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    Any hope for me...

    I've been following the thread "Maximizing CH 7" and our experience is eerily similar to enufs. I know I'll get bashed once this is posted but as long as I can get some answers and help, I can take it. Fire away at will after reading. I'll try and be brief.

    We've had a big credit balance for many years but were always on top of it barring a few late payments, but nothing serious. Our total debt went up and down from $30K - $55K. We would rack it up with spending, eating out, and vacations and then pay it back down to around $30K with our bonuses and dilligent efforts to work overtime. My wife was laid off and we had another child and things added up fast. She even took out her pension and 401(k) totaling approx. $15K and paid it down again. We ran it up again. I finally got sick of it and thought about bankruptcy. I made the decision that if I'm going to go out, I'm going out in a bang. I thought I'd try to invest or gamble us out of debt. I took out some large cash advances but neither idea worked. I lost some in both. I then said if I'm was going to file, I was going to eek every cent out of it before going under. I had some large cards with 0 balances that I took about $20K off of. I then took everything available off the smaller cards and then transeferred their balances to the larger cards (they still had a lot of available credit, just none left for cash advances). I then went back to the small cards and repeated the process (many times). I ended up with about $40K cash. I also charged up the remainder of the available credit on all of the cards. In the end, we were left with around $90K. I spent some of the $40K on paying the minimums for about 6 months and then stopped paying. There have been no new charges or advances for 13 months. I spoke briefly on the phone with a bankruptcy attorney and he didn't seem to think it would be a big deal. He said CH 7 should be easy to do. I told him I was going to use gambling (Vegas, local sports betting, lottery) as the reason. What does everyone think? Will this be a quick and easy deal, or will the creditors actually show up or want more documentation?

    #2
    not sure. but it will be interesting to find out. your case is probably the largest amount stated. keep us posted. good luck.

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      #3
      I'm not here to bash you or anyone else over HOW you got into your situation - we all have our own baggage. You can find lots of reading material here and on other boards that will help you decide if filing is right, and which way to go - 7 vs 13, lawyer vs pro se, etc. But if you don't mind a casual observation....some attention to controlling your spending needs & habits seems worthwhile. You'll get a lot more support here if you can show why your bk is worth our attention. A quick fix it ain't. You have work to do.

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        #4
        Why it's worth your attention? Just answer the question or not. I can take all the name calling and comments, but I was unaware I needed to stand up and say my name and state I have a problem on this site. I thought it was a question and answer forum. I think it's obvious I have a spending problem. Like I said, I deserve it, so blast away. I don't think I will have the opportunity to spend like this once all my cards are gone.

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          #5
          Originally posted by djk
          not sure. but it will be interesting to find out. your case is probably the largest amount stated. keep us posted. good luck.
          We're way more than that. And climbing every day due to penalties and interest.

          Our debt load has jumped $10K since we quit making payments 6 months ago.
          Filed Ch 7 - 09/06
          Discharged - 12/2006
          Officially Declared No Asset - 03/2007
          Closed - 04/2007

          I am not an attorney. My comments are based on personal experience and research. Always consult an attorney in your area to address concerns related to your particular situation.

          Another good thing about being poor is that when you are seventy your children will not have declared you legally insane in order to gain control of your estate. - Woody Allen...

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            #6
            Originally posted by luckylady
            Why it's worth your attention? Just answer the question or not. I can take all the name calling and comments, but I was unaware I needed to stand up and say my name and state I have a problem on this site. I thought it was a question and answer forum. I think it's obvious I have a spending problem. Like I said, I deserve it, so blast away. I don't think I will have the opportunity to spend like this once all my cards are gone.

            hmmm, I'm trying to tread lightly here but you've already taken offense to someone calling you on your situation....not saying good or bad, just pointing it out. If I were you, I'd seek serious classes on financial counseling before you make another attempt at having a hoard of cash on hand. And if you do have a tendancy to gamble...just stop cold turkey since you're in this situation now. If you can't, seek counseling to manage that too. IMO, Charging debt to unsused accounts (and to the maximum) will look seriously fraudulent in front of a judge or to creditors or a bk trustee.

            Be careful and Welcome to the forum.
            When it all boils down to it, its just numbers! Your credit score, your interest rate, your bank account, and your net worth if you're fortunate enough to have one......is your happiness really defined by numbers?

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              #7
              I'm not trying to sound defensive...I've screwed up. Call me a cheat, swindler, or whatever. I really don't mind. I know I brought this on myself. But to have the first response say "show us why your bk is worthy of our attention". It just sounded like I was in a secret meeting of the "Skulls" and I didn't know the secret handshake. I can take it. I know it looks like fraud, but I called it planning ahead. It didn't make sense to me to go thru all of this and then be almost broke still. I really thought I could pull something out and make some money somehow. Should I continue to just stash the cash or pay it back?

