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    Car dealers failing to pay off trade-ins, burdening buyers

    February 1, 2009

    The national wave of auto dealership closures has come crashing down on thousands of people who are on the hook for used-car loans that dealers were supposed to absolve.

    When a car buyer still owes money on a vehicle he is trading in, the dealer promises to pay off the outstanding loan, then resells the vehicle. But as more dealers go out of business, some are sticking consumers with the bill. Lenders can then go after the previous owner who thought the debt was paid, or repossess the car from the new owner who assumed it came with clear title.

    "It's devastating for people when it happens because they have two car payments and they can't afford them," said Rosemary Shahan, president of Consumers for Auto Reliability and Safety, a Sacramento-based nonprofit that lobbies on behalf of vehicle owners. "Their credit is destroyed for no fault of their own because the dealer defaulted."

    Regulators in California and other states, including Florida, Iowa and Washington, are seeing a surge in consumer complaints. They warn the problem is sure to grow this year because of the deepening recession and continued trouble in the auto industry.

    About a quarter of all car buyers are vulnerable because they still owe money on their trade-in or lease when they buy another vehicle, according to industry tracker Edmunds.com. It's become more common for a driver to owe money on a trade-in as people stretch their car payments over six or seven years to make them more affordable.

    Inga and Brian Randle of Elk Grove, a Sacramento suburb, are among those who got burned.

    In 2006, they bought two 2001 Mercedes vehicles, a CLK430 convertible and an E320 sedan, finding out afterward that the small Sacramento dealer had not paid off the previous owners' liens.

    Creditors called, and the Randles found they owed $40,000 on the old loans.

    "I stopped paying on both of those loans because I couldn't afford to keep paying. It's a huge stain on my credit — and I had very good credit," Inga Randle said. "Our life has really been affected by what's going on here."

    The Randles now drive 15-year-old vehicles they own outright. Brian Randle is working more overtime to rebuild their savings, and the couple has been dragged into the dealership's bankruptcy proceedings.

    A few states have programs that require dealers to post substantial insurance bonds to repay victimized car buyers. Consumers in states with no such program, or a poorly funded one, have little recourse but to sue and hope for at least a small slice of the assets if the dealer has filed for bankruptcy.

    Authorities have brought charges in rare cases where they have proof of intentional wrongdoing, but local prosecutors, motor vehicle departments and state attorneys general are paying more attention as the problem grows.

    California state Sen. Ellen Corbett, a Democrat from San Leandro, has introduced legislation that would require dealers to prove they are paying off a vehicle's lien before transferring the title. That's already a requirement in some states, said Jason King, spokesman for the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators.

    Corbett's bill would require auto dealers to post bonds as high as $250,000 with the California Department of Motor Vehicles so liens could be paid off if a dealership collapses.

    "It's becoming a serious problem because the consumer, through no fault of their own, may be facing financial ruin just because they purchased a car," Corbett said.

    California is hit particularly hard because it has the nation's largest auto market, more dealers going out of business, and more buyers who owe money on their trade-ins.

    DMV spokesman Mike Marando said the agency had 319 open investigations on dealers for failing to pay off liens or register a vehicle as of December, up from about 200 cases at the same time a year ago. It fielded 1,655 vehicle-transfer complaints against dealers from July to September, nearly double the number of consumer complaints for the same period in 2007.

    Complaints also are rising in Florida.

    Between March 1 and Sept. 1, 2008, Florida officials deemed valid 103 complaints regarding auto dealers' delinquent loan payments. By comparison, there were 37 confirmed complaints during the same period in 2007.

    Florida also received more than 1,886 confirmed complaints of delays in title transfers during that five-month period in 2008, compared with 900 a year earlier, said Ann Nucatola, spokeswoman for the state's motor vehicle department.

    Data regarding auto loan defaults are not compiled nationally, but other states have similar problems, according to the National Automobile Dealers Association, National Consumer Law Center, prosecutors and private attorneys who are suing bankrupt dealerships.

    Washington state created a task force in October after an agency that oversees dealer licenses saw a 4 percent increase in complaints against dealers who failed to transfer titles.

    Officials are having trouble helping consumers who still owe money on trade-in vehicles if a dealer defaults, said Mary Lobdell, an assistant attorney general for the state. For now, they are advising consumers to hire attorneys and seek a share of the dealer's $30,000 bond.

    "The problem is once they've gone out of business, there's no money. You can't get blood from a turnip," Lobdell said.

    Nevada Department of Transportation investigator Gordon Rogers said he is dealing with about four cases a month, double the number of a year ago.

    More than 5,000 new and used car dealerships closed nationwide last year, according to industry groups. That includes 450 in California.

    "Unfortunately, with this economy, we can expect to see a growing number of dealers go out of business in the next year," said Iowa Assistant Attorney General Bill Brauch, who heads the National Association of Attorneys General auto working group. "I think there are going to be problems around the country with consumers having to be made whole and consumers having to eat significant costs."

    Iowa, like California, requires dealers to post a $50,000 bond, but some states' bonds are as low as $5,000. Even $50,000 is often too little to cover defaults, Brauch said.

    California lawmakers took an extra step by creating a Consumer Recovery Fund in 2007, with money coming from a $1 fee on each vehicle sold. Ohio, Virginia and West Virginia also have restitution funds, according to the National Consumer Law Center and the Ohio attorney general's office.

    But California's fund cannot be used yet because the state is still forming the agency that will consider claims and distribute the money.

    Consumers are left to sue the dealer, which typically has declared bankruptcy and has no money to reclaim, said Armando Botello, a spokesman for the California DMV. He said the state can suspend the dealer's license or refer the dealer to local prosecutors but cannot recover buyers' money.

