Wages

Under federal law, Title III of the Consumer Credit Protection Act protects employees by limiting the amount of earnings that may be garnished in any workweek or pay period to the lesser of 25 percent of disposable earnings or the amount by which disposable earnings are greater than 30 times the federal minimum hourly wage prescribed by Section 6(a)(1) of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. This limit applies regardless of how many garnishment orders an employer receives. The federal minimum wage is $6.55 per hour effective July 24, 2008 and $7.25 per hour effective July 24, 2009.

Note: All states allow wage garnishment for child support, alimony, taxes and federal student loans. Each state differs in its wage garnishment laws, but if a state’s law allows for more of your wages to be garnished than the federal law, the state must comply with federal law.

Wage Account

A way to help protect your income from creditors is to place the funds into a separate bank account, called a wage account. The purpose of the wage account is to segregate protected wages and not commingle it in accounts with money from other sources. Separate wage accounts are not always necessary. In Florida, for example, the law provides for the protection of 100% of the head of household’s wages from garnishment even if the wages are commingled with other funds, as long as you can clearly trace and identify the wages deposited into the account.

Note, however, that it has become common practice for debt collectors to freeze accounts containing protected income. If your account consists solely of exempt funds, it is much easier to get the account released. Other states may differ, but under Florida law, wages are exempt for a period of six months. This means wages in the debtor’s possession, which are less than six months old on the date of filing are exempt. However, those wages must be identifiable. So, although not necessary under Florida law, it would seem to be beneficial to segregate your wages from other money.

In New York, the maximum amount of garnishment is ten percent 10% of gross income, or the federal maximum, whichever is less. If the debtor is subject to garnishment for alimony, support or maintenance, the combined garnishments cannot exceed twenty-five percent 25% of disposable earnings.

Other examples are California, which uses the same rules as the federal government; Massachusetts, which allows garnishment of wages up to $125 a week; and Pennsylvania, where wages can only be garnished for taxes and child support. Check with your state’s

Department of Labor or an attorney in your area for your state’s rules on wage accounts and garnishment of wages by creditors. It is important to know your rights. If a creditor freezes your bank account and all the money in the account is from recent paychecks, odds are, it is all exempt from debt collection.