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                #8
                I'm sorry if I offended you. I guess it's the part about taking out the cash and stashing it that bothers me...that seems to be in direct conflict with the bk guidelines - recent timeframe or not, that many here have experienced problems with 'under reporting of assets'. And, the way you presented that - knowing what you were doing and why - is what prompted the tone of my reply. I don't care if you do anything questionable to 'beat' the system...just don't wave it around, ok? Anyway, welcome...we're all here to learn from each other.

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                  #9
                  I'm sure Poorme meant no harm.


                  I'll try to summarize it like this......with facing no other out other than filing bk, theres a part of me (and maybe this applies to others here) that realizes the situation I'm in and "comes clean".....if you know what I mean.
                  Name calling, even though you could take it won't do any good, and the regular posters who "help" others with their questions don't resort to that. But they are probably a little picky about posts of "helpful" information because of circumstances different from yours.

                  Just in my situation, I saw the impending doom and stopped digging deeper even though I DID have some more accounts open that I could have probably taken advantage of. Some don't like seeing others do that, thats just the way it is. Its no Skull and Bones secret handshake.
                  When it all boils down to it, its just numbers! Your credit score, your interest rate, your bank account, and your net worth if you're fortunate enough to have one......is your happiness really defined by numbers?

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                      #11
                      Since your 13 months past when you took your last cash advance, the creditors probably won't bother you (99.9999% of the time), and the trustee probably won't ask why you are in debt.

                      If your get a challenge in court either by the trustee or your creditors, be careful about waving the gambling around like it is a cure all to the cash advances....unless you can prove it. It appears you did not have a gambling issue, just taking out cash and stuffing it is a drawer.

                      I have read cases where they want proof of gambling losses like the win/loss statements you can get from your casino's. It also helps if you show it on your tax returns.
                      Chapter 13 Filed 4/03/06 :blink: 341 Meeting Complete 5/11/06 :yes2:
                      Plan Confirmation 6/16/06 :yahoo:
                      Discharged: 1/5/2010 :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by SinkingFast
                        We're way more than that. And climbing every day due to penalties and interest.

                        Our debt load has jumped $10K since we quit making payments 6 months ago.
                        I think you misunderstood me. This new poster claims to have racked up 40 grand of new debt SINCE deciding to file bk. Says it is going out with a bang or something, correct me if I'm wrong (OK?) Did you do something more grand than that? If so I don't remember. Anyway, this newcomer puts scammer in the little leagues. The forum can learn from his case, I'm sure.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Credit Hater
                          I'm sure Poorme meant no harm.


                          I'll try to summarize it like this......

                          Just in my situation, I saw the impending doom and stopped digging deeper even though I DID have some more accounts open that I could have probably taken advantage of. Some don't like seeing others do that, thats just the way it is. Its no Skull and Bones secret handshake.
                          Ditto's CH.

                          Same thing here.

                          We kept hoping things would turn around but they didn't. When we realized where we were headed, we quit using CC's all together. We still had available balances left to tap. We just didn't.
                          Filed Ch 7 - 09/06
                          Discharged - 12/2006
                          Officially Declared No Asset - 03/2007
                          Closed - 04/2007

                          I am not an attorney. My comments are based on personal experience and research. Always consult an attorney in your area to address concerns related to your particular situation.

                          Another good thing about being poor is that when you are seventy your children will not have declared you legally insane in order to gain control of your estate. - Woody Allen...

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                            #14
                            If I read your post correctly, you have 50K lying around in a sock drawer somewhere. (took out 90, used 40 I think is pretty much what you said...unless I read this wrong).

                            I believe Alkatraz was filled with people who committed less crimes than you have. Your actions were fraud, and effectively, you have robbed over 90K of money. Sadly to say, you will fly under the radar most likely, get your discharge, and have a sack full of money left over in the end. Some people do not deserve a discharge, you are one of them. I don't want to come down as holier than thow. I am not.
                            Chapter 13 Filed 4/03/06 :blink: 341 Meeting Complete 5/11/06 :yes2:
                            Plan Confirmation 6/16/06 :yahoo:
                            Discharged: 1/5/2010 :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by aa06a47
                              Some people do not deserve a discharge, you are one of them. I don't want to come down as holier than thow. I am not.

                              You haven't come across that way to me. I guess I'm trying to take it easy since my last little foray with a particular individual.

                              Call it like you see it....nothing wrong with that.
                              When it all boils down to it, its just numbers! Your credit score, your interest rate, your bank account, and your net worth if you're fortunate enough to have one......is your happiness really defined by numbers?

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