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    In jail for being in debt

    June 9, 2010

    As a sheriff's deputy dumped the contents of Joy Uhlmeyer's purse into a sealed bag, she begged to know why she had just been arrested while driving home to Richfield after an Easter visit with her elderly mother.

    No one had an answer. Uhlmeyer spent a sleepless night in a frigid Anoka County holding cell, her hands tucked under her armpits for warmth. Then, handcuffed in a squad car, she was taken to downtown Minneapolis for booking. Finally, after 16 hours in limbo, jail officials fingerprinted Uhlmeyer and explained her offense -- missing a court hearing over an unpaid debt. "They have no right to do this to me," said the 57-year-old patient care advocate, her voice as soft as a whisper. "Not for a stupid credit card."

    It's not a crime to owe money, and debtors' prisons were abolished in the United States in the 19th century. But people are routinely being thrown in jail for failing to pay debts. In Minnesota, which has some of the most creditor-friendly laws in the country, the use of arrest warrants against debtors has jumped 60 percent over the past four years, with 845 cases in 2009, a Star Tribune analysis of state court data has found.

    Not every warrant results in an arrest, but in Minnesota many debtors spend up to 48 hours in cells with criminals. Consumer attorneys say such arrests are increasing in many states, including Arkansas, Arizona and Washington, driven by a bad economy, high consumer debt and a growing industry that buys bad debts and employs every means available to collect.

    Whether a debtor is locked up depends largely on where the person lives, because enforcement is inconsistent from state to state, and even county to county.

    In Illinois and southwest Indiana, some judges jail debtors for missing court-ordered debt payments. In extreme cases, people stay in jail until they raise a minimum payment. In January, a judge sentenced a Kenney, Ill., man "to indefinite incarceration" until he came up with $300 toward a lumber yard debt.

    "The law enforcement system has unwittingly become a tool of the debt collectors," said Michael Kinkley, an attorney in Spokane, Wash., who has represented arrested debtors. "The debt collectors are abusing the system and intimidating people, and law enforcement is going along with it."

    How often are debtors arrested across the country? No one can say. No national statistics are kept, and the practice is largely unnoticed outside legal circles. "My suspicion is the debt collection industry does not want the world to know these arrests are happening, because the practice would be widely condemned," said Robert Hobbs, deputy director of the National Consumer Law Center in Boston.

    Debt collectors defend the practice, saying phone calls, letters and legal actions aren't always enough to get people to pay.

    "Admittedly, it's a harsh sanction," said Steven Rosso, a partner in the Como Law Firm of St. Paul, which does collections work. "But sometimes, it's the only sanction we have."

    Taxpayers foot the bill for arresting and jailing debtors. In many cases, Minnesota judges set bail at the amount owed.

    In Minnesota, judges have issued arrest warrants for people who owe as little as $85 -- less than half the cost of housing an inmate overnight. Debtors targeted for arrest owed a median of $3,512 in 2009, up from $2,201 five years ago.

    Those jailed for debts may be the least able to pay.

    "It's just one more blow for people who are already struggling," said Beverly Yang, a Land of Lincoln Legal Assistance Foundation staff attorney who has represented three Illinois debtors arrested in the past two months. "They don't like being in court. They don't have cars. And if they had money to pay these collectors, they would."

    The collection machine

    The laws allowing for the arrest of someone for an unpaid debt are not new.

    What is new is the rise of well-funded, aggressive and centralized collection firms, in many cases run by attorneys, that buy up unpaid debt and use the courts to collect.

    Three debt buyers -- Unifund CCR Partners, Portfolio Recovery Associates Inc. and Debt Equities LLC -- accounted for 15 percent of all debt-related arrest warrants issued in Minnesota since 2005, court data show. The debt buyers also file tens of thousands of other collection actions in the state, seeking court orders to make people pay.

    The debts -- often five or six years old -- are purchased from companies like cellphone providers and credit card issuers, and cost a few cents on the dollar. Using automated dialing equipment and teams of lawyers, the debt-buyer firms try to collect the debt, plus interest and fees. A firm aims to collect at least twice what it paid for the debt to cover costs. Anything beyond that is profit.

    Portfolio Recovery Associates of Norfolk, Va., a publicly traded debt buyer with the biggest profits and market capitalization, earned $44 million last year on $281 million in revenue -- a 16 percent net margin. Encore Capital Group, another large debt buyer based in San Diego, had a margin last year of 10 percent. By comparison, Wal-Mart's profit margin was 3.5 percent.

