Is no news considered good news on Pacer?

[HakunaMatata]

Your information is similar to mine. My 341 was on 11/4 and is noted as "terminated" on 11/9 (I believe this is correlated to the Trustee's Initial Report). My objections to discharge date is 1/3 (my "awaiting discharge" status date commences on 11/9).

Your status is demonstrating the timeline between your first 341 and discharge (no worries about the continuation!).

[Michigan1951]

on the deadline/schedule in Pacer it shows first original 341 on 10/14 was held but has end date as 10/16 and terminated.
then another 341 continuation was posted (only to give the trustee the signed reaff's that lawyer didn't give him at the original 341). There is no end date for this though.

Under STATUS in Pacer is still says Awaiting Discharge set for 12/14 voluntarily filed chapter 7

[HakunaMatata]

My 341 is "terminated" as well. I'm now awaiting discharge. I believe each time a change is made in the process, the previous status adjusts.

Edited to add:

When ever there is a change in status on your case, the previous status will show as terminated. So for example, prior to your 341 your status was "Awaiting 341 Meeting". Once that was complete, that status terminated and now your status is probably "Awaiting Discharge".

It's perfectly normal

http://www.bkforum.com/showthread.php?t=34541

[Michigan1951]

Yes, I was at the deadline/schedule link just now.

[RBisDebtFree]

Are you following the Deadline/Schedule link? It should be there...

[Michigan1951]

yes, the discharge date should be 60 days from your first *scheduled* 341 meeting date. To get the exact date of the day 60 and to confirm that what i am saying / assuming is correct, please log onto pacer and go to the deadline/schedule date, in the table, find "last day for objections to discharge" item and see what the set date is. If by that date nobody objects, you are entitled to your discharge. last date for obj. To discharge is 12/14.

as far as 10 days for ust and 30 days for the panel trustee, it is from the date when your 341 meeting was "satisfied", again, you can find the latest 341 item on the deadline/schedule table and the 341 item with the "satisfied" date present will be the one to count from as far as i know. But i hope somebody will correct me if i'm wrong here, there's a lot of people on this forum!

it says terminated for end date on original 341 of 10/14. There is no satisfied chosen. And for the continuation 341 held on 10/23 there is no end date either saying satisfied or terminated.

[RBisDebtFree]

Yes, the discharge date should be 60 days from your first *scheduled* 341 meeting date. To get the exact date of the day 60 and to confirm that what I am saying / assuming is correct, please log onto PACER and go to the Deadline/Schedule date, in the table, find "Last Day for Objections to Discharge" item and see what the set date is. If by that date nobody objects, you are entitled to your discharge.

As far as 10 days for UST and 30 days for the Panel Trustee, it is from the date when your 341 meeting was "Satisfied", again, you can find the latest 341 item on the Deadline/Schedule table and the 341 item with the "Satisfied" date present will be the one to count from as far as I know. But I hope somebody will correct me if I'm wrong here, there's a lot of people on this forum!

[Michigan1951]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but here's a few points I would like to outline:
1) I think the original 341 date (first schedule not held) is where you have to count 60 days from, there's a number of posts (one is a sticky I think) where that was confirmed and I think it is universal to all court districts. You can confirmed your last day for objections date by going to the Deadline/Schedule link on PACER for your case.
2) Not to give you something to worry about but I think trustees are known to file objections to exemptions on day 29-30, basically the last day or days before they can no longer object to your exemptions. You might just turn into an asset case, but not get dismissed, I think you would have known by now.
3) Tom_Mi, your discharge came around on day 70+ after your 341 meeting, I think you should count from the original 341 date not the filing date.
4) Now, your last day for objections is the last day creditors can object to your discharge and you may already know, not of all debt, but only of a particular part of the debt, again, you probably would have received a letter from their attorney buy now offering to settle everything in a "nice way" like they ever do it the "not so nice way" some probably do but if you're clean, you're clean, it's too risky...

I thought I had some good information to give but I think it ended up being a mess of answers...

If I would be you, I WOULD NOT call trustee or ask your attorney to call him. Go to status link on pacer and find the Awaiting 341 Meeting status (it should be in terminated statuses now), see the date end, 10 days from there is what UST has to file a presumption of abuse or motion to dismiss and 30 days from that date is what the panel trustee has to file an objection to exemptions. I WOULD JUST wait it out few days past day 30, why call attention to your case? If he forgot because he is so busy, awesome!

I forgot to ask you this. So you are saying my original 341 on 10/14 with a terminated date of 10/16, the UST had 10 days to dismiss, etc., which would have been 10/26. Then the trustee had from terminated date of 10/16 to 11/16 to object to exemptions. The continuation 341 held on 10/23 does not come to play as the original 341 of 10/14 takes precedence as far as the timelines that started for the 60 day countdown to the original 12/14 schduled discharge date. And the countdown date began on 10/14 341 that was held. Am I getting it correctly here from what you said?

