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  • chad9162
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    Originally posted by mamaof2 View Post
    Thanks so much, you are very helpful...if you dont mind, can i ask for any pointers you may have for me...we have our consol on friday, and if this lawyer seems like the right one, then i am going to give him the money to file asap, how long after your last purchase, did you have a consol and then file and how much were your charges ( i hope i am not asking too much)
    My last transaction was end of March for $223 (non-necessity item). I used the card after making a $500 payment. You know "floating" money. I used two others end of February but those transactions were refunded. The other 7 cards were used in December.

    I met with my Attorney about two weeks ago. I PM'd several people on the forum for attorney recommendations. I actually went with the first guy because he was part of a firm and had staff. He was also a member of NACBA so I figured he'd have a good understanding of current case law (I also tested him).



    The other attorney I was looking at never called me back. I think he was a smaller practice. I called like three times and got an answer machine. Left a message and nothing.

    Anyways, sat down with the first attorney. He was totally cool and at first tried to explain BK to me. But thanks to everyone here, I already knew most things. He said it was good I was reading about BK. He allowed me to ask as many questions as I wanted and address any concerns. He didn't rush me and wasn't full of crap! I've been in sales so I know sometimes people tell you what you want to hear. He wasn't like that and was specific on how things worked.

    Anyways, my income has fluctuated. I wanted to use my income from November-April, which meant filing in May. I couldn't file in April because I made too much in October, which isn't a true picture of what I make now. My only concern were the recent charges within 90 days. I just did what I always do, pay my CC's and then use them. A week later I realized this was never going to end. My attorney said you could explain that and that the creditor still has to file a claim against you.

    He told me the trustee's main concern are your assets and preferential payments since they get a percentage. Questionable charges can be negotiated.

    Anyways, before meeting the attorney, I started gathering all my statements, paystuds etc. He gave me a packet and said if I wanted to move forward to return it quickly. I think he wanted at least two weeks before the date of file. I completed the packet in a few days and met with one if his paralegals. He made sure I had everything and told me to get my pre-counseling done (they gave me a list of services). I paid them in full and they started prepping my paperwork.

    I go back in a week or so, go over my paperwork and meet with the attorney one more time. Once I sign off everything they file it electronically either the same day or the next day. This is when the money in your bank account comes into to play. When I go back I need to tell them the exact amount in my accounts. Obviously if you have too much then you need to go grocery shopping haha. I won't be over since CA gives you like a $20,000+ exemption.

    Like I said before...this site is AWESOME but not always "crystal" clear. Since certain things are specific to districts, asking an attorney in your area how things are treated is huge. They will know what you can and can't do. I know you want to file quickly and I see nothing wrong with that from what I've read about you. BUT don't be in a hurry to pick your attorney!
    Last edited by chad9162; 04-24-2009, 05:33 PM.

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  • mamaof2
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    Does anyone have any experience with Nordstom Bank? The visa card that i have from them, is one of the ccs that i have used within the past 90 days (actually this one was within the past 30 days) 300.00 in purchases, and 600.00 in cash advances, i wonder if they are going to try and cause problems for me if i file within the next 2 weeks. Also, i would like to know if anyone else out there has filed within a month of last purchase on a cc, and who was the creditor, how much was it for, and did they object claiming the fraudulent thing.

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  • mamaof2
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    Thanks so much, you are very helpful...if you dont mind, can i ask for any pointers you may have for me...we have our consol on friday, and if this lawyer seems like the right one, then i am going to give him the money to file asap, how long after your last purchase, did you have a consol and then file and how much were your charges ( i hope i am not asking too much)

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  • chad9162
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    Originally posted by mamaof2 View Post
    so if thats my only worry...and my lawyer gives me the "go ahead", i think i will file right away...and if i have to pay a little back, in order to get it over with, then i will do so. Thanks for the info.
    Yep that's how I felt. My was concern was also charges within 90 days, but my attorney said no big deal. So I'm going to file in May. I've only learned about BK for about a month but thanks to this forum I think I have a strong understanding. Also my Chap 7 is very simple and straight forward.

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  • mamaof2
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    so if thats my only worry...and my lawyer gives me the "go ahead", i think i will file right away...and if i have to pay a little back, in order to get it over with, then i will do so. Thanks for the info.

