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    US card issuers eye unlikely group: new bankrupts

    Bankrupt? Want a credit card? You're golden.

    A record number of Americans filed to wipe out their debts this year ahead of the autumn implementation of a tough new bankruptcy law. That surge in filings forced U.S. credit-card issuers like Citigroup (C.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and Capital One Financial (COF.N: Quote, Profile, Research) to report a huge jump in uncollectable debts in the third quarter and to warn the losses would bleed into the fourth quarter.

    The bankruptcy bubble has forced the card issuers to set aside big amounts to cover the unprecedented surge in charge-offs. It's also forcing them to scramble to rebuild their diminished loan portfolios, which are already under stress because of new federal guidelines on minimum payments requirements that are cutting into receivables and interest income, according to analysts at Citigroup Global Markets.

    As they consider their options, some in the industry are reportedly mulling a strategy that concerns consumer advocates -- signing up the consumers who just had their debts discharged.

    Sound crazy? It's not. For starters, the new bankruptcy law requires debtors to come up with a payment plan to satisfy unsecured creditors like the card companies. So the newly bankrupt are actually pretty good credit risks. But that's not all. In a world where the average creditworthy American already has more than four general-purpose credit cards and where response rates to direct-mail solicitations touting zero-interest teaser rates have fallen below 1 percent, experts say the newly bankrupt have much to recommend them.

    Among their attractions: a tendency to engage in behaviors that generate hefty finance and penalty fees and bring fat profits to the issuers.

    "The credit-card companies can't afford to lose these people," said Robert D. Manning, a professor at the Rochester Institute of Technology and author of the book "Credit Card Nation." "They've really come to count on them."

    UNTOUCHABLE NO MORE

    According to Lundquist Consulting Inc. of Burlingame, California, nearly 2 million Americans filed for bankruptcy from Jan. 1 until the Oct. 17 implementation of the new law, up nearly 52 percent from the same time last year.

    In the old days, burned card issuers would have treated the people behind those sour statistics like untouchables and either denied them credit for up to seven years -- or steered them into secured cards. No more.

    "Lenders are going to go after them again and offer them money," Capital One Vice President Mike Rowen told listeners at a recent "State of the U.S. Consumer" conference hosted by CIBC World Markets.

    During the conference, Rowen checked off for his listeners the things that make the newly bankrupt so attractive to some lenders.

    For starters, they are debt-free, which means they're in a much better position than the average U.S. consumer to pay off any new bills in the face of rising interest rates, higher fuel prices and a slowdown in the real-estate market.

    What's more, Rowen said, because the new U.S. bankruptcy law that went into effect in mid-October forbids anyone who declares bankruptcy from doing so again for anywhere between two to eight years, the newly bankrupt are customers who will -- by law -- have to pay a substantial portion of their new debts.

    "The people that get discharged are going to get access to credit right away," Rowen said, "because once they're discharged, you know, they can't file for bankruptcy for a long time again."

    The newly bankrupt are also card-free and keen to re-establish credit, making them much easier marks for direct-mail solicitations than their overcarded, nonbankrupt peers. And because they're so grateful to get their mitts on plastic again, the newly bankrupt will swallow the punishingly high interest rates that the credit-card companies will charge them because of their so-called "subprime" status.

    "It's diabolical," said Travis Plunkett, legislative director of the Consumer Federation of America, a nonprofit watchdog group in Washington. "They'll hit them with terms that will give the word 'onerous' a new meaning."

    A final reason the credit-card companies will welcome back the recently bankrupt with open arms? The companies really miss them. Their bankruptcies aside, these customers were pretty profitable, said Ed Groshans, a specialty finance analyst at Fox-Pitt, Kelton in New York.

    "Those were the ones who were getting late fees, over-limit fees, and probably bounced a check every once in awhile," allowing the card issuers to hit them with one lucrative charge after another, Groshans said. "Those were like nuggets of gold on a company's top line."
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    something is ethically wrong about the comments and it is just as i always thought. the poor are destined to be poor and are treated worse then the rich. be warned and change your ways nows that you know they live off of you.

    goldent nuggest? lol. i hate to tell them but who filed bk on whom and who doesnt have to to pay whom?

    i WIN both times now. my new motto: no payeeee because of BKieeee!

    and now they want to give me credit cards to help build my credit cuz they think im goona rack up the late fees. little do they know i never paid a single late fee in my life. they are all getting discharged.

    well anyways, this all shows us that they prey on us and will continue to do so. think ahead and use them instead now that they are coming a crawlin back
    Last edited by bkfiler; 12-03-2005, 08:59 PM.
    Im not an attorney or a trustee. You cant trust me either though!

