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    Credit card defaults alarmingly high

    Credit card defaults alarmingly high
    Rate of credit card default seen surging as fallout from the subprime meltdown is spreading.

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Americans are falling behind on their credit card payments at an alarming rate, sending delinquencies and defaults surging by double-digit percentages in the last year and prompting warnings of worse to come.

    An Associated Press analysis of financial data from the country's largest card issuers also found that the greatest rise was among accounts more than 90 days in arrears.

    Experts say these signs of the deterioration of finances of many households are partly a byproduct of the subprime mortgage crisis and could spell more trouble ahead for an already sputtering economy.

    "Debt eventually leaks into other areas, whether it starts with the mortgage and goes to the credit card or vice versa," said Cliff Tan, a visiting scholar at Stanford University and an expert on credit risk. "We're starting to see leaks now."

    The value of credit card accounts at least 30 days late jumped 26 percent to $17.3 billion in October from a year earlier at 17 large credit card trusts examined by the AP. That represented more than 4 percent of the total outstanding principal balances owed to the trusts on credit cards that were issued by banks such as Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500) and Capital One (COF, Fortune 500) and for retailers like Home Depot (HD, Fortune 500) and Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500).

    Shoppers jam stores as Christmas nears
    At the same time, defaults -- when lenders essentially give up hope of ever being repaid and write off the debt -- rose 18 percent to almost $961 million in October, according to filings made by the trusts with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    Serious delinquencies also are up sharply: Some of the nation's biggest lenders -- including Advanta, GE Money Bank and HSBC -- reported increases of 50 percent or more in the value of accounts that were at least 90 days delinquent when compared with the same period a year ago.

    The AP analyzed data representing about 325 million individual accounts held in trusts that were created by credit card issuers in order to sell the debt to investors -- similar to how many banks packaged and sold subprime mortgage loans. Together, they represent about 45 percent of the $920 billion the Federal Reserve counts as credit card debt owed by Americans.

    Until recently, credit card default rates had been running close to record lows, providing one of the few profit growth areas for the nation's banks, which continue to flood Americans' mailboxes with billions of letters monthly offering easy sign-ups for new plastic.

    Even after the recent spike in bad loans, the credit card business is still quite lucrative, thanks to interest rates that can run as high as 36 percent, plus late fees and other penalties.

    But what is coming into sharper focus from the detailed monthly SEC filings from the trusts is a snapshot of the worrisome state of Americans' ability to juggle growing and expensive credit card debt.

    The trend carried into November. As of Friday, all of the trusts that filed reports for the month show increases in both delinquencies and defaults over November 2006, and many show sequential increases from October.

    Discover accounts 30 days or more delinquent jumped 25,716 from November 2006 and had increased 6,000 between October and November this year.

    Many economists expect delinquencies and defaults to rise further after the holiday shopping season.

    Mark Zandi, chief economist and co-founder of Moody's Economy.com Inc., cited mounting mortgage problems that began after this summer's subprime financial shock as one of the culprits, as well as a weakening job market in the Midwest, South and parts of the West, where real-estate markets have been particularly hard hit.

    "Credit card quality will continue to erode throughout next year," Zandi said.

    Economists also cite America's long-standing attitude that debt -- even high-interest credit card debt -- is not a big deal.

    "The desires of consumers to want, want, want, spend, spend, spend -- it's the fabric of our nation," said Howard Dvorkin, founder of Consolidated Credit Counseling Services in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., which has advised more than 5 million people in debt. "But you always have to pay the piper, and that can be a very painful process."

    Filing for bankruptcy is no longer a solution for many Americans because of a 2005 change to federal law that made it harder to walk away from debt. Those with above-average incomes are barred from declaring Chapter 7 -- where debts can be wiped out entirely -- except under special circumstances and must instead file a repayment plan under the more restrictive Chapter 13.

    Personal finance coaches say the problem is most grave for individuals who are months delinquent or already in default -- like Kenneth McGuinness, a postal clerk from Flushing, N.Y.

    His credit card struggles began nine years ago, when he charged his son's college tuition and books. He thought he was being clever: His credit card's 6 percent "teaser" interest rate was lower than the 8.6 percent interest on a college loan.

    McGuinness, 61, soon began using Citibank (C, Fortune 500) and Chase cards for food, dental work and copays on doctor visits and minor surgeries. Interest rates surged to 30 percent. Now he's $37,000 in debt and plans to file for bankruptcy in February.

    "I tried to pay what I could and go after the high-interest accounts first," McGuinness said. "But it just kept getting higher and higher, and with late charges and surcharges I was going backward."

    In the wake of the jump in defaults on subprime mortgage loans made to borrowers with poor credit histories, banks have been less willing to allow consumers to consolidate credit card debt into home equity loans or refinanced mortgages. That is leaving some with no option but to miss payments, economists said.

