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    #46
    Originally posted by mike9302
    No matter what my age I think that is some advice. My whole reason for posting is I am asking why would you want to go right back to credit cards after getting a fresh start. To say I am not gonna listen to someone because of there age is ignorant and being closed minded. Just because your older does not mean your smarter or better. But without being attacked think about this for a second. Some people say they need credit cards to live of of because they dont make enough. Well that is a temporary solution. You buy 100 worth of stuff on the card this month and make a 10.00 payment. Sure you got by fine and made the payment. Now the next month you but another 100.00 and now owe that 100 plus probably still 95 from the previous month from only making the minimum payment now your minimum may go up and it is a chain reaction. you factor in extra things that may come up and you all the sudden have a large balance on a credit card. Now god forbid you make a late payment. Your intrest will go up 18-22% and they will whack on a 30 late payment fee. Now some people will go out when that card reaches it max and get another and eventually get so far in the hole they cant get out. My poing is why not learn to live on what you make. If you want more you gotta work for it or you got to find ways to cut costs. Say if you make 50,000 a year and get approved for a house up to 125,000 dont go for the max loan like most would do. Try going for maybe 75,000. Now I know housing is higher in most places but that is just an example. Think to yourself do you really need all those extra features on you phone or do you need 300 channels with a digital box for cable? Sure things are going up faster than pay but there is nothing you can really do about it but find ways to cut costs and do some side work if possible. I know I do. Hell I fix people brakes on there cars, do tune ups and other minor work and make some decent money from time to time. I may be cheap but I am not broke and I got out of the credit card trap and will never go back again and will learn to live on what I make. Go ahead and bash me because but I am sure there will be a couple who will think for a minute about ways to save money and think maybe he is right on a couple of things.
    Do you have problems with reading comprehension or ADD? You are obviously not reading and comprehending what is on this board. And just because we're older doesn't make us smarter or better; however, we do have more experience in the real world which can only be gained with time.

    1) You don't answer the question asked--why do you come to this board when you are not in BK or having financial issues? You are not coming from a position of experience or authority.

    2) Look what people are doing to rebuild their credit and why they are doing it. Sooner or later, most will need a car and it is sometimes very difficult to save up and pay for it in full ahead of time. So they are preparing for their best options (i.e. lowest percentage rate which will only come with high FICO scores.) And you just are not getting how people are spending on their new credit and how good credit scores are built. Say, for example, you get a $500 credit card. The optimal way to build credit is only to charge 20-30% of the max. Thus, someone will charge 20% of 500, or $100 on necessary items. It would seem logical to pay it off in full every month, but that is not the way the dang FICO scores work, plus, some cc companies actually increase your interest rate if you never carry a balance so that they can get some money out of you when you finally do carry a balance. So, prior to the bill being due (we know late payments will kill us) you pay off $90 of that $100 balance. So you end up paying some measily little amount in interest on $10 a month. But next month you charge your $100, have a balance of $110 and payoff $100. By carrying that tiny $10 balance your credit score increases a lot faster.

    3) No one is denying that anyones post-BK experiences will be any better than their pre-BK life if they don't adjust their lifestyle and/or increase their income to live within their means. However, for a lot of them, that just might not even be necessary since CC debt is not why they got into BK in the first place.

    (a) I hope it never happens to you, but you can have decent medical insurance and still find yourself in BK. Imagine a serious medical condition, such as a heart attack, where first you are life-flighted to the nearest ER, have emergency surgery, spend days in ICU, and months in rehab. Or have a premature baby that spends weeks if not months in the hospital fighting for it's life and then spends years afterwards with special occupational and physical therapy needs to try to get to the level of other peers. Heaven forbid someone needs an organ transplant. Now, that wonderful medical policy doesn't seem as wonderful when you are stuck with 20% of the bill. That million dollar cap on your policy--you'll go over that really easily if you are a transplant recipient and need to take anti-rejection drugs the rest of your life. Try having cancer that none of the traditional treatments are working so the doctor tries other combinations of things but the insurance company considers this experimental and does not cover them. (I won't even get into the whole issue of how health insurance is dictating treatment instead of the doctors. Now who has the MD again?)

    (b) Another leading cause of BK is divorce. If one person was financially irresponsible, the other couple could end up paying for it--especially if it was hidden from them. Hope you don't have to experience divorce, but besides being emotionally messy, it can be very financially messy.

    (c) Now, where would you be right now if you lost your job, couldn't find another one for 6-12 or more months and then had to take a 40% paycut? Guess what, this is real life!!! Around here, the kids couldn't find summer jobs because professionals who couldn't find work were out there flipping burgers, doing paper routes, and working the rides at Six Flags to keep any money coming into their homes.

    (d) Combine any of the above together and a below median income, and that leads to problems. Don't have time to look for the stats right now, but the average filer makes around $35K a year and has had one of the above situations happen to him/her.