[Michigan1951]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but here's a few points I would like to outline:
1) I think the original 341 date (first schedule not held) is where you have to count 60 days from, there's a number of posts (one is a sticky I think) where that was confirmed and I think it is universal to all court districts. You can confirmed your last day for objections date by going to the Deadline/Schedule link on PACER for your case.
2) Not to give you something to worry about but I think trustees are known to file objections to exemptions on day 29-30, basically the last day or days before they can no longer object to your exemptions. You might just turn into an asset case, but not get dismissed, I think you would have known by now.
3) Tom_Mi, your discharge came around on day 70+ after your 341 meeting, I think you should count from the original 341 date not the filing date.
4) Now, your last day for objections is the last day creditors can object to your discharge and you may already know, not of all debt, but only of a particular part of the debt, again, you probably would have received a letter from their attorney buy now offering to settle everything in a "nice way" like they ever do it the "not so nice way" some probably do but if you're clean, you're clean, it's too risky...

I thought I had some good information to give but I think it ended up being a mess of answers...

If I would be you, I WOULD NOT call trustee or ask your attorney to call him. Go to status link on pacer and find the Awaiting 341 Meeting status (it should be in terminated statuses now), see the date end, 10 days from there is what UST has to file a presumption of abuse or motion to dismiss and 30 days from that date is what the panel trustee has to file an objection to exemptions. I WOULD JUST wait it out few days past day 30, why call attention to your case? If he forgot because he is so busy, awesome!

Yes, thank you for the advice as well. I am going to wait now......

[Michigan1951]

Thanks so much, TomMi. I will take a deep breathe and wait this timeline out.
I am a no asset case right so far since filing on 09/02

[RBisDebtFree]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but here's a few points I would like to outline:
1) I think the original 341 date (first schedule not held) is where you have to count 60 days from, there's a number of posts (one is a sticky I think) where that was confirmed and I think it is universal to all court districts. You can confirmed your last day for objections date by going to the Deadline/Schedule link on PACER for your case.
2) Not to give you something to worry about but I think trustees are known to file objections to exemptions on day 29-30, basically the last day or days before they can no longer object to your exemptions. You might just turn into an asset case, but not get dismissed, I think you would have known by now.
3) Tom_Mi, your discharge came around on day 70+ after your 341 meeting, I think you should count from the original 341 date not the filing date.
4) Now, your last day for objections is the last day creditors can object to your discharge and you may already know, not of all debt, but only of a particular part of the debt, again, you probably would have received a letter from their attorney buy now offering to settle everything in a "nice way" like they ever do it the "not so nice way" some probably do but if you're clean, you're clean, it's too risky...

I thought I had some good information to give but I think it ended up being a mess of answers...

If I would be you, I WOULD NOT call trustee or ask your attorney to call him. Go to status link on pacer and find the Awaiting 341 Meeting status (it should be in terminated statuses now), see the date end, 10 days from there is what UST has to file a presumption of abuse or motion to dismiss and 30 days from that date is what the panel trustee has to file an objection to exemptions. I WOULD JUST wait it out few days past day 30, why call attention to your case? If he forgot because he is so busy, awesome!

[Tom_Mi]

If your case on pacer is quiet, I wouldn't worry until 60+ from the last 341.
There are always complicated cases, but sometimes things just sit.

My last filing was 10/14: Trustee's notice of intent to file a final report.
-It's nice that she told us all she has this wonderful intent, but when does the report come? I don't really care about intent, I just want the report.

Either way, you'll get your discharge. Hang in there.

[Michigan1951]

TomMi and AC, I called the courthouse and they weren't very helpful. Just said that they only see what I see on Pacer. They said to call the trustee's office. I am chicken to do that now, and/or to bother him at this point.

But, if I now focus on the 10/23 continuation, I am now to beleive that the 30 count down for objections to exemptions began then? So 11/24 (Tuesday) would be the cut off? And, the trustees had 10 days from the 10/23 date to object, or is it 10 after the 30 days ends, which would be 11/23?

I looked at the motion calendars and our trustee is making motions on 11/24 if that is related to us at all or not. Can't understand why the report(s) are not in either.
Pacer says (Status) is still Awaiting Discharge 12/14 but the voluntary chapter 7 is there too.

[AngelinaCatHub]

Don't know if this helps, but I'm western district/MI also. We had a 341 continuation. Here's a really brief summary:

Filed 12/12/08

341 held: 2/4/09

Trustee whines about exemptions, has 2nd 341 (we didn't have to go): 3/4/09

Discharge 4/16/09. (more than 60days from 12/12, so i suppose the 2nd meeting resets the clock)


After discharge, trustee still whined about exemptions and we had to pay her some cash, and we're still not closed. probably won't be until next year, due to real-estate (asset case).

I believe you are correct. The 341 was not finalized ergo the clock started again. It has past the 10 initial days of Trustee objections. Now the wait for Creditor objections. I don't know why PACER is not up to date, but I have seen lags in our case as well. Sometimes PACER was even updated on the weekend. I am sure from looking at PACER running in slow motion during the week that the bk Courts are just jammed.

The good thing is the clock is on the Op's side.

Also, it took us 15 months to close, as an asset case. 'hub

[Tom_Mi]

Don't know if this helps, but I'm western district/MI also. We had a 341 continuation. Here's a really brief summary:

Filed 12/12/08

341 held: 2/4/09

Trustee whines about exemptions, has 2nd 341 (we didn't have to go): 3/4/09

Discharge 4/16/09. (more than 60days from 12/12, so i suppose the 2nd meeting resets the clock)


After discharge, trustee still whined about exemptions and we had to pay her some cash, and we're still not closed. probably won't be until next year, due to real-estate (asset case).