    Investors also are backing away from buying securitized credit-card debt, said Moshe Orenbuch, managing director at Credit Suisse. But that probably has more to do with concerns about the overall health of the U.S. economy, he said.

    "It's been getting tougher to finance any kind of structured finance -- mortgages, automobile loans, credit cards, student loans," said Orenbuch, who specializes in the credit industry.

    Capital One Financial Corp. reported that delinquencies and defaults are highest in regions where troubled mortgages are concentrated, including California and Florida.

    Among the trusts examined, Bank of America Corp. had the highest delinquency volume, with overdue accounts valued at $5 billion. Bank of America defaults in October were almost 200 percent higher than in October 2006.

    A spokesman for Charlotte, N.C.-based Bank of America declined to comment.

    Other trusts -- including those linked to Capital One, American Express Co., Discover Financial Services Co. and those containing "branded" cards from Wal-Mart Stores Inc., Home Depot Inc., Lowe's Companies Inc., Target Corp. and Circuit City Stores Inc. -- also reported striking increases in year-over-year delinquency and default rates for October. Most banks and other financial institutions holding credit card debt on their own books also reported double-digit increases in delinquencies.

    The one exception in October was JPMorgan Chase & Co.'s (JPM, Fortune 500) credit card trust, which reported declines in both delinquencies and defaults. A Chase spokesperson attributed this to its focus on prime borrowers and aggressive account management.

    By contrast, Capital One executives told analysts last month that the company projected 2008 write-offs of credit card debt to be at least $4.9 billion. This projection, analysts were told, took into account growing delinquencies and potential effects if the housing market continued its downward slide.

    Capital One spokeswoman Julie Rakes said the increase in delinquencies could be due to an accounting change last summer, which shortened the grace period between when statements were issued and the due date.

    Capital One also reported that the number of accounts 90 days or more in arrears had increased between October and November. More than 1.2 million of Capital One's 30 million accounts were either delinquent or in default.

    Many personal financial coaches expect this trend to accelerate in 2008 -- particularly among people who took out untraditional loans whose interest rate has risen, requiring owners to pay mortgages several hundred dollars more than just a year ago.

    "You're looking at more and more distress -- consumers desperately trying to preserve their credit lines, but there's nowhere else to go," said Robert Manning, director of the Center for Consumer Financial Services at Rochester Institute of Technology. "It's like a game of dominoes."

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    #2
    I like the title on the AP source of the story better, "Unpaid Credit Cards Bedevil Americans," because I can personally verify that this is true.

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      #3
      I fear this site is going to have a lot of new memebers in the coming year. Those are some big numbers.

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        #4
        I went to Walmart to get batteries thinking I would have a huge battle on my hands in crowds. It was like any Saturday, except on a Monday. Not really that many people out there or Target. So I wonder how stores are doing. I really dont think people are out in droves spending. If they are I have not seen it. On the local news it seems only high end retailers are getting busy.
        I guess the real recession has begun.
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          #5
          Originally posted by whatamess View Post
          I went to Walmart to get batteries thinking I would have a huge battle on my hands in crowds. It was like any Saturday, except on a Monday. Not really that many people out there or Target. So I wonder how stores are doing. I really dont think people are out in droves spending. If they are I have not seen it. On the local news it seems only high end retailers are getting busy.
          I guess the real recession has begun.
          WAM

          I was thinking the same thing WAM. I went to the grocery store yesterday (was dreading the task) and there was almost no wait. Then went to CVS and there was no wait. Went to a different grocery store today and there was a wait but it was in no way swamped like Christmases past. Went to another CVS and there wasn't anyone in there. No crowds to be found like there usually is on the pre-holiday. The news has been saying the last few days that people aren't spending money this year...well yeah, because no one has any!
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            #6
            I went to Target around 300pm on the 24th and it was like your typical day! Come mid/late January we will know more on what consumer spending was like for '07 holiday.
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              #7
              - Two Christmases ago, I spent probably about $12,000 on presents for all family members, Christmas Eve party, Christmas dinner for 12. I spent $200 on a beautiful 9 foot tree and another $500 on lights and new ornaments for both the tree and the outside of the house.

              - Last Christmas, I spent about $2000 on my husband to replace some camera equipment, and another $1500 on family presents. No one was visiting that year, so I grilled 2 steaks for hubby and I. No Christmas tree.

              - This Christmas, I spent about $300 on presents for my husband and daughter. No one else got anything. We spent $40 on a tree and I used old lights and ornaments. I got a turkey on sale after Thanksgiving that I broke outta the freezer last night.

              My oh my, how quickly your life can change.