    [x] - Done with 341? Join the 60 Day Club! ___________[x] - Im Discharged! Whoo Hooo!
    [x] - Poll: Should I File Pro-Se ____________________[x] - New BK Law: Median Income, Means Testing and Presumptive Abuse
    [x] - Zombie Debt Collectors Dig Up Your Old Mistakes _-[x] - Bankruptcy Law Resource
    [x] - Need A Fast Answer? Available 24/7!--__________[x] - Dont Be A Hero On Your Budget - You Wont Get An Award!

    #2
    Well, I knew sooner or later they'd realize that "Hey, THOSE BK'es CAN"T RUN AWAY NOW!!!"

    Like I said before, I am at fault, but not totally and if the CC companies had looked at my earnings and how much I had out in debt, they'd be better, I'd be ok and people wouldn't be filing so much...

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      #3
      What a bunch of @SSHOLES!!! !!

      I am and always will be a believer in personal responsability and feel that while they (credit card companies) are idiots we're resposable for our financial lives. However people that are now getting a fresh start are being targeted by more of their cr@p. They complain, they whine, they lobby that what we are doing is unfair and look at them. Most of us hopefully will learn and not fall for this ever again. Some people will fall for it, spend 8 years paying high rates and file a forced chapter 13. Again I believe in personal resposability, but have such a hatred for that industry (not the honest people that work there) just the few bumbs that hold the strings. I know business is business and they need to make a profit for their shareholders, but they have no regard for the future of their country.

      Everone reading these, please boycott this system for life! Get a card, preferably a secured card for no more then $2000 for travel, etc. and don't use these again. I am now convinced they want us to die in debt.

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        #4
        credit

        Originally posted by FoolAndHisMoney
        What a bunch of @SSHOLES!!! !!

        I am and always will be a believer in personal responsability and feel that while they (credit card companies) are idiots we're resposable for our financial lives. However people that are now getting a fresh start are being targeted by more of their cr@p. They complain, they whine, they lobby that what we are doing is unfair and look at them. Most of us hopefully will learn and not fall for this ever again. Some people will fall for it, spend 8 years paying high rates and file a forced chapter 13. Again I believe in personal resposability, but have such a hatred for that industry (not the honest people that work there) just the few bumbs that hold the strings. I know business is business and they need to make a profit for their shareholders, but they have no regard for the future of their country.

        Everone reading these, please boycott this system for life! Get a card, preferably a secured card for no more then $2000 for travel, etc. and don't use these again. I am now convinced they want us to die in debt.
        Ive had good credit for many years, so i know the cc compaines have made their fair share off of me, a few months ago, i was late once with my credit card, my good interest rate jumpped from 8% to 29% and I was with them for years, they do not treat you as a friend or that you have been with them for years, once you cross their fine print, its on... once i saw they jumpped my interest, I have not paid a dime, I do not pay loan sharcks...MASTERCARD, VISA, AND ALL OTHER MAJOR CREDIT CARDS.

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          #5
          its time to teach our children how to handle credit and show them how the credit companies handle them so they will be ready for the future.

          start with making the 5 year old mow the grass, along with everyone elses grass on the block. they have to work hard to make money.

          then, take all the money and put it into your bank account and explain they are now a proud owner of a secured credit card with a balance of $35!

          send them a statement 2 days later showing that they now owe $29 in processing fees and $59 in annual fees for that secured card to which you will be appplying 19.5% interest to it against their balance, each day, compounded 4 times a day.

          whooops! they are now over their credit limit $35 - $29 - $59 - $1.50 =
          -$54.50 in the hole.

          explain that they are over the credit limit and must pay extra fees for that too. $25 added is now $79.50 negative balance.

          show them that the APR just went up because they are obviously in trouble with their credit and income situation so time to really pile it on further. New APR %29.999. "oh gee! at least its not 30%"

          Next, send them a letter stating that their account has been closed due to negative activity and their $35 has been taken and secured against the balance owed.

          good news is that $79.50 - $35 = $44.50 balance.

          bad news is that you are going to charge a closing fee of $45 so the new total is $89.50 plus its now a new day so added with interest its $91.00 owed.

