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    Keeping 2nd Home in Ch. 7

    As I posted before I would like to keep my 2nd home. FYI, the mortgage, taxes, and insurance are the equalivant to (1) car payment with insurance. Both attorney's that I have consulted with stated that this can be done since there is no equity. However, I am still uncomfortable about being able to successfully pull this off. The first attorney stated that he would include the 2nd home on my schedule J. I am worried that I were to do this, the trustee would file a motion to dismiss based on 707(b)3.

    I figure that I have (4) options other than just outright surrending the property back to the lender.

    1. Follow the advice of the first attorney as my expenses are already negative without the second home being included. If the trustee argues this expense, it won't change the fact that I am still in the red.

    2. List the second home as an expense in lieu of a car payment. I would surrender one of my two cars to accomplish this. This would be a way for me to negotiate with the trustee as it is the same cost as a car that I have the right to keep. I have also found a court opinion to support this option. In the court opinion someone was able to keep an rv payment in lieu of a car payment.

    3. Check surrender on my statement of intention, but continue to make payments to my lender in hopes that they will not foreclose.

    4. Check retain on my statement of intention, but do not list as an expense.


    I am thinking that option #2 is the best way to go, but I could be wrong. Any feedback on helping me with this issue would be great. thanks.
    Chapter 13 Filed (Pro Se) - 9/30/09
    Confirmation Date - 12/1/09
    Stats - $1752/month, 29/36 completed, 4% to Unsecured, Lien Stripped 2nd Mortgage

    #2
    I'd follow your attorneys advice.

    However it is possible the trustee might object to the expense, so be prepared for that just in case. Depends on the district/state really.
    May 31st, 2007: Petition Filed by my lawyer
    July 2nd, 2007: 341 Meeting Held
    September 4th, 2007: Discharged and Closed.

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      #3
      We are keeping (2) homes and surrendering (2) rentals. We didn't have any problems with our attorney or the trustee keeping the 2nd home.
      Chapter 7 filed 10/21/2008
      341 - 11/26 went smooth NO ASSET
      Took 115 days after 341 - But Finally DISCHARGED 3/25/09

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        #4
        Thanks for the replies. Relief, what did your attorney do for you to keep the second home? Was it listed on your expenses? Your feedback would be appreciated.
        Chapter 13 Filed (Pro Se) - 9/30/09
        Confirmation Date - 12/1/09
        Stats - $1752/month, 29/36 completed, 4% to Unsecured, Lien Stripped 2nd Mortgage

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          #5
          Originally posted by relief13035 View Post
          We are keeping (2) homes and surrendering (2) rentals. We didn't have any problems with our attorney or the trustee keeping the 2nd home.
          What state allows one to go chp 7 and keep a second home?

          How could this not be considered an asset and sold to pay those one owes.

          If this can be done, it is crazy when in FL we start over with almost nothing. - jb
          jb - A little knowledge is a wonderful thing - sometimes.
          Filed - 2/27/09
          341 - 4/3/09
          Discharged - 6/20/2009

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            #6
            Originally posted by jeb View Post
            What state allows one to go chp 7 and keep a second home?

            How could this not be considered an asset and sold to pay those one owes.

            If this can be done, it is crazy when in FL we start over with almost nothing. - jb
            agreed... im NOT throwing stones at anyone that is more fortunate than me, so let me say that up front!... im envious and a bit jealous, so bear with me!

            its just a screwed up law that lets people keep lavish homes and vacation spots and get a 7, while others live in a trailer and cant keep a motorcyle, because its luxury...
            then they put them in a 13, to make sure they watch how much they eat!

            again, im not throwing stones at anyone, but this bk playing field needs to be leveled!

            in the old days, they took to the streets with pitch-forks...
            end of rant, thank you very much!
            "it looks like i picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue"! [McKroskey, airplane]

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              #7
              As for as I know it can be done in all states. The key is that there can not be any equity available
              Chapter 13 Filed (Pro Se) - 9/30/09
              Confirmation Date - 12/1/09
              Stats - $1752/month, 29/36 completed, 4% to Unsecured, Lien Stripped 2nd Mortgage

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