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  • chad9162
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    Originally posted by mamaof2 View Post
    i would assume that they would try to make me pay those back, right? It wasnt alot, and if i am not making payments on anything else, i could pay the charges back...or can they really try to say i was being fraudulant (sp?)????
    Fraudulent and the 90 days thing is sort of the same thing but the creditor has to file the objections. If they did, then yes you might have to pay that back. As for fraudulent and dismissing your case, I think that's harder to prove and more obvious. Like I said before, my attorney had a client do a cash advance for $14K just before Bk. They negotiated a settlement.

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  • mamaof2
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    I have satrted writing down all my questions for my lawyer...consol is one week from today, Also, since i have those few charges on a couple of those ccs within the last 90 days...what is the worst the creditor could do??? i would assume that they would try to make me pay those back, right? It wasnt alot, and if i am not making payments on anything else, i could pay the charges back...or can they really try to say i was being fraudulant (sp?)???? I would just think that if i was being fraudulant with my charges...i would have racked up ALOT more than that, and i would have been charging on all 20 credit cards... not just 4-6 small ones...please anyone let me know if i am wrong here..oh and i am in minnesota.

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  • Vanda
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    You can definitely tell them not to call you at work. Once I told them not to, they stopped.

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  • Floridagail
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    Your Gut reaction is to file and get it over with. But you cannot.. Stop and consider what your attorney recommends. Stop charging and paying . Your Family is most important thing. Know that you are not alone in the world of debt. Good LUck .

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  • chad9162
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    My understanding its based on the amount of money they can recover....I believe it costs creditors around $250 or more to file an objection. So its a cost vs value thing.

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  • MiSSMaGoo
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    Originally posted by AfraidOfBK View Post
    i told Chase that they could nto call my cell or my husbands cell and they stopped....they ahppily took the numbers out of the database or so they claimed. I didnt start getting calls till 30 days late, soi fyou miss may 1, you may be able to delay filing until june, then the automatic stay will protect you from there.

    My attorney told me to put 3 months between any credit card charges, and I have NO cash advances...I am in NV

    I know that cc charges over 500 might raise a red flag, but does anyone know how the trustee views cash (debit card) purchases over 500 dollars? THanks


    For me there was no problem. To be completely honest the 4 days before me filing I had 4 seperate atm withdrawls in the amount of $500. I was soooo worried and then they didnt ask to see my bank stmts. I had received my tax return and all my attorney said was get it out of my bank account but then when I got my bank stmt I didnt even realize how suspicious that looked having it look like that. I'm in Denver, CO but just thought I'd let you know. Also, if anything it might depend on what the $500 charges were. I know I spend that at Walmart (on gorceries & household items) every two weeks and that's being on a budget for my family.

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  • mamaof2
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    Does anyone know...are there certin creditors that are notorious for trying to object your debt ( i dont know if this is the wrong wording or not), if you used your cc within 90 days of filing?? If so, which ones?

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  • AfraidOfBK
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    i told Chase that they could nto call my cell or my husbands cell and they stopped....they ahppily took the numbers out of the database or so they claimed. I didnt start getting calls till 30 days late, soi fyou miss may 1, you may be able to delay filing until june, then the automatic stay will protect you from there.

    My attorney told me to put 3 months between any credit card charges, and I have NO cash advances...I am in NV

    I know that cc charges over 500 might raise a red flag, but does anyone know how the trustee views cash (debit card) purchases over 500 dollars? THanks

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  • mamaof2
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    I agree. Thanks cantwait...i totally hear ya- it sucks! I just watched the documentary Maxed Out on youtube.com, and it hit me...if i dont file ch 7, this will never end. And to see that some peoples family members commit suicide over debt.....is soooo sad, i know that after this little problem i am going through, i will raise my kids to know that you spend what you have in cash (obviously a car loan and mortgage are differant), but i want them to be smarter about credit than we were, and not just take it out and spend, just because you can....i wish i had started this all earlier, we have been struggleing our whole marriage, and am looking forward to not racking up stupid debt ever again!

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  • cantwait
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    mamaof2, I could have written your post ( and yes I'm a mama of 2 too) We're keeping our house and cars, we have 50,000 in cc debt. We would be slightly over the median income, but my husband got a 1,200 month pay cut - another reason we want to wait just a bit. I felt the same way, and still do. We are curent on our cards and everything else. We are planning on not paying starting next week when our first due day is coming up. I have mixed emotions. Sometimes my stomache churns because it just doesn't seem right, and other times I'm relieved knowing that by skipping the cc payments we'll have cash to buy gas and food. I was the same way wanting to file quickly, (hence my screen name) but after reading these posts I think we're going to wait a little. ( Not too long, I'm thinking end of June) Anyway it's scary and freeing at the same time. It's nice to be able to come to this forum and realize you're not alone

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