    Before they land in trouble, used-car buyers should insist on seeing a vehicle's title to make sure it has no liens, consumer advocates say. They also say buyers offering trade-ins should first pay off the loan themselves if possible, or deal only with high-volume dealers who are part of a larger auto group and thus are less likely to fold.

    "You've got to check out the dealer's financial health as best you can if you're going to let them handle your vehicle resale," said Jesse Toprak, executive director of automobile industry analysis for Edmunds.

    URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28965129/?GT1=43001
    Source: MSNBC
    The Associated Press
    Last edited by Flamingo; 02-02-2009, 03:46 AM. Reason: To conform with forum posting rules
    My comments are solely based on my opinion. The information and links that I have
    posted are provided solely for informational purposes, and do not constitute legal advice

    #2
    Why am I not surprised to hear about this?
    Golden Jubilee was a year-long celebration held every 50 years in which all bondmen were freed, mortgaged lands were restored to the original owners, and land was left fallow: Lev. 25:8-17

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      #3
      I despise car dealers. There are very few who are good and honest. The manufacturer's dealers can be as bad if not worse than the shoddy dealers.

      I hope they all go bankrupt. I went in for a service and they quoted me $250 service for a car with 15 miles. Surprisingly after I asked for the manufacturers service schedule, it dropped to $130 which included taxes, a state inspection and new air filters.

      I would like the option of purchasing directly from the manufacturer. It would save both of us money.
      My comments are solely based on my opinion. The information and links that I have
      posted are provided solely for informational purposes, and do not constitute legal advice

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        #4
        Car dealers are not much different then snake oil sales people.
        Golden Jubilee was a year-long celebration held every 50 years in which all bondmen were freed, mortgaged lands were restored to the original owners, and land was left fallow: Lev. 25:8-17

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          #5
          I never waste money$ on any new car service, I maintained all cars by myself,

          Service is a dealers' business. Without service$$, they'll go bankrupt!

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            #6
            I have a car that is 19 years old,and am hoping it runs 3-5 more years before replacing it , with probably another 10 year old car .

            I have actually owned this car longer than any other I have.

            This is horrible though that the dealers are doing this. Seems they should be criminally charged for selling property they did not own in these cases. I mean its much like fencing goods....
            May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
            July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
            September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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              #7
              It is fraud, plain and simple. But being nobody is overseaing a lot of this, they get away with it. People can file a complaint with the Attorney General's office but they generally do not do very much if anything. We have laws, etc. but when the laws can not be enforced, we end up with what we have today.
              Golden Jubilee was a year-long celebration held every 50 years in which all bondmen were freed, mortgaged lands were restored to the original owners, and land was left fallow: Lev. 25:8-17

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                #8
                I just hope these dealers do not get any bailout. They are one of few industries that is pretty much legally allowed to shaft customers without any legal repercussions. If you don't know what you are doing they will financially eat you alive. This incident is just another example of the way they operate.
                My comments are solely based on my opinion. The information and links that I have
                posted are provided solely for informational purposes, and do not constitute legal advice

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                  #9
                  I hate car dealers. They do not deserve to get bailed out since they've been legally ripping off the unsuspecting consumer for years. Criminal charges should be filed for what they are able to get away with. I have no sympathy for them at all. As usual, buyer beware!!!!
                  Filed Chapter 7 (Primarily Business Expenses) 04/10/2008 FICO 468 :cry:
                  341 on 05/06/08:unsure:House appraisal on day 63:blink: 07/10/2008 Discharged-Asset Case!!!:yahoo:08/09 Transu 559, Equifax 636, Experian 647
                  Case Closed 07/15/2009 :D:yahoo:

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by southernbelle View Post
                    I hate car dealers. They do not deserve to get bailed out since they've been legally ripping off the unsuspecting consumer for years. Criminal charges should be filed for what they are able to get away with. I have no sympathy for them at all. As usual, buyer beware!!!!
                    They are basically legalized racketeering. One of few consumer industries left that are allowed to operate like they do and get away with it. A $40 cell phone plan has more regulation than they do. Whereas we are talking tens of thousands of dollars here.

                    They can rip you off on the sale, rip you off on the trade-in and rip you off on the finance. The dealers walk away with thousands in profits while the consumers ends up with debt and a bad deal they cannot get out of.

                    The dealer industry was setup after WWII and definitely needs to be brought into the 21 century. The easiest way to do that is regulate them and impose huge fines deterring any unethical behavior.
                    My comments are solely based on my opinion. The information and links that I have
                    posted are provided solely for informational purposes, and do not constitute legal advice

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                      #11
                      A chevy dealer here in Lakeland Fl did this on 100's of cars and owner is in Jail now.
                      chpt 7 ,5-2009

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Floridagail View Post
                        A chevy dealer here in Lakeland Fl did this on 100's of cars and owner is in Jail now.
                        Well good for the owner he deserves to be in jail. They should seize his assets and use it to pay off the loans.
                        May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
                        July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
                        September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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                          #13
                          I had this exact thing happen to me in 1975 when I was 19 years old. I traded in a car for a van to a used car dealer on harbor blvd. My dad had to co-sign, and lo and behold several weeks later, we get this call from Chrysler credit wanting to know where the payment was on the car I traded in. chrysler eventually repo'ed the car from the dealers lot, and dad loaned me some $$ so we could get it back from chrysler and not ruin our credit. The dealer went to jail,as it was uncovered he had done this many more times, and my dad had to testify at his trial
                          Stopped Paying CC's 2/2009. Retained Attorney 1/10/2010 Filed 1/23/2010. Discharged 5/19/10 $187K CC, $240K 2nd,$417K 1st, No asset Ch-7

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