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                #8
                now where I live the malls were packed with people. But I have found that people this year shopped with a definite budget and were looking for bargains since the retailers discounted so heavily. And many were open 24/7. LOL I know I had a budget and stuck to it! I also heard that clothing for women was way way down. LOL Makes sense to me. The first person in a family to sacrifice when the going gets tough is the women. LOLOL

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by keepmine View Post
                  I fear this site is going to have a lot of new memebers in the coming year. Those are some big numbers.
                  That's exactly what I thought when I read that article.
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                    #10
                    I have always been poor. I remember though when I could spend 100$ per person. Wow! I have not been able to afford any gifts for 3 years now. Even cards seem too much. My entire family is in the same crunch. No one has been doing well for 10 years. I think it is cool that you could spend $300 on a tree (It is nearly my mortgage). I shake my head and think, "amazing" when I read this. It is all weird. Just go with the flow, you have, you had. Life is not about money, it is about living, and who cares about the other stuff?
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by One Half Full View Post
                      I have always been poor. I remember though when I could spend 100$ per person. Wow! I have not been able to afford any gifts for 3 years now. Even cards seem too much. My entire family is in the same crunch. No one has been doing well for 10 years. I think it is cool that you could spend $300 on a tree (It is nearly my mortgage). I shake my head and think, "amazing" when I read this. It is all weird. Just go with the flow, you have, you had. Life is not about money, it is about living, and who cares about the other stuff?
                      I'd find this situation intolerable. Why file bk if you can't improve your situation?
                      What's the story? Why are you poor-why has the family not done well for 10 years?

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                        #12
                        The true key is to live like your poor even when your middle class or upper middle class. If you study most millionairs, they live very frugal lives or did while building wealth. We would be considered middle class, but we still continue to live very frugal and save save save. People must consider us eccentric. This Christmas a splurged a bit, bought some nice stuff but not alot. Everyone got new sneakers, (NB made in the USA!!) a scarf set, I got a new handbag finally, the kids got Nintendo stuff & some anime box sets. Everyone was VERY happy. My kids pals each got about $1k each in stuff. They are not any happier for it, just spoiled little brats that called to brag then complain they are bored on break. My kids ARE not bored, but quite content.
                        No money does NOT make you happier but some security does make for less stress and a sense of well being and comfort.
                        Things Ive done to make extra income:
                        flea market sales
                        bake cakes and pies/cookies
                        deliever newspapers
                        walk dogs/dog sit.
                        With two young kids and an elderly mom its tough, but I keep on keepin' on.
                        Dont get caught in the poverty trap if you can get out. I spent my childhood in it and it was hell. Now my elderly mother is caught in it w/no escape. Cant afford her meds, house repairs, etc. relies on kids and gov. for help. Its not pretty. AND very stressful for her children trying to raise families and pay mortgages.
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                          #13
                          70% to 75% off sales after XMas at JCPenny & Macys...still, the parking lot is not as full as it should be like before?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by BKOnce View Post
                            70% to 75% off sales after XMas at JCPenny & Macys...still, the parking lot is not as full as it should be like before?
                            I hear ya!

                            I went to my favorite scrapbooking store to pick up an item that's on sale. I thought FOR SURE it'd be sold out, like the earlier model was last year. Nope. They still had many there. I was surprised.

                            Further, it was an item that retailed at $499. It was "on sale" for $299.

                            1) If you can have such a drastic sale price like that, you can't tell me the item wasn't over priced to begin with

                            and

                            B) (which is related to this topic) The retailers are DESPERATELY trying to get people to BUY STUFF!
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by chpxiii View Post
                              I hear ya!

                              I went to my favorite scrapbooking store to pick up an item that's on sale. I thought FOR SURE it'd be sold out, like the earlier model was last year. Nope. They still had many there. I was surprised.

                              Further, it was an item that retailed at $499. It was "on sale" for $299.

                              1) If you can have such a drastic sale price like that, you can't tell me the item wasn't over priced to begin with

                              and

                              B) (which is related to this topic) The retailers are DESPERATELY trying to get people to BUY STUFF!
                              If your referring to AC Moore, the sales have been incredible there! I bought a whole slew of art supllies for my kids at 75% off. Yes the markups are atrocious!
                              Michaels have had some decent deals too.
                              Walmart and esp Target are recording low sales. On the other hand Amazon.com had a GREAT season. Ironic, thats where my sister and I did most of our shopping. Saving gas & time!! The orders came in 48 hours or less too. I LOVE Amazon!
                              We shall see when everyone gets out and uses thier gift cards what happens. Gift card sales are recorded at redemption. I gave nearly everyone outside my children and Dh gift cards. Mostly Target, I-Tunes, Gamestop, and Boston Market (mom..haha!). I love getting gift cards and people seem to like getting them.
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