    Todd Lansky, chief operating officer at Resurgence Financial LLC, a Northbrook, Ill.-based debt buyer, said firms like his operate within the law, which says people who ignore court orders can be arrested for contempt. By the time a warrant is issued, a debtor may have been contacted up to 12 times, he said.

    "This is a last-ditch effort to say, 'Look, just show up in court,'" he said.

    Go to court -- or jail

    At 9:30 a.m. on a recent weekday morning, about a dozen people stood in line at the Hennepin County Government Center in Minneapolis.

    Nearly all of them had received court judgments for not paying a delinquent debt. One by one, they stepped forward to fill out a two-page financial disclosure form that gives creditors the information they need to garnish money from their paychecks or bank accounts.

    This process happens several times a week in Hennepin County. Those who fail to appear can be held in contempt and an arrest warrant is issued if a collector seeks one. Arrested debtors aren't officially charged with a crime, but their cases are heard in the same courtroom as drug users.

    Greg Williams, who is unemployed and living on state benefits, said he made the trip downtown on the advice of his girlfriend who knew someone who had been arrested for missing such a hearing.

    "I was surprised that the police would waste time on my petty debts," said Williams, 45, of Minneapolis, who had a $5,773 judgment from a credit card debt. "Don't they have real criminals to catch?"

    Few debtors realize they can land in jail simply for ignoring debt-collection legal matters. Debtors also may not recognize the names of companies seeking to collect old debts. Some people are contacted by three or four firms as delinquent debts are bought and sold multiple times after the original creditor writes off the account.

    "They may think it's a mistake. They may think it's a scam. They may not realize how important it is to respond," said Mary Spector, a law professor at Southern Methodist University's Dedman School of Law in Dallas.

    A year ago, Legal Aid attorneys proposed a change in state law that would have required law enforcement officials to let debtors fill out financial disclosure forms when they are apprehended rather than book them into jail. No legislator introduced the measure.

    Joy Uhlmeyer, who was arrested on her way home from spending Easter with her mother, said she defaulted on a $6,200 Chase credit card after a costly divorce in 2006. The firm seeking payment was Resurgence Financial, the Illinois debt buyer. Uhlmeyer said she didn't recognize the name and ignored the notices.

    Uhlmeyer walked free after her nephew posted $2,500 bail. It took another $187 to retrieve her car from the city impound lot. Her 86-year-old mother later asked why she didn't call home after leaving Duluth. Not wanting to tell the truth, Uhlmeyer said her car broke down and her cell phone died.

    "The really maddening part of the whole experience was the complete lack of information," she said. "I kept thinking, 'If there was a warrant out for my arrest, then why in the world wasn't I told about it?'"

    Jailed for $250

    One afternoon last spring, Deborah Poplawski, 38, of Minneapolis was digging in her purse for coins to feed a downtown parking meter when she saw the flashing lights of a Minneapolis police squad car behind her. Poplawski, a restaurant cook, assumed she had parked illegally. Instead, she was headed to jail over a $250 credit card debt.

    Less than a month earlier, she learned by chance from an employment counselor that she had an outstanding warrant. Debt Equities, a Golden Valley debt buyer, had sued her, but she says nobody served her with court documents. Thanks to interest and fees, Poplawski was now on the hook for $1,138.

    Though she knew of the warrant and unpaid debt, "I wasn't equating the warrant with going to jail, because there wasn't criminal activity associated with it," she said. "I just thought it was a civil thing."

    She spent nearly 25 hours at the Hennepin County jail.

    A year later, she still gets angry recounting the experience. A male inmate groped her behind in a crowded elevator, she said. Poplawski also was ordered to change into the standard jail uniform -- gray-white underwear and orange pants, shirt and socks -- in a cubicle the size of a telephone booth. She slept in a room with 12 to 16 women and a toilet with no privacy. One woman offered her drugs, she said.

    The next day, Poplawski appeared before a Hennepin County district judge. He told her to fill out the form listing her assets and bank account, and released her. Several weeks later, Debt Equities used this information to seize funds from her bank account. The firm didn't return repeated calls seeking a comment.

    "We hear every day about how there's no money for public services," Poplawski said. "But it seems like the collectors have found a way to get the police to do their work."

    Threat depends on location

    A lot depends on where a debtor lives or is arrested, as Jamie Rodriguez, 41, a bartender from Brooklyn Park, discovered two years ago.

