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    trying for a CH 7 conversion

    Hi there. Well, in the 17th month of my CH 13, and just called the lawyer today to make an appointment to modify CH 13 or preferable, convert to CH 7. Anyhow my story is this: We filed in Sept 07, no secured debt other than mortgage, about 90K in unsecured debt and 50K in non-dischargable student loan debt. No assets to save (home appraised at what we owe, vehicles both 12 years old with 150K miles on them, etc) so the only reason we did CH 13 was because we failed the means test by quite a bit, and were on course to pay back 75% of unsecured debt in plan.

    Then in March 08, hubby hurt back at work. Lost $1000 a month when he went on disability, but between savings in gas from his commute (~$300), savings in childcare (~$350) and picking up some overtime at work on my part, we were able to make it all work still. Now his 1-year disability is running out, and we start the fight for permanent disability, which means an additional $1400 drop in his take-home (zero until approved). So we're going to try to see whether we can make something good happen out of all of this, which would be a CH 7 discharge if at all possible. (My paycheck is also going to be $400 smaller a month since now I have to pick up the health insurance which my hubby only had to pay $80 for.) My salary alone puts us about $2000 under the mean, and I've read that disability income can't be used in determining if you pass the means test (although can be considered as disposable income in CH 13) so don't know if the trustee will just allow us to convert or will wait to see what happens with his disability case to see if he can get more $ out of us then. Also, we have pretty low expenses (no car payments, mortgage is only $700/month including taxes and insurance) so even if we pass the means test, he could still probably argue we have some funds to pay into the plan.

    Anyhow, just keeping my fingers crossed! My appointment with my lawyer is March 2nd since they were too busy to get me in any earlier. Anyone else have conversion stories to share?
    Filed CH 13 September 17, 2007
    Plan Modified July 8, 2009 from $1100/month to $400/month due to change in income, finally discharged in July of 2013!

    #2
    Sorry, but I don't have a similar story, but I wanted to say sorry to hear about your hubby's disability. Converting to a ch 7 would be great for you! Sending good vibes and lots of luck your way for your March 2nd meeting

    Here's a thought: is it possible to purchase "premium insurance" for your family in order to minimize your Disposable Income? I know my husbands work offers good/best/premium insurance choices, You could always "drop" it after you are discharged.
    May 2008 Hired 1st Attorney/Stopped paying CCs
    May 21, 2009 Retained 2nd Attorney
    May 28th - Filed for Ch 7 (FINALLY!)
    9/11/09 - DISCHARGED!!!!

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      #3
      Good luck! Hope it all works out for ya!

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        #4
        im in a similar situation... disability income passes the means test, but too much disposable income...

        i keep hearing about people doing insurance purchases and the like to get their disposable down, but my lawyer doesnt want to talk about anything like that...

        actually, i heard they have more responsibility with the new bk law and they arent supposed to go along with such plans... i would be open to anything that would get me a 7..
        "it looks like i picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue"! [McKroskey, airplane]

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          #5
          You should be fine,,,for a conversion, you need to have changed circumstances which it sounds like you do. You have two options, (1) convert to a 7, or (2) request a hardship discharge of your chapter 13. Generally, the courts seem to prefer a conversion to a 7.

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            #6
            Thanks, I hope I can convert to Ch 7, although never thought about a CH 13 hardship discharge. I feel bad about it, since I have this false pride about being able to pay most of my creditors back under the 13, but right now, pride ain't paying the bills! I could probably continue to pick up overtime when it's available (haven't had any since Dec, may be almost summer before can do that again) but I was so stressed out, felt like I was working non-stop and I don't think I could keep that up for another 3+ years, plus it's not like I can get regular overtime anyway, it all depends on staffing and since I took the most recent overload, would have to wait til everyone else in my dept (4 people) had the opportunity to take it before it becomes my turn again. Well, keeping my fingers crossed!
            Filed CH 13 September 17, 2007
            Plan Modified July 8, 2009 from $1100/month to $400/month due to change in income, finally discharged in July of 2013!

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