          Further explain that this will be reported to the credit bureau and all of their other creditors will see them as a crappy risk too and increase the APR and not loan them anything again. Probably easier to liken it to the act of no one on the block wants to let you borrow their toys again and you have to go home, now!

          next on the list, 2 days after just opening the account, poor little child is in the hole $91 already and its time to teach them about "Collections"...
          Im not an attorney or a trustee. You cant trust me either though!

          [x] - Done with 341? Join the 60 Day Club! ___________[x] - Im Discharged! Whoo Hooo!
          [x] - Poll: Should I File Pro-Se ____________________[x] - New BK Law: Median Income, Means Testing and Presumptive Abuse
          [x] - Zombie Debt Collectors Dig Up Your Old Mistakes _-[x] - Bankruptcy Law Resource
          [x] - Need A Fast Answer? Available 24/7!--__________[x] - Dont Be A Hero On Your Budget - You Wont Get An Award!

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            #6
            And because they're so grateful to get their mitts on plastic again, the newly bankrupt will swallow the punishingly high interest rates that the credit-card companies will charge them because of their so-called "subprime" status.
            Um I don't know who this story is refering to, but I'm sure not eager to go out and get a bunch of new credit. Yes some people like to get back into the saddle right away so to speak, but I sure don't.

            Anyways, these CC companies are evil and will stop at nothing to get their cut. But I think most people at least on this board are smart enough to not get involved back in this mess after filing. If you aren't, give me a call and I'll come over and kick you in the head a few times. It's gonna be just a painful as getting back in debt again if you don't.
            Filed: 10/3/05
            341: 11/15/05
            Discharge: 1/14/06

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              #7
              Originally posted by bkfiler
              its time to teach our children how to handle credit and show them how the credit companies handle them so they will be ready for the future.

              start with making the 5 year old mow the grass, along with everyone elses grass on the block. they have to work hard to make money.

              then, take all the money and put it into your bank account and explain they are now a proud owner of a secured credit card with a balance of $35!

              send them a statement 2 days later showing that they now owe $29 in processing fees and $59 in annual fees for that secured card to which you will be appplying 19.5% interest to it against their balance, each day, compounded 4 times a day.

              You forgot the "Overnight Delivery" of said card....Another $39.95!

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                #8
                Originally posted by theurge
                If you aren't, give me a call and I'll come over and kick you in the head a few times. It's gonna be just a painful as getting back in debt again if you don't.
                well said!

                i myself will be getting active trade lines asap but only for the purpose of building credit to manipulate my scores for a home purchase in the future. cash is king for me and im loving every minute of it.
                Im not an attorney or a trustee. You cant trust me either though!

                [x] - Done with 341? Join the 60 Day Club! ___________[x] - Im Discharged! Whoo Hooo!
                [x] - Poll: Should I File Pro-Se ____________________[x] - New BK Law: Median Income, Means Testing and Presumptive Abuse
                [x] - Zombie Debt Collectors Dig Up Your Old Mistakes _-[x] - Bankruptcy Law Resource
                [x] - Need A Fast Answer? Available 24/7!--__________[x] - Dont Be A Hero On Your Budget - You Wont Get An Award!

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                  #9
                  When applying for a card, research the fees thoroughly! Sure, I get the 'no deposit required' offers in the mail. I scan thru, read about the $150 annual fee, $29 opening fee, $6.50/monthly maintenance fee, and I say NO THANKS. Personally, I don't care what the APR is... By not carrying a balance, any % of $0 is still $0.
                  Most of my information is from personal experience or HOURS and HOURS of online research. When you're searching online, keep in mind there is no guarantee that the info is completely up to date, and your situation is unique from anyone else's. Do your homework, and consult with an attorney so you can make an informed decision.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by StaciMM
                    Personally, I don't care what the APR is... By not carrying a balance, any % of $0 is still $0.
                    exactly how i feel too. want to rebuild credit so APR on no balances is ok with me for now. also, be aware of cards with 'no grace period' which will charge you from the get go. its ok as long as you know about it and figure it into the monthly cost of building credit.
                    Im not an attorney or a trustee. You cant trust me either though!

