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    Warning - keep an eye on your mortgage co!

    I am in 13 and about a month ago Wilshire filed a motion to lift the stay so they could foreclose on my house. Their claim was that I had made one payment only since starting my BK (in October) - completely false. Got all my info together and gave to my attorney, who told me that it is very common for mortgage companies to be disorganized, not have good records, etc. - some companies are worse than others. Presented my info to Wilshire's attorneys showing I had paid and was, in fact, completely up to date on my payments.

    Wilshire's attorneys then came back with the following, which totally blows my mind!

    1. They had "misapplied" two of my payments to someone else's account.

    2. They "don't believe" my last payment was made, even though I have info from my bank showing it was directly wired to their bank account and is sitting there.

    3. They somehow changed my monthly payment without telling me (neither attorney nor I can figure out how they came up with the number they are using and when that figure was supposed to start being paid) and of course want the extra for all the months I made the payment they HAD told me about.

    4. Finally, my interest rate adjusted as of 3/1 and so my payment for March is incorrect as well.

    The attorneys for Wilshire suggested we sign a 6 month stip to take care of any back owed money and also included their attorneys fees, which they seem to feel I need to pay, even though all of this came down because their client jumped to file that motion without getting adequate information.

    I am shocked at the sheer incompetence of Wilshire to do their job. If I were to "misapply" funds at work, I'd be out on the street before I could open my mouth!

    I am safe from foreclosure as of now, but who knows what other fun things Wilshire will toss at me.

    Just to let y'all know - keep an eye on your mortgage company because they just really seem to have a hard time being able to do their jobs competently - and ultimately their incompetence will end up YOUR problem.

    #2
    How frustrating!! I can see mistakes happening but they just sound so difficult to work with.

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      #3
      Chase was another group of baboons. Believe it or not Irwin Home Equity was absolutely the easiest account to deal with in my BK.
      "You once asked me for advice. You want some now? Never pass up a good thing." Lieutenant Jean Rasczak, Starship Troopers

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        #4
        The MLS requires a hearing before the bk judge overseeing your case (not the trustee). If the hearing has NOT yet been held and their motion granted, you have the right to appear and state your case arguing AGAINST the stay being lifted. At best, you can request a delay or rescheduling on the basis of your needing time to cure the default. However, showing the judge the facts of Wilshire's ineptness would have caused MY bk judge to ask their attorney why he was taking up her time when they weren't technically clean and ready. I went to my hearing(s) and in every case they ask if the debtor is in the courtroom and if you oppose. Take EVERY chance you can to forestall those bastards, because even a few weeks delay or reschedule can mean another month or two before they can proceed.

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          #5
          You better WATCH those mortgage companies and check all their paperwork behind them.............
          Those caused me to loose my home in bankruptcy because of their "LOUSY PAPERWORK' 8 years ago......
          Their negligence cost me my home.........so BEWARE and CHECK AFTER THEM........
          Minny

          "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

          My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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            #6
            Mortgage Companies

            How interesting I have my first with Wilshire and my second with Irwin Home Equity. Will keep an eye out for sure!

            Kris
            "For they told you life is hard
            Misery from the start,
            It's dull, it's slow, it's painful
            But I tell you life is sweet
            In spite of the misery
            There's so much more, be grateful"

            Natalie Merchant

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              #7
              Update on above - opinions please

              I got a letter from my attorney regarding the stipulation he and the mortgage company's attorneys have signed regarding my mortgage (the motion for relief from stay). Court date was today and I guess they just couldn't wait to get things squared away (at least in their eyes) and had to just sign a piece of paper lickety-split. It is apparently a done deal.

              Unfortunately, the information in the stipulation is wrong. Basically says "debtor owes xxxxx and also will pay the attorney's fees for mortgage company's attorneys." Includes a month (Feb 2006) that I have already paid (and told the attorneys 3x I paid it, showing them bank information stating the same). The upshot is that I will be making a separate monthly payment for 6 months of another $535 to take care of all of this, as well as my (new interest rate) monthly mortgage payment.

              I shot back a very angry fax this morning to his office saying (1) how dare you sign a stipulation on my behalf without checking the accuracy of the agreement with me and (2) why should I be responsible for the attorney's fees of the mortgage company when filing the motion was their mistake in the first place? I was not behind in my payments and if they had bothered to check things out and/or applied my payments to MY account and not someone else's - they would not have had to file anything at all. How is it my problem that I have to now pay $750 over the next 6 months to take care of their filing fees and attorney's fees? Gee, it isn't like I've got $750 laying around to just give away

              I am really at a loss to know what to do with this attorney. Obviously, he is not looking out for my best interests - not paying attention to what I am sending him or using his head and saying "hey mortgage co, this girl can't pay $750 she doesn't owe - besides, she is in BK!" - just trying to hurry up and get things done and off his plate.

