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    Hosed at the gas pump -- by your debit card

    You may have topped off with just $20 worth of unleaded, but the debit-card transaction could freeze as much as $75 in your account, sometimes for days.

    If you ever use your debit card to pay at the pump, watch out:

    Did you know that every time you top off the tank, a chunk of your checking account can be blocked -- sometimes for days, with the potential to cause you all sorts of financial headaches and bounced checks?

    That's what happened to Jessica Hathaway, a state employee from Allentown, Pa. Earlier this year Hathaway stopped during her commute to fill up her car at Rauch's Mini Mart. She bought $22.29 worth of gas using her debit card.

    The next day Hathaway balanced her checkbook using her bank's telephone service -- and something didn't add up. The bank said that she'd made two purchases the previous morning: one for the $22.29 and one for $75.

    Trouble is, she'd only bought the gas.

    Finally Hathaway called the service station, and an attendant explained to her what few people know.

    How your money gets frozen

    If you use your debit card at a pump that does not require a PIN, your bank regularly will block out an amount -- often $50 or $75 -- on your card.

    That amount doesn't "un-block" as you drive away. Instead, the hold remains up to 72 hours, until the station does a "batch" transaction that lets the bank know the actual amount, according to the U.S. Public Interest Research Group.

    While the length of the hold is up to your bank, the amount of the hold is up to your gasoline retailer.

    Each big oil company has a different policy: Shell says it preauthorizes just $1 for gas purchases, for example. Chevron says it has a $1 hold that ensures a card is active. British Petroleum preauthorizes $75 when customers use debit or credit cards, said spokeswoman Sarah Howell. The same policy applies at its Amoco and Arco stations, Howell said. Hess asks for $75 as well.

    The reasoning behind this policy is that oil companies don't know how much gas you're about to pump -- only PIN-based debit transactions are processed immediately -- and so they earmark a certain amount of your money. "We want to make sure that we're protected, that we get payment for the gasoline," says BP's Howell.

    This general idea isn't new. Credit-card companies have done it for a long time. (Think of when you rent a hotel room or a car, and the attendant runs your card upon your arrival to ensure you can pay for it.) It's less of an issue with credit-card owners, however, because you're usually told that it's happening and you're probably not flirting with your credit limits.

    If a company puts a chunk of dough in your checking account off-limits without your knowledge, however, it can cause real migraines.

    Consumer advocates say beware

    Banks give conflicting accounts about what this means to you, the consumer.

    Bank of America says that users of its debit cards won't experience bounced checks if debit-card blocks disappear on the same day as they're put in place. A spokeswoman for Wells Fargo agreed.

    But the Wells Fargo spokeswoman, Linadria Porter, conceded things can get a little stickier if the block sticks for more than a day. "There is the possibility that you could bounce a check," she says. If a customer calls and points out what happened, "most of the time we will give them back those fees," says Porter -- but not always, she adds.

    Consumer advocates say when in doubt, fear the worst.

    "If there's a block on your account and you have checks come in against your block, you could suffer bounced-check fees," says Edmund Mierzwinski, consumer program director for the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, who says his and other consumer groups have received complaints.

    It's also unclear how off-limits your money is in other ways.

    "Is the money technically unavailable? Yes," says Chet Bridger, a spokesman for Buffalo, N.Y.-based M&T Bank, Hathaway's bank. In other words, if Hathaway had gone to an ATM, she might not have been able to withdraw the cash, Bridger says.

    The problem wouldn't be so nettlesome if the blocks disappeared within even a few hours. But the $75 hold that appeared on Hathaway's account on a Friday morning didn't disappear until the following Tuesday -- five days later.

    "I was just fortunate that I realized it, because if I had gone grocery shopping that weekend I would have been in the negative on my account," she says. She thinks of the penalty fees she might have racked up. "And who would have paid then?" she muses. "Shell?"

    "What really burned me up is not so much the financial aspect, but they didn't ask permission," she adds. "I wasn't informed."

    Changing the policy?

    Hathaway has complained to the Pennsylvania Department of Banking and to the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office, and to the mini-mart owner. To no avail, she says.

