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    Sold secured property, now what?

    The last purchase we (the wife and I) made on credit was about 1k of extremely overpriced furniture when we were relocating in December of 07. The furniture consisted of a dining table/chairs, a dresser, and a tv stand. At this time we still had no idea we were heading for BK (filed almost a month ago). When we finally had to move back to the town we had relocated from we sold the dining table for like 160 bucks. I did not know at the time we were going to file BK (this is two months ago I sold it), nor did I have any idea what "secured property" was. Still have possesion of the dresser, tv stand broke!

    Fastforward to BK, I filed the furniture company as an unsecured debt, although at the time I was aware there was a possibility they were a secured creditor (lost the contract). I choose unsecured because it would be easier for me unless they start fussin.

    Fastorward to today. I got a reaffirmation packet in the mail from them today, although I have had no communications with them since filing. They are offering to lower the interest from 26% (why did I ever agree to that! never again my friends) to 10% on a bill of 1300 bucks. Then this evening I gota call from the lady asking if I had got the packet and if I could please sign and return it before my 341 in a few days. I played dumb (not much of a stretch) on the phone because i really didnt know if I wanted to play the "violation of stay card" or what. So I simply told her I would look it over and try to get it back before then.

    Other facts: previously bought 2k of furniture from same place, had a 200 dollar balance in dec 07 which was rolled into new loan with new purchases. Only made 1-2 payments after getting new furniture.

    Questions:
    1) I sold the secured property, what are the possible repercussions if I dont reaffirm and just tell them I sold there stuff?
    2) Is the trustee going to be upset at me if they show up at the 341, ask for thier stuff and I say I sold some of it?
    3) Why the heck would I possibly want to reaffirm a 1300 dollar debt on some furnitre (just the dresser now) thats only worth 200-300?
    4) Can the furniture company file any motions besides "relief of stay" that mght be relevant to this situation?
    5) What should I do? Call her back and say shes violating the stay? Call her back and say im not reaffirming? Dont call or answer the phone?

    I really wont reaffirm unless I thought it would jeapordize my BK not to do so. I like the dresser, but if its neccecary to give it up then I have no problem with that. I would really like if I could have my cake and eat it to, in peace. If all else fails hopefully the trustee believes me when I say I didnt know I was going into BK, nor did I know t was secured, when I sold it.

    Thank you for your help again everyone.
    Not only am I not a lawyer, the California BAR association has sent me numerous letters telling me not to even THINK about going to law school. In fact, the lay advice I provide is not even good. In the end remember, you get what you pay for, and here in BK land were not the best at paying.

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    My Friend: IMHO here, sign NO reaffirmation agreements here at all. Furniture value, like jewelry is extremely overated. Not reaffirming should not jeapordize your C7--just your peace of mind. Don't fall for it.

    Should somone ask about the secured property--tell the truth!! You sold it. Period. End of subject.
    Last edited by AngelinaCat; 07-29-2008, 07:49 PM.
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      #3
      Originally posted by AngelinaCat View Post
      My Friend: IMHO here, sign NO reaffirmation agreements here at all. Furniture value, like jewelry is extremely overated. Not reaffirming should not jeapordize your C7--just your peace of mind. Don't fall for it.

      Should somone ask about the secured property--tell the truth!! You sold it. Period. End of subject.
      Should I contact the furniture place and let them know? Thank you for your opinion/help, I dont think I would ever sign a reaffirmation agreement, much less for some overpriced furniture. I guess one of my big problems in life is I dont do well with the unknown, I always have to bring situations to a climax to find out whats gonna happen whether it be good or bad. If there was a bomb under my house i would probably light it just to see if it was ever gonna go off!
      Not only am I not a lawyer, the California BAR association has sent me numerous letters telling me not to even THINK about going to law school. In fact, the lay advice I provide is not even good. In the end remember, you get what you pay for, and here in BK land were not the best at paying.

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        #4
        I will probably have the same situation! We are filing BK7 and have a furniture acct for 3000, the atty told us that this particular company will insist on it being secured. She said that it would be priced at garage sale value though and not on the current balance....so don't sign it! We sold most of our stuff too... don't worry about it..

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          #5
          Originally posted by berrymom31 View Post
          I will probably have the same situation! We are filing BK7 and have a furniture acct for 3000, the atty told us that this particular company will insist on it being secured. She said that it would be priced at garage sale value though and not on the current balance....so don't sign it! We sold most of our stuff too... don't worry about it..
          SO what did your attorney say will happen in the end, assuming you dont reaffirm and youdont have the stuff anymore? If you havent asked maybe you could ask . I am wondering if they will have to goto court after the BK to get a judgement, but I have no idea.
          Not only am I not a lawyer, the California BAR association has sent me numerous letters telling me not to even THINK about going to law school. In fact, the lay advice I provide is not even good. In the end remember, you get what you pay for, and here in BK land were not the best at paying.

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            #6
            A friend of ours had this happen, but did not realize the item was supposedly secured as collateral - until well after his BK when they (Best Buy I think) wrote him a letter wanting the money (???). The item was bought for a business and his former partner "took" it (among other things). He heard nothing from BB during BK. Discharge was 3 years ago and unfortunately the collateral is gone so I don't think they can do anything at this point. But maybe someone else knows more about it. I think they usually do not want the used "secured" items back if its just furniture or something like that - what good does that do them? Not even worth the money to litigate most of the time.
            Filed Ch 7 -- July 9, 2008
            341 mtg ---- August 14, 2008
            Discharged ---- October 17, 2008
            Closed --------- December 11, 2009!

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              #7
              It is not illegal to sell "collaterized" items. This is just another form of a shakedown. If in case you do have some of the stuff, let them make an offer to cash it out, then lowball there offer. If they don't accept, then let them come take it. Most likely they will not even bother, I have a client that is still waiting for the finance company to pick up a motorcycle. It has been about 7 months.

              Good Luck
              Disclaimer: I am not an actor on TV, but I play a BK Paralegal in real life. Nothing I say should be construed as legal advice, or really anything but entertainment. Please seek out professional help.

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