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    #16
    I'd like to put in my two cents worth here, if I may?

    My husband and I went through a similar experience as yours described above. We were not originally intending to include our mortgage payment in with our Chap. 13 BK. We actually were not in arrears at all when we began the process of retaining an attorney, etc. There was a time a few months prior to actually filing when we did get about 3 months behind and had to cough up the money by borrowing from family, but that was before we filed for BK. We were able to get current by the time our BK was filed. Well, about 2 months after officially filing for BK, we were about 2 weeks late on our mortgage payment, which was being automatically drafted from our checking account (voluntarily). What happened was that our account got too low and a payment could not get authorized. So, I mailed off a partial payment and in less than a month, we received the dreaded motion for lift from stay from the mortgage lender! I was shocked and scared, to say the least!! I mean, we were not even one full month behind on our payment at the time! It turns out that the lender had to do this because legally, when you are in BK, NO LENDERS can contact you or even attempt to do so in any way, shape, or form!! This was their way of lifting the stay so that they could begin their process of contacting us and thereby, I am sure somewhere down the line, proceed with pursuing foreclosure if need be at some point. Personally, I thought they were being a bit too drastic at this point since we were not even 30 days late on a payment at this point. But, on the other hand, I guess since they already knew we were in a Chap. 13 BK, they knew we were a high risk anyway, not to mention our recent history with them and being 3 months past due at one point earlier that same year (despite getting caught up). In our case, we ended up having to include our mortgage payments in the BK plan. It was their way of protecting themselves. Also, keep in mind that during this time, we were continuing to mail them payments and they would NOT accept any form of payment whatsoever from us! They actually sent us back a personal check we had mailed them and even returned a cashier's check that we had delivered via certified mail directly to the lawyer representing the mortage lender! By the time this whole thing played out, we were technically in arrears by about 3 payments because the lender refused to accept any payments from us. So, since our mortage payments are now paid to the trustee, we still have 3 months in arrearage that will be paid off through the plan. All this was confirmed later at our confirmation hearing a few months later.


    "Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans..."

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      #17
      Originally posted by Kendel72 View Post
      Here is my quick story, we filed 13 in July and we finally went to court in September. Problem is August and Sep was not included because it took my lawyer too long to finalize everything and he filed in July! Today we recieved the dreaded letter from mortgage company for request for lift of stay! We owe 2 months mortgage and within weeks it will be 3 months, my question is can I get a 401k hardship with me just filing 13? We are really worried about the lift of stay.
      I also forgot to comment that I also requested a 401k hardhsip withdrawal from my own employer just after filing for Chap. 13 BK. It was approved because all I had to do was send proof of threatening letters of foreclosure from the mortgage lender. I was actually surprised at how easy it was for us to get our 401k hardship withdrawal. But, on the other hand, technically, it's your money that you put into that account anyway, so why would they give anyone too hard of a time to withdraw their own money? It's not like you are aksing for a loan or borrowing money from someone else. It's YOUR money! That's they way I see it. Anyway, I would think that if you are two months behind and there is a definite risk of foreclosure, that there should be no problem for you to ask for and receive a 401k hardship withdrawal.


      "Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans..."

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        #18
        Its not hard to get either a 401k loan or a hardship but my concern is the lawyer told us that if we touch our 401k without getting permission from the courts first it will allow the creditors to take it, and the problem is the time frame it takes to ask the courts and the time I have.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Kendel72 View Post
          Its not hard to get either a 401k loan or a hardship but my concern is the lawyer told us that if we touch our 401k without getting permission from the courts first it will allow the creditors to take it, and the problem is the time frame it takes to ask the courts and the time I have.

          We were in the exact same situation, but we took out a 401K hardship withdrawal. This is different from a loan. The downside to the withdrawal is the 10% penalty for early withdrawal and it counts as income. Plus you cannot contribute to your 401k for several months after a withdrawal. This may vary from company to company. You are not allowed to take a loan without permission because you will have to pay it back. Check to see if your company allows hardship withdrawals. I don't know how your company works, but we were able to get our money electronically in 4 working days. Good luck to you.

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            #20
            Thanks BO this helps out a lot! Yes we can do a hardship but I am not sure the timeframe, but you can bet I will by tomorrow!

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              #21
              Kendell~ How did it go?

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