    In fact, the policy doesn't show much sign of changing soon, despite some legal support for consumers. In 2002, California Attorney General Bill Lockyer issued an opinion that said that gas stations need to tell customers about the debit-hold policy.

    "If the hold extends beyond the time of purchase and covers an amount greater than the amount of purchase, then the hold has to be disclosed to the consumer," says a spokesman, Tom Dresslar, summarizing the opinion.

    Even so, Dresslar said his office was not actively pursuing any action against oil companies, and that he was not aware of any barrage of complaints by consumers.

    How to protect yourself

    How can you protect yourself at the filling station?

    Station owners and consumer advocates offer this advice:
    If you must use a debit card, pay inside where you can use your PIN number; PIN-based transactions are registered immediately.

    If you pay at the pump, use a credit card.

    Oil companies' proprietary charge cards often don't have any kind of block feature on them, but not always. Chevron, for example, briefly blocks out $18.

    Good old cash is still good -- and many gas stations, tired of paying high credit-card fees, now give a discount of up to a dime a gallon for cash. Look for such deals.

    Of course, as gas prices soar, more people find themselves not carrying the $50 or $60 in cash a fill-up now requires. The National Association of Convenience Stores estimates that 80% of gasoline transactions as of October 2005 involve plastic, up from just 54% in 2004.

    By Christopher Solomon

    Last edited by BankruptPinoy; 07-27-2008, 07:27 AM.

    #2
    That is why I only use my credit card at the pump. As a matter of fact I hardly ever use my debit card, except sometimes in a supermarket IF I need cash back. If I don't the supermarket gets a check from me.

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      #3
      This has happened to 'Hub and I at Wal*Mart, not once but twice. We only have our CU's card, and twice he has gone to fill the tank at the Murphy's station, while I have gone inside to shop. Each time we used the card as a CREDIT card not DEBIT, and each time I have been left standing red-faced at the check-out--with money IN the account. NOT FUN!

      Now, at least we know why!
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        #4
        When I worked at a bank last year I saw up to $100 holds for gas. You can call the bank and ask the hold to be released after the debit has cleared the account. I never use the debt card for anything. Each gas station can determine how much they hold out of your account and the length of time regardless of the amount you pump. When you swipe the card before you pump that is when the hold is placed. Then processing of the transaction can actually occur up to 7 days later. There is nothing that says the hold must be released when the transaction is processed. The hold can go on quite some time. Many fast food places do it also.
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          #5
          A lot of stations by me are going back to giving discounts if you pay by cash. Usually 10 cents cheaper if paid with cash. They save money on credit card transaction fees. It certainly pays to carry more cash.
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            #6
            Originally posted by AngelinaCat View Post
            This has happened to 'Hub and I at Wal*Mart, not once but twice. We only have our CU's card, and twice he has gone to fill the tank at the Murphy's station, while I have gone inside to shop. Each time we used the card as a CREDIT card not DEBIT, and each time I have been left standing red-faced at the check-out--with money IN the account. NOT FUN!

            Now, at least we know why!
            This happened to us last fall at a walmart (Murphys) when we used our debit/credit card as a debit at the pump. They held $75 on our checking acct. They argued with us when I found out what had happened. They tried to blame my bank, which I immediately called. They informed me that it wasn't them. So I called Murphys immediately. Now this was on our fall vacation we take each year. We go to festivals close by that last a week. Anyway, that hold ruined our vacation. I had gotten $50 from my parents for my Bday, which always falls that week. They held every dime of it along with $25 more. I begged them to release the hold, they wouldn't. Finally I called Murphys head quarters who admitted they did it. Now we had gotten $12 in gas and the held $75 of our money. Yes I said $12! They finally agreed to let us go to the Murphys and get our $75. They apologized. Didn't matter though, by that time they had our money for 2 days and the festivals were over. They ruined the only vacation DH and I take every year.

