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New FICO guidelines.....

sassiebaz
09-04-2009, 10:46 AM
September 4, 2009

The new math of FICO credit scores

Those with small blemishes on their record should benefit from the FICO 08 scoring change, while high-risk borrowers and those who "piggyback" are the likely losers.

Even the most responsible borrowers slip up sometimes.

Learn more about FICO 08

Maybe a utility bill went unpaid after you moved and the missed payment went into collections. Or perhaps there are unpaid library fines or parking tickets in collections that are hanging onto your credit history and affecting your FICO credit score , which is widely used.

With the newest version of the FICO credit-scoring system, however, minor delinquencies are now overlooked in calculating creditworthiness.

Under the updated scoring model, called FICO 08, small missed payments lingering in collections with original amounts of $100 or less will no longer do damage to your credit score.

Consumers also are less likely to be penalized for any single delinquency if it occurred two or more years ago -- and if their credit history is otherwise unblemished, says FICO (formerly Fair Isaac), which developed the FICO scoring system.

"There's more flexibility with missing a payment," said Careen Foster, the director of global scoring product management for FICO. "If you have a more habitual pattern of paying accounts late . . . you're more likely to get penalized for that."

If a consumer's credit usage is high, that will be more likely to hurt his or her score with FICO 08. But getting close to your credit-card limits -- even if you always pay on time -- is penalized in some way in every FICO score, not only the recent edition, Foster said. The new system has been available at all three credit bureaus -- Experian, TransUnion and Equifax -- since last month.

The changes were made to provide lenders with a better risk assessment of borrowers, said John Ulzheimer, the president of consumer education for Credit.com, a consumer education and advocacy site. FICO decided that one small library fine didn't really predict whether a consumer was likely to default, for example.

With the changes, individuals who pose a low credit risk will probably see their scores rise a bit, and those who are high risk could see their scores drop, he adds.

FICO 08 also addresses "piggybacking," a practice used by credit-repair companies to help people improve their scores, Ulzheimer said. In piggybacking, an individual pays to become an authorized user on a stranger's account. The account holder gets paid for allowing the person to be associated with the account, and the new authorized user is able to improve his or her credit score.

"It was a practice to . . . misrepresent what your credit looks like to your bank," Foster said.

FICO 08 aims to single out individuals who are named as authorized sources through deceptive means, Ulzheimer said. Those people won't see their credit scores rise as a result. But the scores of legitimate authorized users will be treated as they always have been.

Not all lenders use the model

Borrowers shouldn't expect their credit to be graded by this new scale on every loan application. Not all lenders have adopted the new model, though more than 400 lenders are using or testing FICO 08, the company said.
In a statement, Equifax said, "Currently, many lenders and businesses are validating the new score within their systems, and adoption will vary by financial institution based on business requirements and market need."

Many credit-card companies, auto lenders, regional banks and credit unions may have already adopted FICO 08, Ulzheimer said. But for mortgages, lenders doing traditional conforming loans backed by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae likely haven't made the move yet, he said. That's because they're waiting for Freddie and Fannie to approve its use. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae "are essentially the lender . . . they're the ones that set the underwriting criteria," he said.

Ulzheimer said he expects Freddie and Fannie to adopt FICO 08 by the end of the year. Fannie declined to comment on FICO 08; Freddie wasn't able to provide a comment prior to publication.

Be proactive about your credit

While FICO 08 will help consumers' credit scores in some cases, people still should take steps to improve their credit. Granted, it's impossible for consumers to calculate their FICO scores themselves, said Rodney Anderson, of Rodney Anderson Lending Services in Plano, Texas.

"It's almost like the Coca-Cola formula. No one has access to the Coca-Cola formula, no one has access to the FICO formula," he said.

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But by being proactive, you can start to work toward a higher score, something that will serve you well every time you apply for a loan.
Some suggestions:

• Monitor your credit reports and correct errors. Don't just look for negative events on your record; also examine your credit limits to make sure they're accurate. Credit limits that appear lower on the report than they actually are have the potential to hurt your score, Anderson said.

• Pay bills on time and keep card balances low. Your payment history, and the amount you owe on your accounts as a ratio of the amount of credit you have access to, are important components of your score, Foster said. FICO 08 is more sensitive to high credit usage, and consumers may see a lower score if their reported balance on one or more cards is near the account's limit.

• Take on new credit only when you need it. Some credit cards come with great offers, including a percentage off your bill if you sign up at the cash register. If you accept, make sure you're getting a big enough benefit to make it worthwhile -- taking on additional credit could end up dinging your score, Foster said.

This article was reported by Amy Hoak for MarketWatch.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Banking/YourCreditRating/the-new-math-of-FICO-credit-scores.aspx

justbroke
09-04-2009, 11:55 AM
I had seen this reported earlier this year. Means nothing for me. :)

sassiebaz
09-04-2009, 02:43 PM
I'm not sure if it means anything for me, but It still caught my attention.

killinstinct
09-07-2009, 07:30 AM
I believe this is one small step, 'credit' as we know it is in for big changes!

StartingOver08
09-07-2009, 07:49 AM
I am beginning to believe that the only reason to have a good score is to get more credit/debt. You don't need a good score to pay CASH. (paraphrased from Dave Ramsay)

killinstinct
09-07-2009, 01:52 PM
I am beginning to believe that the only reason to have a good score is to get more credit/debt. You don't need a good score to pay CASH. (paraphrased from Dave Ramsay)

I guess it only matters in the sense of renting a decent place, getting decent insurance rates, etc. then. However, it seems that landlords at least are becoming more liberal in this area as vacancy rates are so high right now. I was really worried about finding a decent place to move my family.

optimistic1
09-11-2009, 07:44 AM
My FICO is trashed, I could care less about credit.

IBroke
09-11-2009, 10:41 AM
my fico is trashed, i could care less about credit.

+1

banca rotta
09-11-2009, 06:28 PM
I am beginning to believe that the only reason to have a good score is to get more credit/debt. You don't need a good score to pay CASH. (paraphrased from Dave Ramsay)


He's also correct calling it a "debt score" and not a credit score since you need tons of debt and for long periods of time in order to have a good score.

I personally could care less about the credit score. Too bad too many people such as landlords, insurance companies and employers worship it.

momisery
09-11-2009, 10:57 PM
I will be 60 in 6 months and I have spent a lifetime keeping good credit. I was so proud of my score of almost 800! I was never late, not one bounced check.. and now... I AM A CREDIT DEADBEAT!

My point is that it can happen to anyone, so for banks for businesses to think that your above it all because you score is so high is nutty. This could happen to anyone out there, except the very wealthy I guess, they would simply get away with it.

Insurance does it just to make more money off of you. But landlords and employers hire potential BK people everyday.. so what makes them so much better than those who ran out of luck?

killinstinct
09-12-2009, 12:27 AM
I will be 60 in 6 months and I have spent a lifetime keeping good credit. I was so proud of my score of almost 800! I was never late, not one bounced check.. and now... I AM A CREDIT DEADBEAT!

Like the saying goes, &*^$% happens.

I'm in my mid-30's and trying to learn the tough lesson that what you have and how you look on paper (i.e. credit score) does not have anything to do with who you are. It is not important.

Someone else mentioned on this forum it won't be inscribed on your tomb that you were a good bill-payer.

Well put.