                    [x] - Done with 341? Join the 60 Day Club! ___________[x] - Im Discharged! Whoo Hooo!
                    [x] - Poll: Should I File Pro-Se ____________________[x] - New BK Law: Median Income, Means Testing and Presumptive Abuse
                    [x] - Zombie Debt Collectors Dig Up Your Old Mistakes _-[x] - Bankruptcy Law Resource
                    [x] - Need A Fast Answer? Available 24/7!--__________[x] - Dont Be A Hero On Your Budget - You Wont Get An Award!

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                      #11
                      Don't forget that when little junior or little Sally keeps their lawn mowing money in the bank they will earn about 1.5% interest so the bank can loan it back to them for 29.99% (not 30%). When they use the ATM and take out $20, $2.00 will also go to the banks to loan back out to them.

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                        #12
                        Those fees can be avoided... Don't open an account at a bank that charges you to use their own ATM's. And, know what activities WILL charge you a fee, and avoid them. (Such as don't print out a statement at Wachovia ATM machines if you don't want to pay $1-go in and have the c/s rep give you a printout.)

                        And, if you have money in the bank, why would you need to borrow it?

                        I'm not saying the creditors/banking industry are good/nice/etc. I'm just saying that it is up to us to to make informed decisions on who we do business with and how we do it. Read the fine print, know what you're agreeing to. If you don't like the terms, go elsewhere. If you don't bother to find out what the terms, fees, etc. are ahead of time, then don't complain after the fact because you 'didn't know better'. Its kind of like complaining about the people in office when you didn't vote.

                        Originally posted by FoolAndHisMoney
                        Don't forget that when little junior or little Sally keeps their lawn mowing money in the bank they will earn about 1.5% interest so the bank can loan it back to them for 29.99% (not 30%). When they use the ATM and take out $20, $2.00 will also go to the banks to loan back out to them.
                        Last edited by StaciMM; 12-04-2005, 02:07 PM.
                        Most of my information is from personal experience or HOURS and HOURS of online research. When you're searching online, keep in mind there is no guarantee that the info is completely up to date, and your situation is unique from anyone else's. Do your homework, and consult with an attorney so you can make an informed decision.

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                          #13
                          While this was funny, it SURE is one way to teach your children that old saying "Never a borrower, nor a lender be"

                          Well, that was back when people held their cash in their homes..Funny thing, I think theft by breaking and entering was probably pretty low..After all, the smallest punishment is a hand chopping..Which is still done today! Good for them!

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                            #14
                            staci, are you gonna cut us some slack here.

                            you are talking to a bunch of bk filers. if we were so savvy them i wouldnt be here hanging out with the likes of aaart, guest, foolandhismoney, genenco and you now would i?
                            Im not an attorney or a trustee. You cant trust me either though!

                            [x] - Done with 341? Join the 60 Day Club! ___________[x] - Im Discharged! Whoo Hooo!
                            [x] - Poll: Should I File Pro-Se ____________________[x] - New BK Law: Median Income, Means Testing and Presumptive Abuse
                            [x] - Zombie Debt Collectors Dig Up Your Old Mistakes _-[x] - Bankruptcy Law Resource
                            [x] - Need A Fast Answer? Available 24/7!--__________[x] - Dont Be A Hero On Your Budget - You Wont Get An Award!

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                              #15
                              I'm not saying I know it all. I just refuse to put all the power in the hands of the credit card companies. I take responsibility for myself.

                              I look at it this way-in the past, we were ignorant. We did things that weren't wise, got in over our heads, and couldn't dig our way out. (Granted, there were also things that happened along the way that we couldn't control-medical, lost work, etc.) We paid the ultimate price (BK).

                              Now, we no longer have an excuse. Speaking for me-if I end up with a credit card balance where I'm paying a high interest rate, and getting hit with late fees and overlimit charges, its MY fault that I allowed myself to get into a position where that could happen. Sure, I can put alot of time and effort into complaining about credit card companies, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm the one who is hurt by it all. Crying over spilled milk will not clean up the mess.

                              Its like an abusive relationship. Getting out of it can be VERY hard. But once you get up the courage and determination, there is no going back.
                              Most of my information is from personal experience or HOURS and HOURS of online research. When you're searching online, keep in mind there is no guarantee that the info is completely up to date, and your situation is unique from anyone else's. Do your homework, and consult with an attorney so you can make an informed decision.

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