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    Three days after 341 Meeting and I just checked on Pacer and found this, what should I expect to happen now?

    "The United States Trustee has reviewed all materials filed by the debtor and has determined
    that the debtor’s case is presumed to be an abuse under 11 U.S.C. §707(b)"
    Filed: 10/29/2011 Chapter 7
    341: Scheduled for December 19, 2011

    #2
    It means that you may make more money than a 7 needs. This happens when the numbers don't jibe or you are to far over the means test. It is not panic time, as your lawyer will see it and it does not mean you did anything bad. Probably left off some bills and are out of balance a bit. 'Hub
    If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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      #3
      OK, I just went to read that chapter 707(b) and it is plain as mud. My head spun and the best I could make out of it is, you will have to get the exact complaint the U.S.T. has against you as that section mentions everything but breathing is considered abuse. He could pick anything. Hold off till your lawyer finds out his problem, then fix it after that. It is a common happening and most survive it. Do a search on the "abuse". 'Hub
      If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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        #4
        Thanks Hub, I guess we just wait for attorney to contact me. Just had concern since the USTT filed the POA so soon after hearing considering so close to the holidays.
        Filed: 10/29/2011 Chapter 7
        341: Scheduled for December 19, 2011

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          #5
          The US Trustee would file a motion detailing the reasons behind the presumption of abuse. It should be on Pacer. You should know ahead of time if your means test was the trigger. Were you over median income?
          Well, I did. Every one of 'em. Mostly I remember the last one. The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look in his face because his insides have been kicked out. -Rick

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            #6
            Originally posted by OhioFiler View Post
            The US Trustee would file a motion detailing the reasons behind the presumption of abuse. It should be on Pacer. You should know ahead of time if your means test was the trigger. Were you over median income?
            Yes, I was over median income. I was curious if this is something that will most likely lead to the USTT filing a motion to dismiss or convert to Chapter 13, or if is more of a procedural thing do to the fact I was over the median income
            Filed: 10/29/2011 Chapter 7
            341: Scheduled for December 19, 2011

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              #7
              Based on this thread----> http://www.bkforum.com/showthread.ph...ling-Chapter-7
              I would highly suspect this is why the USTT filed the POA. Hopefully it gets cleared up and you will be good to go.
              8-07-09-filed Chapter 7
              11-18-09-DISCHARGED!!

              Life is not what challenges you face, but how you face those challenges.

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                #8
                Originally posted by NoMoreCards View Post
                Based on this thread----> http://www.bkforum.com/showthread.ph...ling-Chapter-7
                I would highly suspect this is why the USTT filed the POA. Hopefully it gets cleared up and you will be good to go.
                @NoMoreCards
                I am not sure this is the case, bonus pay was never brought up the Panel trustee did not even ask for my most recent pay stub which would not have included the pay. Actually they bonuses were not distributed until a week after my 341 Meeting.

                The more I think about it, I feel may be because of the holidays and the fact that I am over the median income the USTT filed the POA to give him/herself time to review my paperwork and not have to rush because of the holidays. Just one of my thoughts, I hope it is the case and all will play out the way we (me and attorney) discussed.
                Filed: 10/29/2011 Chapter 7
                341: Scheduled for December 19, 2011

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                  #9
                  I was thinking the 401k issue that was discussed in that thread. Either way, I hope it all goes well for you.
                  8-07-09-filed Chapter 7
                  11-18-09-DISCHARGED!!

                  Life is not what challenges you face, but how you face those challenges.

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                    #10
                    Could be the 401K, guess it is wait and see for the next few days
                    Filed: 10/29/2011 Chapter 7
                    341: Scheduled for December 19, 2011

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                      #11
                      There wasn't a document on Pacer hyperlinked to the line where it stated about UST's Presumption of Abuse?
                      ~~ Filed Over Median Income Chapter 7: 12/17/2010 ~~ 341 Held: 1/12/2011 ~~ Discharged: 03/16/2011 ~~
                      Not an attorney - just an opinionated woman.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ValleYum View Post
                        There wasn't a document on Pacer hyperlinked to the line where it stated about UST's Presumption of Abuse?
                        No link, just the statement "The United States Trustee has reviewed all materials filed by the debtor and has determined
                        that the debtor’s case is presumed to be an abuse under 11 U.S.C. §707(b)" and USTT electronic signature and information.
                        Filed: 10/29/2011 Chapter 7
                        341: Scheduled for December 19, 2011

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                          #13
                          The link may come later if there is anything to it. Sometimes a court paper will be filed that is just an internal process of some sort, and no link ever comes. Here's hoping that everything goes well for you.
                          Last edited by AngelinaCat; 12-24-2011, 07:08 AM.
                          "To go bravely forward is to invite a miracle."

                          "Worry is the darkroom where negatives are formed."

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                            #14
                            Very true, Miss AC. Ithink I was hoping there was for the OP's sake.... so he would "know something"

                            I am so sorry, KAM.
                            ~~ Filed Over Median Income Chapter 7: 12/17/2010 ~~ 341 Held: 1/12/2011 ~~ Discharged: 03/16/2011 ~~
                            Not an attorney - just an opinionated woman.

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                              #15
                              Thanks AC and Valle, I am certain I will know something sooner rather than later.
                              Filed: 10/29/2011 Chapter 7
                              341: Scheduled for December 19, 2011

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