    Deputies showed up at his house one evening while he was playing with his 5-year-old daughter, Nicole. They live in Hennepin County, where the Sheriff's Office has enough staff to seek out people with warrants for civil violations.

    If Rodriquez lived in neighboring Wright County, he could have simply handed the officers a check or cash for the amount owed. If he lived in Dakota County, it's likely no deputy would have shown up because the Sheriff's Office there says it lacks the staff to pursue civil debt cases.

    Knowing that his daughter and wife were watching from the window, Rodriguez politely asked the deputies to drive him around the block, out of sight of his family, before they handcuffed him. The deputies agreed.

    "No little girl should have to see her daddy arrested," said Rodriguez, who spent a night in jail.

    "If you talk to 15 different counties, you'll find 15 different approaches to handling civil warrants," said Sgt. Robert Shingledecker of the Dakota County Sheriff's Office. "Everything is based on manpower."

    Local police also can enforce debt-related warrants, but small towns and some suburbs often don't have enough officers.

    The Star Tribune's comparison of warrant and booking data suggests that at least 1 in 6 Minnesota debtors at risk for arrest actually lands in jail, typically for eight hours. The exact number of such arrests isn't known because the government doesn't consistently track what happens to debtor warrants.

    "There are no standards here," said Gail Hillebrand, a senior attorney with the Consumers Union in San Francisco. "A borrower who lives on one side of the river can be arrested while another one goes free. It breeds disrespect for the law."

    Haekyung Nielsen, 27, of Bloomington, said police showed up at her house on a civil warrant two weeks after she gave birth through Caesarean section. A debt buyer had sent her court papers for an old credit-card debt while she was in the hospital; Nielsen said she did not have time to respond.

    Her baby boy, Tyler, lay in the crib as she begged the officer not to take her away.

    "Thank God, the police had mercy and left me and my baby alone," said Nielsen, who later paid the debt. "But to send someone to arrest me two weeks after a massive surgery that takes most women eight weeks to recover from was just unbelievable."

    The second surprise

    Many debtors, like Robert Vee, 36, of Brooklyn Park, get a second surprise after being arrested -- their bail is exactly the amount of money owed.

    Hennepin County automatically sets bail at the judgment amount or $2,500, whichever is less. This policy was adopted four years ago in response to the high volume of debtor default cases, say court officials.

    Some judges say the practice distorts the purpose of bail, which is to make sure people show up in court.

    "It's certainly an efficient way to collect debts, but it's also highly distasteful," said Hennepin County District Judge Jack Nordby. "The amount of bail should have nothing to do with the amount of the debt."

    Judge Robert Blaeser, chief of the county court's civil division, said linking bail to debt streamlines the process because judges needn't spend time setting bail.

    "It's arbitrary," he conceded. "The bigger question is: Should you be allowed to get an order from a court for someone to be arrested because they owe money? You've got to remember there are people who have the money but just won't pay a single penny."

    If friends or family post a debtor's bail, they can expect to kiss the money goodbye, because it often ends up with creditors, who routinely ask judges for the bail payment.

    Vee, a highway construction worker, was arrested one afternoon in February while driving his teenage daughter from school to their home in Brooklyn Park. As he was being cuffed, Vee said his daughter, who has severe asthma, started hyperventilating from the stress.

    "All I kept thinking about was whether she was all right and if she was using her [asthma] inhaler," he said.

    From the Hennepin County jail, he made a collect call to his landlord, who promised to bring the bail. It was $1,875.06, the exact amount of a credit card debt.

    Later, Vee was reunited with his distraught daughter at home. "We hugged for a long time, and she was bawling her eyes out," he said.

    He still has unpaid medical and credit card bills and owes about $40,000 on an old second mortgage. The sight of a squad car in his rearview mirror is all it takes to set off a fresh wave of anxiety.

    "The question always crosses my mind: 'Are the cops going to arrest me again?'" he said. "So long as I've got unpaid bills, the threat is there."

    You committed no crime, but an officer is knocking on your door. More Minnesotans are surprised to find themselves being locked up over debts.
    Last edited by keepinitreal; 06-09-2010, 05:48 PM.
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    #2
    This makes three separate threads started on this same article.

    The most useful comments are in the 'General Talk' forum, made yesterday and today.
    The Collection thread on the article was already Locked by the mods.
    “When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis

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      #3
      Believe it or not, there is no federal law prohibiting imprisonment for debt. It's a state by state matter. If the article below is to be believed, Minnesota allows imprisonment for debt.

