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    Congress OKs historic bailout bill

    They did it...


    Congress OKs historic bailout bill
    By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS and DAVID ESPO, Associated Press Writers

    With the economy on the brink and elections looming, Congress approved an unprecedented $700 billion government bailout of the battered financial industry on Friday and sent it to President Bush for his certain signature.

    The final vote, 263-171 in the House, capped two weeks of tumult in Congress and on Wall Street, punctuated by daily warnings that the country confronted the gravest economic crisis since the Great Depression if lawmakers failed to act.

    Bush was poised to make a statement on the historic vote.

    "We all know that we are in the midst of a financial crisis," House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, said shortly before casting his vote for government intervention in private capital markets that was unthinkable only a month ago.

    "And we know that if we do nothing, this crisis is likely to worsen and to put us into an economic slump like most of us have never seen."

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the bill was needed to "Begin to shape the financial stability of our country and the economic security of our people."

    Stocks were up on Wall Street, where there was a lot of anticipation of the vote but where investors also were buffeted by a bad report on the job market. The Labor Department said employers slashed 159,000 jobs in September, the largest cut in five years and further evidence of a sinking economy.

    Even before the measure cleared Congress, the White House sought to dampen optimism of its immediate impact on the economy. "This legislation is to fix a problem in our financial markets," said spokesman Tony Fratto. "It's not sold as giving a boost to the economy, but rather preventing a crisis in our economy... If it works as we hope it will, credit will be able to begin flowing again."

    The House vote marked a sharp change from Monday, when an earlier measure was sent down to defeat, largely at the hands of angry conservative Republicans.

    Senate leaders quickly took custody of the measure, adding on $110 billion in tax and spending provisions designed to attract additional support, then grafting on legislation mandating broader mental health coverage in the insurance industry. The revised measure won Senate approval Wednesday night, 74-25, setting up a furious round of lobbying in the House as the administration, congressional leaders, the major party presidential candidates and outside groups joined forces behind the measure.
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    Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the bill was needed to "Begin to shape the financial stability of our country and the economic security of our people."

    First off, how can this shape the financial stability of our country when the Federal Govt can't afford this bailout package and will drive us deeper into debt as a country? Stop giving mortage loans to people who can't afford them in the first place....

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      #3
      Originally posted by Scott50 View Post
      Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the bill was needed to "Begin to shape the financial stability of our country and the economic security of our people."

      First off, how can this shape the financial stability of our country when the Federal Govt can't afford this bailout package and will drive us deeper into debt as a country? Stop giving mortage loans to people who can't afford them in the first place....
      That HAS stopped, but the damage is already done. Now is the time to deal with the ramifications..
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        #4
        Originally posted by NowImDownInIt View Post
        That HAS stopped, but the damage is already done. Now is the time to deal with the ramifications..
        If you're referring to people getting mortgages that they can't afford, it's still happening.
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          #5
          Originally posted by DisneyGirl View Post
          If you're referring to people getting mortgages that they can't afford, it's still happening.
          You're right... People lie on apps all the time, and they sneak through. What I should have said, is that banks aren't issuing sub-prime loans anymore and they are cracking down. Now it's time for people to start living within their means, as we are all learning here, the hard way.
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            #6
            I wish our govt would learn to live within its means like we have to.
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              #7
              Originally posted by NowImDownInIt View Post
              You're right... People lie on apps all the time, and they sneak through. What I should have said, is that banks aren't issuing sub-prime loans anymore and they are cracking down. Now it's time for people to start living within their means, as we are all learning here, the hard way.
              This is true and will likely always be the case, some people are just like that I guess. But there are lenders still pushing bad loans too. We bought our house a few months ago and one of the loans they were pushing on everyone (confirmed with all our neighbors on our street) was an interest only loan. Just to get people in the houses they were doing this. Sadly I have neighbors that fessed up to taking one of these out. I hope they are still my neighbors down the line but I really don't know what will happen. This is all new construction by the way, that's why I have all new neighbors and know this is still going on. I know it's not the same as adjustable rate mortgages but interest only loans are horribly scary also.
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                #8
                One of my neighbours told me yesterday that he is walking away from his home. Great, another forclosure on my street. That makes # 4. There are only 20 houses on my street!!
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by chloe0724 View Post
                  One of my neighbours told me yesterday that he is walking away from his home. Great, another forclosure on my street. That makes # 4. There are only 20 houses on my street!!
                  That is so sad. Our development is very new and we're already seeing it. The houses that are in foreclosure now are about one year old. There are 5 of them on the next street over from us. It's spreading. We also got our property tax bill the other day - holy cow! I guess we're paying their taxes now too?
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                    #10
                    I know what you mean. The value of my home went down almost 100k according to the county, but I'm paying the same amount as I did last year.
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                      #11
                      I know all these different types of mortgages scare me. I found out a couple years ago that my Grandma took a reverse mortgage on her home. She is pretty business savvy. I just hope it doesn't come back to bite her in the butt in the next 20 years. She is in her early 70's and still sharp. Mom wasn't too happy.. However, I think she was thinking of herself.

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                        #12
                        Talk about predatory lending! The reverse mortgage is the number ONE rip off scheme ever!!!

                        Bad enough to take advantage of an eager buyer doing anything to purchase a home, but to take advantage of an older person in need of money is pure evil.

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                          #13
                          They are going to look back on this one day and realize it was one of the great blunders of all time, mark my words.
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                            #14
                            This bill will not help the vast majority of Americans. It is sad that so many were bribed for their votes with add ons they couldn't get any other way, if such adds ons were good then they should have been separate bills.

                            Provisions in the bill will raise health care costs as the insurance companies seek to spread out the payment of mental illness over everyone. It was a bad bill.

                            I'm happy that my Congresswoman held her ground and did not vote for this monster. Good to know that some folks cannot be bribed.

                            People here at this forum should understand the innate unfairness of this bill. It allowed those who took exceptional risk spending more than they could reasonably pay back to get a free ride, while the rest of us have to file bankruptcy and lose our assets, these jokers will get to keep theirs.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by chloe0724 View Post
                              I wish our govt would learn to live within its means like we have to.

                              I think the problem is all we hear is numbers and the numbers have no meaning. For example, the bailout is 850 billion dollars or .85 trillion dollars. So! What is that number?
                              If you look at the 2009 budget, the USA collects from personal income tax less then 1.3 trillion dollars. The NGP is only 13.8 trillion dollars.
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