            So never and I repeat never run your debit card threw on a pump unless you run it threw as credit. NEVER EVER USE A DEBIT CARD AT ANY PUMP.This is common practice by most gas station from what I have read. $75 is the extreme, most will only hold $20 or less. Shell for instance holds $18. I no longer go to Murphys and never will again. Figures Walmart would be associated with this type of practice. Yes we are a Walmart town, they drove out all other types of stores similar to them. I shop Walmart because I have no choice, but their gas stations can kiss my a**!
            Last edited by justplaintired; 07-27-2008, 02:10 PM.
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              #7
              Cash is always cheaper than credit...
              The information provided is not, and should not be considered legal advice. All information provided is only informational and should be verified by a law practioner whenever possible. When confronted with legal issues contact an experienced attorney in your state who specializes in the area of law most directly called into question by your particular situation.

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                #8
                This may help explain why we have some NSF checks to redeem at huge penalties. Sheeesh..............

                BTW Clark Howard says never to use bank debit cards. You don't have $50.00 max limit on your debit card that CCs carry if you dispute the charge within a certain time frame.
                "To go bravely forward is to invite a miracle."

                "Worry is the darkroom where negatives are formed."

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                  #9
                  The rules keep changing!

                  Darn it, and I was just starting to get used to using my debit card as a "credit" card, since I don't get dinged with bank fees unless the transaction is processed as a debit.

                  Everyone write on the blackboard 20 times: Cash is king...Cash is king...Cash is king...
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                    #10
                    I got zapped by this hold process just last week. But not at a gas station. New to the debit card thing, ordered a part online last Monday morning. They took their money out on Wednesday then Thursday when my vehicle insurance check hit I got hit with an NFS charge (thankfully they covered it with my overdraft protection). Since I knew there was plenty of money in the account I had the gal at the bank check on it for me. Sure enough the company I ordered from still had a hold for the amount of the order ($138) even after getting their money. She reversed the NSF charge for me. I almost cancelled the overdraft protection when I filed BK, figured the bank would anyway. I've never had it in the past and never needed it, glad it was there this time though.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by justplaintired View Post
                      This happened to us last fall at a walmart (Murphys) when we used our debit/credit card as a debit at the pump. They held $75 on our checking acct. They argued with us when I found out what had happened. They tried to blame my bank, which I immediately called. They informed me that it wasn't them. So I called Murphys immediately. Now this was on our fall vacation we take each year. We go to festivals close by that last a week. Anyway, that hold ruined our vacation. I had gotten $50 from my parents for my Bday, which always falls that week. They held every dime of it along with $25 more. I begged them to release the hold, they wouldn't. Finally I called Murphys head quarters who admitted they did it. Now we had gotten $12 in gas and the held $75 of our money. Yes I said $12! They finally agreed to let us go to the Murphys and get our $75. They apologized. Didn't matter though, by that time they had our money for 2 days and the festivals were over. They ruined the only vacation DH and I take every year.

                      So never and I repeat never run your debit card threw on a pump unless you run it threw as credit. NEVER EVER USE A DEBIT CARD AT ANY PUMP.This is common practice by most gas station from what I have read. $75 is the extreme, most will only hold $20 or less. Shell for instance holds $18. I no longer go to Murphys and never will again. Figures Walmart would be associated with this type of practice. Yes we are a Walmart town, they drove out all other types of stores similar to them. I shop Walmart because I have no choice, but their gas stations can kiss my a**!
                      Oh, but Murphy Oil is so generous they will give your child a full 4 year scholarship to college if you just move to their home town and enroll in the local public school!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                        #12
                        When you run your card though the pump, it automatically checks for a certain amout depending on the station before it will let you pump. Some will actually put a hold on this and some won't. Of those that do, some are too high and some are too low.

                        You can get around this problem if you go inside and pay (I want XXX amount of gas on number X to begin with). Yeah pain in the ass in our sedentary society, but it works.

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                          #13
                          I'm not a big debit card user, but that's good to know.

                          ChevronTexaco offers a credit card that gets you 20 cents a gallon off for the first 60 days and a $20 gift card, but at a stiff 21.49% interest rate. That feature is supposed to become permanent when the card switches over to a credit card sponsored by GE Money Bank.

                          I got the card only because I buy most of my gas at one station and they were pushing the card to their customers, claiming that they wouldn't be hit for the transaction fees that Visa/MasterCard/others charge.

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