      The Southern states, being more enlightened and civilized, outlawed debt imprisonment nearly 200 years ago. Here is Mississippi's treatment of the subject:

      Pay no attention to anything I post. I graduated last in my class from a fly-by-night law school that no longer exists; I never studied or went to class; and I only post on internet forums when I'm too drunk to crawl away from the computer.

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        #4
        We would have to throw the politicians in jail first since they racked up the most debt and did it with no intentions of ever paying it back.
        The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of Government

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          #5
          If the article below is to be believed, Minnesota allows imprisonment for debt.
          The article is about being jailed w/ bail for Contempt of Court. It is NOT about being jailed for debt, which is against the law in every state.

          MSbklawyer,

          Are you claiming Mississippi has no laws that allow for Civil Contempt of Court?
          Or that MS has no penalties for a Contempt of Court order from a state court?

          Because that is what this article from MN is about - Contempt of Court, and the civil penalties for contempt, including an arrest warrant.

          "From Mississippi Code:
          SEC. 13-1-271. Contempt.

          If the motion and order have been served personally on the judgment debtor, and he refuses to appear for the examination or to produce his books, papers, or other documents when ordered to do so, or if he refuses to answer any question held pertinent by the court, he may be punished for contempt."

          Are you saying this punishment does not include arrest and/or bail? What are the punishments for civil contempt in MS, as allowed in 13-1-271 above?
          “When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis

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            #6
            What people are trying to say is that if you get a judgment against you and are asked to go back to court for a hearing (in MA I believe this is called the notice to show cause?). IF YOU DON'T SHOW UP TO THE HEARING a capias warrant can be issued to have you physically brought in to the court house to go over you assets and income as well as cash on hand.

            Moral of the story: If you get an invitation to the court house GO or you are in contempt of court!

            If I am wrong on my understanding please correct me...
            Still learning all of this, but glad I've found this site! Thank you all for your advice and patience!

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              #7
              Originally posted by HMT View Post
              If I am wrong on my understanding please correct me...
              You are completely correct. And you cannot go to jail for simply not paying a debt.

              See the Topic of the same title in the General Talk forum for more discussion. Also see the Collection Forum sticky topic - "Get A Judgment- Go To Jail?" for pointers to even longer threads where this myth was beaten to death in multiple pages of posts.
              “When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis

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                #8
                Originally posted by MSbklawyer View Post
                The Southern states, being more enlightened and civilized, outlawed debt imprisonment nearly 200 years ago. Here is Mississippi's treatment of the subject:
                http://www.sos.state.ms.us/pubs/cons...nstitution.asp
                Hear! Hear!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by WhatMoney View Post
                  The article is about being jailed w/ bail for Contempt of Court. It is NOT about being jailed for debt, which is against the law in every state.
                  I didn't read it that way. Contempt of court is punished by a monetary fine for a fixed amount or a certain number of days in jail. Certain types of contempt result in the debtor being jailed until he complies with an order of the court. But this article, if it is to be believed, says that the people are jailed until they post bail in an amount equal to the debt and then the bail money is given to the creditor.

                  I fully understand the distinction between being jailed for debt and being jailed for contempt in a suit related to a debt. But the article says:
                  In Illinois and southwest Indiana, some judges jail debtors for missing court-ordered debt payments. In extreme cases, people stay in jail until they raise a minimum payment. In January, a judge sentenced a Kenney, Ill., man "to indefinite incarceration" until he came up with $300 toward a lumber yard debt.
                  If that doesn't amount to imprisonment for debt -- go to jail until the debt is paid; when it is paid you can get out -- I don't know what does. Maybe the article is a bunch of BS; I don't know.

                  MSbklawyer,

                  Are you claiming Mississippi has no laws that allow for Civil Contempt of Court?
                  Or that MS has no penalties for a Contempt of Court order from a state court?

                  Because that is what this article from MN is about - Contempt of Court, and the civil penalties for contempt, including an arrest warrant.
                  No, we definitely have laws for contempt: Civil, criminal, direct and indirect contempt. But they are punished as described above: X number of days in jail, a fine, or jail until a court order is complied with. But the fine goes to the court, not the creditor.

                  To my way of thinking, when a judge puts you in jail indefinitely until you pay a creditor money, that is imprisonment for debt. You can call that practice by any name you like. But a rose by any other name is just the same. . . to use the old saw.