              I have had a suggestion that I go to the judge/trustee, although I don't know what that would accomplish or what I would say.

              Advice please! Would you pay the attorney's fees and let it go? Should I reverse the Feb payment since they refuse to believe me or credit it and just move forward with the stipulation terms? Should I try to get another attorney or are they all like this?

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                #8
                You can register a complaint with the State Board over Attorneys or with the Attorney General's Office in your state regarding the issues with your attorney.

                Explain the situation in your correspondence and back it up with copies of receipts of payment.

                Let us know what they tell you......

                Minny
                Minny

                "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

                My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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                  #9
                  Thanks Minnie

                  I got a letter from the guy in response to my queries. It was unbelievably rude and unhelpful (he has decided now that since I didn't make a payment in March and April - because I could not because of the motion and also because HE told me not to), I have no right to say anything about the motion and should pay the mortgage company's attorneys fees without question. He also used big capital underlined letters to tell me DON'T FAX ANYTHING ELSE - which is one of 2 methods of communication I have with the man.

                  After much thought, I am going to fire him and get someone else. This is ridiculous. I don't know of a single attorney I have ever worked for that would treat a paying client like this guy has treated me, with an attitude, not looking out for me or helping me. So my next step is to find someone decent and get my file from attorney 1. Once I have that, I will be filing a complaint against him. I don't know that it will do a whole lot of good, though.

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                    #10
                    If you are filed under the new laws, attornys are held responsible for thier actions regarding your bankruptcy. If they fail to represent you properly or file papers incorrectly they can be held accountable, by the Court and by you also. Its called negligence and malpractice.
                    Drop a note to the local Attorney General regarding your business dealings with this attorney and see how fast he looses his liscense to practice law if he doesn't respond to the Attorney Generals questions. And the AG will keep you posted on what is said.

                    No attorney wants the Attorney General of their state or Washington BREATHING DOWN THEIR NECK!!!

                    Remember, EVERYBODY HAS BOSS - the judge, the trustee, the lawyers.... Someone holds their liscenses!!! And their liscenses are held by an Ethics Board!!!

                    Play the game, watch him squirm..... put him in the hot seat for a little while.....

                    Minny
                    Minny

                    "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

                    My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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                      #11
                      Also if your attorney SIGNED papers without your knowledge.... (and you not knowing what was in those papers) he is not representing you.... He is taking care of #1 - himself.

                      Your attorney is not supposed to "strike any deals" with anyone that you don't know about.....

                      Mine is in trouble for "not doing his job"...............taking care of his own A@@.............

                      So now I'm gonna take a bite out of his........ And his pocketbook at the same time
                      Minny

                      "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

                      My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Lesa13
                        I got a letter from the guy in response to my queries. It was unbelievably rude and unhelpful (he has decided now that since I didn't make a payment in March and April - because I could not because of the motion and also because HE told me not to), I have no right to say anything about the motion and should pay the mortgage company's attorneys fees without question. He also used big capital underlined letters to tell me DON'T FAX ANYTHING ELSE - which is one of 2 methods of communication I have with the man.

                        After much thought, I am going to fire him and get someone else. This is ridiculous. I don't know of a single attorney I have ever worked for that would treat a paying client like this guy has treated me, with an attitude, not looking out for me or helping me. So my next step is to find someone decent and get my file from attorney 1. Once I have that, I will be filing a complaint against him. I don't know that it will do a whole lot of good, though.
                        I definatly would fire him. This is rediculous. Read your contract with him and see if there is a clause that prohibits him from settling. It seems to me a lawyer can only state they will take an offer to there client, but cannot sign for you unless you gave him a power of attorney to do so.
                        Chapter 13 Filed 4/03/06 :blink: 341 Meeting Complete 5/11/06 :yes2:
                        Plan Confirmation 6/16/06 :yahoo:
                        Discharged: 1/5/2010 :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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                          #13
                          GMAC tried to screw me too with their incompetent record-keeping. I had to pay an extra $350/mo for 6 mos!

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                            #14
                            Shocking Story!

                            Well that story is shocking...and the problem is just people and people error. I had my entire checking account wiped out by Oregon Department of Revenue because a payment wasn't posted correctly while paying on taxes one year. I was reimbursed, but still had to pay all the bank fees incurred while I was being legally robbed. I hope for you that you will stay safe in your home.

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                              #15
                              Here I am again in the wrong thread.... Hi Minny! I was reading about mortgage payments posted incorrectly and foreclosure threats! I don't know how I ended up over here......

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