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    Maybe a 13 would be better?

    I've posted the gory details before but here's a rundown. We just moved from FL (where we were going to file a 7) to IN. We decided to hire a local lawyer and file here. Well, I start my calling around and threw a few lawyers out of the list without even meeting them - just things I didn't like. I found one that I really felt comfortable with and was surprised when he told me the following:
    "A Chapter 13 might be better for you than a 7".

    Now, I've been reading these boards a lot and wanted to make sure that he just wasn't fishing for a bigger paycheck but I ask him to explain. He said,
    #1) You owe $15K in backtaxes to the IRS, which you pay $263/month
    #2) You owe $5K in a student loan, which you pay $75/month.
    #3) You are current on your car AND you rent a house.
    #4) You have no assets to speak of
    #5) You are carrying almost $150K in CC debt, personal loans, etc.
    In a Chapter 13, the interest and penalties on your IRS bill and your student loans is frozen. They are considered priority debts so they will get paid first in a 60 month plan and when they are paid, only then will unsecured debt get paid. At the rate you are going with the IRS, it will take you forever to pay them back with all the interest and monthly penalties. Why not file for 13, pay the monthly bill to the court, which will pay the IRS/student loan and be done with it a lot sooner?"

    I replied with, "yes, but what would you think my payment plan would be?" He said that he was figuring $200-500 a month because we are a smidgeon over the median income. If that's true, then it's not a heck of a lot more than I am paying now to the IRS and student loans and WELL within our comfort (we live VERY modestly nowadays).

    Any thoughts on this? Does any of this ring true or false to anyone?

    #2
    Sometimes a 13 is better. It sounds like your situation is one of those times. PLease be sure to talk to more than one attorney before you decide to file. It's good to find one that is expieneced with 13's if that's the route you decide to go.
    Filed Chapter 13 05/23/08
    Converted to Chapter 7 Jan 2012
    Discharged April 2012

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      #3
      One of the times that Ch 13 makes sense is when there's a high tax bill involved - I'd say $15K is high enough to take seriously . Definitely explore Ch 13 - it could be the best answer for you in the long run for the exact reasons the lawyer explained to you. Those are legitimate reasons to consider a 13 given the financial information you've shared.
      I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice nor a statement of the law - only a lawyer can provide those.

      06/01/06 - Filed Ch 13
      06/28/06 - 341 Meeting
      07/18/06 - Confirmation Hearing - not confirmed, 3 objections
      10/05/06 - Hearing to resolve 2 trustee objections
      01/24/07 - Judge dismisses mortgage company objection
      09/27/07 - Confirmed at last!
      06/10/11 - Trustee confirms all payments made
      08/10/11 - DISCHARGED !

      10/02/11 - CASE CLOSED
      Countdown: 60 months paid, 0 months to go

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        #4
        Yep, this attorney is giving you sound advice.

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          #5
          Yes the attorney did an awesome job. I am in achapt 13 with a tax bill... Is best way to go...... no interest penalties......

          If in a chapt 7 you still have to pay irs but you get interest and penalties this way.....
          take the lawyers advice for the 13 he is telling you 100% correct
          Started in Chapt 13 Switched to Chapt 7 Discharged 2009 Dec.........Filed New Chapt 13 in 2010 to deal with new surgery bill and stripped second mortgage! The story continues

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            #6
            For what year(s) do you owe the back taxes?

            Did you file returns for those years (and just not pay)?

            Did you just file returns for prior years and did you file them late? If so, were the returns filed more than two years ago?

            These are the types of questions that need to be asked. Depending on the answers, it may be that you could just wait a while, and then file a chapter 7 to totally discharge the back taxes.

            (Although, with that much credit card debt, it sounds like you're drowning already and may not be able to wait).

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