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    Pre-Trial Hearing Outcome

    Well, we had our pre-trial hearing in the judge's chambers this morning. We were there with the judge, our lawyer, and our Ch 13 trustee to try and reach a compromise on the trustee's two objections to our plan. One objection is about whether repaying my husband's retirement loans can be added to our current monthly retirement contributions (paying the loans back puts us over the 5% each allowed by our bk district); and the other is the mismatch between Schedule I and J which appears to show our monthly payment should be about $300/month higher than it currently is.

    Meeting went very cordially - we were all gathered around a conference table in a small conference room, not in the courtroom itself. Our lawyer had prepared a brief and submitted it to the judge and our trustee earlier this week explaining our positions on both objections and citing case law to back everything up. Judge asked the trustee some questions, the trustee answered with his position, then our lawyer rebutted with our position. Lots of lawyer-ese and would have been impossible to follow if I hadn't been doing so much research for months about bankruptcy.

    When all the legal discussions were over, the trustee has agreed that until further notice we will continue to pay our current monthly payment. Also we will become the test case in our bk district for the mismatch between Schedule I and J. The trustee wants to file a brief promoting their position that we should owe more - the judge gave them 20 days to do that, then our lawyer will have 10 days to respond. Our lawyer said not to hold our breath - this next phase is likely to take several more months at least before we get a court date. My husband and I did not have to say one word during the entire 15 minute meeting.

    The one surprise of the meeting - as we were leaving, I said thank you to the trustee and the judge. The judge then said "Hope you have a good day" and "You have a very good lawyer." Wow....it was amazing to hear my own impression of our lawyer matched by the judge who will be hearing our case at some point in the future. Gives me confidence that our interests will be represented well in court no matter which way things go in the future.

    For now we're still hanging out in limbo making our same monthly payments to the trustee....case still not confirmed but one step closer.
    I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice nor a statement of the law - only a lawyer can provide those.

    06/01/06 - Filed Ch 13
    06/28/06 - 341 Meeting
    07/18/06 - Confirmation Hearing - not confirmed, 3 objections
    10/05/06 - Hearing to resolve 2 trustee objections
    01/24/07 - Judge dismisses mortgage company objection
    09/27/07 - Confirmed at last!
    06/10/11 - Trustee confirms all payments made
    08/10/11 - DISCHARGED !

    10/02/11 - CASE CLOSED
    Countdown: 60 months paid, 0 months to go

    #2
    Congratulations, but I would be scrared as crap to be a test case. Good luck with it all.
    Chapter 13 Filed 4/03/06 :blink: 341 Meeting Complete 5/11/06 :yes2:
    Plan Confirmation 6/16/06 :yahoo:
    Discharged: 1/5/2010 :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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      #3
      Originally posted by aa06a47 View Post
      Congratulations, but I would be scrared as crap to be a test case. Good luck with it all.
      Trust me, aa - I am living my own worst bk nightmare. I so wanted us to be one of those open and shut Ch 13 cases - "See you in five years." That was not to be.

      However, with the most recent case decisions mostly going our direction, our lawyer is confident we have a good chance to prevail here and help a lot of other people caught in the same predicament as we are. Time will tell. The waiting frustrates me to no end, but am hanging on for dear life hoping the bk waves eventually will toss us back up on shore waterlogged but confirmed!

      Thanks for the support - it helps a lot right now.
      I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice nor a statement of the law - only a lawyer can provide those.

      06/01/06 - Filed Ch 13
      06/28/06 - 341 Meeting
      07/18/06 - Confirmation Hearing - not confirmed, 3 objections
      10/05/06 - Hearing to resolve 2 trustee objections
      01/24/07 - Judge dismisses mortgage company objection
      09/27/07 - Confirmed at last!
      06/10/11 - Trustee confirms all payments made
      08/10/11 - DISCHARGED !

      10/02/11 - CASE CLOSED
      Countdown: 60 months paid, 0 months to go

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        #4
        I woulda been so scared going into that meeting, Lrprn!

        I can't even begin to imagine how you feel.

        Do you feel like Daniel Boone or Lewis and Clark?? Charting new territory for all those that follow??!!
        Filed Ch 7 - 09/06
        Discharged - 12/2006
        Officially Declared No Asset - 03/2007
        Closed - 04/2007

        I am not an attorney. My comments are based on personal experience and research. Always consult an attorney in your area to address concerns related to your particular situation.

        Another good thing about being poor is that when you are seventy your children will not have declared you legally insane in order to gain control of your estate. - Woody Allen...

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          #5
          Originally posted by SinkingFast View Post
          Do you feel like Daniel Boone or Lewis and Clark?? Charting new territory for all those that follow??!!
          If Daniel Boone or Lewis and Clark were so anxious they were near tears when embarking on their explorations, then yes, I feel just like them! LOL! I was fighting back tears while we waited our turn to go into the judge's chambers. Talking with our lawyer helped a lot - I'm really glad he's so calm and matter of fact.

          Frankly while listening to the lawyers present their positions to the judge, I realized that this really has nothing to do with us personally - we're just a good illustration for several points of law that after BAPCPA need to be clarified in our district. We're just the convenient best case at hand, that's all. I'd be a lot more nervous if we had tried to fudge on our forms, but everything is on the up and up and completely defensible with real figures and receipts if we do get challenged. That gives me a lot of peace of mind. Also it really helped to hear the judge say we have a very good lawyer as well!

          I'm sure I'll need periodic hand-holding during the coming months - so glad you all are here for me!
          I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice nor a statement of the law - only a lawyer can provide those.

          06/01/06 - Filed Ch 13
          06/28/06 - 341 Meeting
          07/18/06 - Confirmation Hearing - not confirmed, 3 objections
          10/05/06 - Hearing to resolve 2 trustee objections
          01/24/07 - Judge dismisses mortgage company objection
          09/27/07 - Confirmed at last!
          06/10/11 - Trustee confirms all payments made
          08/10/11 - DISCHARGED !

          10/02/11 - CASE CLOSED
          Countdown: 60 months paid, 0 months to go

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