    I feel like I'm beating a dead horse saying this at times; however, I have not disrespected you in anyway and am just trying to educate you in the reality that you are missing.
    Last edited by anonymuse; 07-18-2006, 05:53 AM.
    *** THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE--ONLY A LAWYER CAN PROVIDE THAT. ***

    My posts represent hours of research on and off the web, these forums, my experience, and my opinions.

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      #47
      ALL POINTS AND OPINIONS CONSIDERED,

      All of us have different lifestyles, different needs, and different values of what we need and want in our lives.

      Mike, looks thru the eyes of the young, (rosey red glasses) and has not experienced the hardships that many of us have had in our pasts. He has good ideas about HOW HE WANTS THINGS IN HIS LIFE....... and finds it hard to understand that the rest of us think differently then he does..... or cannot SEE what caused our problems (medical, funeral, hospital, job loss, etc)....

      DO NOT JUDGE HIM BADLY FOR THIS....... the young grow wiser as they get older.

      Personally, I hope he sticks to his "game plan" and I hope the future LETS HIM..... cash and carry is not all bad............. my dad was a cash a carry person...... no cash, no buy....... I was that way myself for many years.....

      Living from paycheck to paycheck as most of us do now is not easy..... especially if your a homeowner and things "break and tear up".....

      Trying to save money while "raising children" is almost impossible..... they always need something (dental, doctor, school, clothing, etc)..... Mike has not encountered any of this...... He's never "robbed Peter to pay Paul" with the family budget.....

      Society and the cost of everything right now can throw the best of us into a financial turmoil...... and we'll never see it coming at us...... Just one "unexpected problem" CAN SINK THE BOAT!!!

      Many of us return to credit card usage to boost our credit scores, that is the quickest way to build the credit score back up and develop a credit history again. Cash only will not do this...... as most of us know.

      Time and age educate us all in many ways..... we all have to go thru it..... hopefully down the road Mike will understand OUR SIDE OF THE STORY......

      Debate is GREAT on this site, lots of things to debate....... lets just not loose our "cool" while we're doing it, debate and "laugh" about it, and do not deliberately insult each other.......

      Play in the sandbox NICE.....................

      Minny
      Last edited by Minnymouth; 07-18-2006, 06:27 AM.
      Minny

      "It's amazing the paths that our feet sometimes follow in life".

      My suggestions are from "personal experience" and research only. Do not consider this as legal advice. Each bankruptcy case is different.

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        #48
        Well Minny, you took the words right out of my mouth....or should I have said, keyboard.....LOL!

        Listen Mike, I think it's great that you're able to make it on your own the way you have, but guess what, I was 24 years old once too, and I thought that this would have never happened to me. I'm sure most of us have heard about someone going through BK...maybe even someone close to us......and we probably thought it would never happen to us. Well unfortunately, you never know what life is going to throw at you. I don't know if we can explain it to you any better than we have.

        I'm all for a great debate as well, but is it really getting us anywhere? A debate is fine if the discussion has a purpose and a positive end result and everyone can get something out of it, but this???????????????
        Bankruptcy History:
        Chapter 7 filed - 10/12/2005 - Asset
        Discharged - 02/16/2006
        Case Closed - 11/08/2007

        A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining and wants it back the minute it begins to rain ~ Mark Twain

        All suggestions are based on personal experience and research and SHOULD NOT be construed as legal advice as I am NOT an attorney. Always consult with competent counsel in your area with regards to your particular situation.

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          #49
          Alright Alright I will say I am sorry for making anyone angry. I guess I have a problem with standing strong in my views. I was in the debate team in high school and was one of the top in the class for debating. I got onto something and I won and would convince people on what I said. A couple of my friends have actually tried to convince me to go in sales because I debate so much either as an insurance sales person or a car salesman. I say no way! I dont want my checks to vary every week and have to worry about quotas.

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            #50
            Originally posted by mike9302
            Alright Alright I will say I am sorry for making anyone angry. I guess I have a problem with standing strong in my views. I was in the debate team in high school and was one of the top in the class for debating. I got onto something and I won and would convince people on what I said. A couple of my friends have actually tried to convince me to go in sales because I debate so much either as an insurance sales person or a car salesman. I say no way! I dont want my checks to vary every week and have to worry about quotas.
            Ok, but I can guarantee you will anger people when you try to argue things that aren't true.

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              #51
              What I said is true. If you dont beleive it prove me wrong.

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                #52
                Originally posted by mike9302
                What I said is true. If you dont beleive it prove me wrong.
                You are by far the most arrogant, and stupid SOB that I have ever met.
                BUSY running my own credit repair services! Sorry I don't stop in so often any more!