                  What is your source for saying that imprisonment for debt is agaist the law in every state? I don't know that to be a fact. Here's what wikki says about it :

                  United States
                  In 1833 the United States abolished Federal imprisonment for unpaid debts,[4] and most states outlawed the practice around the same time.[5][6] Before then, the use of debtor's prisons was widespread; signatories to the Declaration of Independence, James Wilson & Robert Morris were both later incarcerated, as were 2,000 New Yorkers annually by 1816. Sometimes, imprisonment would result from less than sixty-cents worth of debt.[7]

                  It is still possible to be incarcerated for debt, though this may be unconstitutional unless the court finds that the debtor actually possesses the means to pay.[8][9]

                  The constitutions of the U.S. states of Tennessee and Oklahoma forbid civil imprisonment for debts.[10]
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors...#United_States (emphasis mine)
                  Last edited by MSbklawyer; 06-10-2010, 03:31 AM.
                  Pay no attention to anything I post. I graduated last in my class from a fly-by-night law school that no longer exists; I never studied or went to class; and I only post on internet forums when I'm too drunk to crawl away from the computer.

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                    #10
                    In Illinois and southwest Indiana, some judges jail debtors for missing court-ordered debt payments. In extreme cases, people stay in jail until they raise a minimum payment. In January, a judge sentenced a Kenney, Ill., man "to indefinite incarceration" until he came up with $300 toward a lumber yard debt.
                    I think that part of the article is BS, at least to the extent that no details of why someone could get "indefinite incarceration" for debt. There are obscure statutes in some states where after a debtor has completed the interrogation exam, the judgment creditor is still convinced the debtor is lying and hiding assets. If the judgment creditor can convince the court the debtor committed perjury and is fraudulently hiding assets, with proof of these accusations of fraud, then the judge may jail the debtor until he pays up.

                    But the risk here is a giant counter suit for false arrest and incarceration if the debtor actually had no assets and was telling the truth. There are a few cases like that floating around. The debtor runs around in his Roll Royce Silver Shadow, lives in a 10 million dollar mansion, eats in five star restaurants, and claims to have no non exempt assets. But that is quite different than the debtors in this article in MN who all were arrested for contempt of court for failure to appear at a court ordered interrogatory, and released after they paid the bail or filled out the interrogatory. The sloppy wording of the article, "arrested for failure to respond to a judgment debt", is simply wrong. Sometime they get it right and then use the wrong phrasing again later in the article.
                    Last edited by WhatMoney; 06-10-2010, 03:34 AM.
                    “When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis

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                      #11
                      Here we go again.........

                      If we're going to start placing people in prison for debt, might I suggest that we go to DC and round up the 535 + 1 and start with them?
                      All information contained in this post is for informational and amusement purposes only.
                      Bankruptcy is a process, not an event.......

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                        #12


                        Wow....that's just unreal (the article)....

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by NHC View Post


                          Wow....that's just unreal (the article)....
                          What's unreal about it? They all ignored court orders to appear and received Contempt of Court citations as a result. The next step is to issue civil arrest warrants, and a few were caught and arrested. Perfectly normal legal procedure. No one was arrested for debt. Did you think when you repeatedly ignore court orders to appear that nothing happens?

                          Some debtors move out of state and hide their location and identity to avoid arrest warrants from another state. They did not want to reveal their non-exempt assets to the judgment holder, because they did not want to pay the judgment, even though they could afford to. This is the case in most of these contempt cases. If you were honest you would fill out the asset interrogatory as required by law, and take whatever legal moves you could to protect your assets after the interrogatory.
                          Last edited by WhatMoney; 06-10-2010, 02:54 PM.
                          “When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis

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                            #14
                            Another article about the Star article:

                            http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzon...iled-for-debt/
                            “When fascism comes to America, it’ll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” — Sinclair Lewis

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                              #15
                              MSbklawyer said: To my way of thinking, when a judge puts you in jail indefinitely until you pay a creditor money, that is imprisonment for debt. You can call that practice by any name you like. But a rose by any other name is just the same. . . to use the old saw.

                              This is very frightening....very frightening.

                              To me, it is still unreal. WhatMoney, the problem with what you say is what the attorney has noted above, and what I might add too much power being given to officials who can easily abuse an inequitable process. Inequitable in the sense that it is too easy for folks to do whatever they like to achieve a desired result. Life is just not as "clean" as you have painted.

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