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                  #53
                  Bottom line... BK is a fresh start! Some people will use that fresh start to get on with thier lives and handle thier finances better. For me I had no medical bills I was just a stupid kid that thought that just because I was handed a CC I could spend and be worry free. I feel for people who are forced into this position by personal issues like medical bills. For my part I'm paying the price for not listening to mom! "If you cannot pay for it in cash, then it's likely you don't need it" Please people keep it real! let's help each other not hurt!
                  My credit scores:
                  Before Filing: Tr 496, Ex 496, Eq 507

                  Today: Tr 618 (+122), Ex 601 (+105), Eq 623 (+116)

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                    #54
                    Filed- May 31, 2006
                    341 Meeting-July 7 , 2006-DONE!!
                    DISCHARGED & CLOSED-SEPTEMBER 6, 2006

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by FilingOnMyOwn
                      Ok, but I can guarantee you will anger people when you try to argue things that aren't true.
                      Kind of ironic he's such a "good" debater. He doesn't know how to answer the question asked, yet he over generalizes on something he does not know and does not base his statements on fact.
                      *** THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE--ONLY A LAWYER CAN PROVIDE THAT. ***

                      My posts represent hours of research on and off the web, these forums, my experience, and my opinions.

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                        #56
                        Maybe my brain is just fried from the heat where I live, but, Mike, I don't recall your ever answering the question, "What are you doing here?" Are your parents or other loved ones in BK? Why would a person in his/her early twenties come here if not for BK support? There is always a reason.

                        It's too hot for me to get angry today.
                        Filed: 2/24/2006
                        341 mtg: 4/4/2006:angel:
                        Discharged: 9/25/08!!!!!:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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                          #57
                          Okay Mike, so your absolutely right, right? WRONG! Here's a little reading for you. It's a few years old, but it has lots of numbers for you to look at. Maybe you'll get the point and see that it's not all CC debt. Granted, this is just one article, in one state, but think of it in ALL 52 states.......THAT'S FRIGGIN' HUGE man.

                          Read: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04219/357527.stm

                          You should also read up on the point that I and some other members have said long before you came here.....myself included........you can not get a home or auto loan without a credit history. No way can one save for years to pay cash for house. You'll always need some financial assistance. A LOAN! So, how do you expect to get the assistance with a home loan if you don't have a credit history. NEVER FRIGGIN' HAPPEN, no matter how much cash you have to put down.
                          Bankruptcy History:
                          Chapter 7 filed - 10/12/2005 - Asset
                          Discharged - 02/16/2006
                          Case Closed - 11/08/2007

                          A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining and wants it back the minute it begins to rain ~ Mark Twain

                          All suggestions are based on personal experience and research and SHOULD NOT be construed as legal advice as I am NOT an attorney. Always consult with competent counsel in your area with regards to your particular situation.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by mike9302
                            What I said is true. If you dont beleive it prove me wrong.
                            I don't care about what you say about yourself, that is not my concern. As for what you have said about us, that is not true. I don't need to prove you wrong, its well known that you are.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by jane taylor
                              Why would a person in his/her early twenties come here if not for BK support? There is always a reason.

                              Good reasoning Jane...

                              Please do tell Mr. Mike.
                              BUSY running my own credit repair services! Sorry I don't stop in so often any more!

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                                #60
                                Once you add family and children into the mix.....your 23K is a joke. Point blank....I'm sorry to say it like that but it's true. I make a little over 40 with 3 kids and believe me that is not enough. As to where you could get away with buying yourself clothes once a year.....kids need an entire new wardrobe minimum every six months....but I have a baby so it's every 3 months. Not to mention kids get sick a lot especially school age kids....$15 bucks a pop plus $15 for medicine...let's say one gets sick every month that's $30. Running them to school plus day care and lunches....that expense for three kids is somewhere about 800 minimum. So your entire pay check. Oh and you still have to feed three mouths....

                                Anyway to put it in short....I think people here are doing the best they can with the cards they were given. I haven't seen really anyone come on here because they overcharged the cards....more so because they can't handle those everyday expenses or they get hit with some traumatic life event. I think I once read a statistic that the majority of bankruptcies are due to medical. Oh and by the way....you think your insurance is the greatest? Wait till some terminal illness hits you that requires thousands upon thousands of bills and see how much they actually pay of those.....I think you will be thoroughly shocked..............(and this is a person that is telling you that battled thyroid cancer followed by lymphoma and was diagnosed at 22--so don't think just because you are young that it won't happen).


                                ETA: By the way I'm not sure where you are getting your math from but I make 19.31 an hour and I have about 8 hours of mandatory OT each week on the checks and I only see about 1000-1100 a check after taxes and deductions......can you explain how you manage to make only 200.00 less than I do when I make over twice as much as you do? So all in all with my mandatory OT I'm sitting at 52, 214.24....double what you make is 46. I'll be happy to scan one of my checks in (of course with just the numbers and none of my personal info to show you.
                                Last edited by Danielle1981; 07-19-2006, 04:47 PM.
                                Filed 07/14/2006
                                341 Meeting 08/11/2006
                                Deadline to Object 10/10/2006
                                Discharged 10/17/2006

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