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    Debt Collection Agencies Gone Wild

    June 2, 2011

    As Elizabeth Warren says, "Nothing will ever replace the role of personal responsibility." Just as the FDA doesn't prevent overdoses, the point of consumer protection regulations isn't to come to the rescue of people who simply don't want to pay back the money they owe.

    But debt collection agencies have started using outrageous tactics to get payments on debt. These companies buy up bad debt from lenders -- credit card companies, phone companies, health care providers, you name it -- for cheap and then hunt down the money owed in order to turn a profit. And in doing so, some act more like organized crime than private businesses.

    They harass consumers with threats and obscenities. Complaints about debt collectors filed with the Federal Trade Commission, the agency tasked with regulating these operations, rose by about 17% in 2010, which is nearly three times the number of complaints filed in 2002. They account for 27% of all those lodged with the FTC. And of the 54,147 consumers complaining to state level authorities in South Carolina, 4,182 said debt collectors had threatened violence.

    In 2005, 8,000 consumers told the FTC that debt collectors had used obscene or profane language, according to "Up To Our Eyeballs." But it's not always just about outright harassment. It's also a mind game. A former debt collector has anonymously blogged about some of the tactics he used, describing how he would "sound educated enough to perform some sort of legal action" by dropping four important phrases: office, file, client, and flat refusal to pay. This careful use of language was often enough to scare consumers into coughing up some money.

    Debt collectors put people in jail. The Minneapolis StarTribune reported that "the use of arrest warrants against debtors has jumped 60 percent over the past four years, with 845 cases in 2009." The Wall Street Journal found similar numbers:

    More than a third of all U.S. states allow borrowers who can't or won't pay to be jailed. Judges have signed off on more than 5,000 such warrants since the start of 2010 in nine counties with a total population of 13.6 million people, according to a tally by The Wall Street Journal of filings in those counties.

    This has resulted in people being jailed for owing as little as $85, while the rising number of cases has clogged law enforcement computer systems, making it harder for police to work on hard crimes.

    And in a sign of the times, debt collection agencies have started using social media as a weapon. One man reported that he checked in at a restaurant on foursquare, tipping the debt collectors off to his location, and they repossessed his car while he ate.

    They also sign up for accounts on Facebook and friend debtors -- and while Brad Klein, president of the Arizona Collector's Association, points out that they can't misrepresent themselves or send messages or comments without violating laws, they use it to find phone numbers and home addresses. Meanwhile, they can send emails without violating the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.

    Why is the industry deploying such aggressive, quasi-legal tactics to hunt down debt? Because it's a very lucrative business. The industry as a whole made $11.7 billion in revenue last year. Portfolio Recovery Associates, a debt buyer, alone made $44 million on $281 million in revenue, a 16% net margin.

    This is because that company pays about 2.5 cents for every dollar of bad debt it purchases, but it makes back about 7.5 cents. That profit has jumped from $402,000 in 1998, mostly because so many more lenders are selling bad debt in order to write it off. Even the business community sees this as a golden opportunity: in the third quarter of 2005, private equity firms and venture capitalists invested $1.6 billion in it.

    Those who take out loans and lines of credit are responsible for paying back what they owe. But the debt collection industry has run amok in the practices it deploys to get repaid. We need some cops on the beat to rein them in.

    Those who take out loans and lines of credit are responsible for paying back what they owe. But the debt collection industry has run amok in the practices it deploys to get repaid, some acting more like organized crime than private businesses.
    Filed/discharged/closed Chapter 7 in 2010!

    #2
    I hope Dr. Warren didn't fall for the usual bulls*&t DC line - I don't think she would ever utter those words, considering her previous publications.

    Re "More than a third of all U.S. states allow borrowers who can't or won't pay to be jailed. Judges have signed off on more than 5,000 such warrants since the start of 2010 in nine counties with a total population of 13.6 million people, according to a tally by The Wall Street Journal of filings in those counties." - this is a mis-statement - they get people who don't show up for debtors queries - NOT because you owe money.

    Of course then the entire court system in those states has prostituted - YES prostituted (no offense to actual prostitutes) itself to the "moneychangers" and the entire bunch of cockroaches (no offense to insects) who run these collection firms.

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      #3
      Why is the industry deploying such aggressive, quasi-legal tactics to hunt down debt? Because it's a very lucrative business. The industry as a whole made $11.7 billion in revenue last year. Portfolio Recovery Associates, a debt buyer, alone made $44 million on $281 million in revenue, a 16% net margin.
      Every one of our cc debts was bought by debt "buyers".

      Among them: Portfolio Recovery Associates
      Ecast Settlement Corp
      CR Evergreen
      Roundup Funding LLC
      Bass and Associates
      Mapother and Mapother

      All bottom feeders hoping to turn a buck collecting your debt. The credit card companies have milked out of you all they can get and no longer have any use for you so they sell your debt for pennies on the dollar and write your debt off their books. Smart move for the cc companies. Your debt is gone, they show a loss, wave an accountant wand over it and move on to the next victim. Pure buisness.
      Filed July 2009. Discharged 08/08/2014. Awaiting closing. We made it !!!! Woo-hoo!

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        #4
        Pure business...although, Andy, I wonder how long before people wake up....

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          #5
          Not to try and hijack the thread, but you might find this interesting. Especially read the last sentence:

          Portfolio Recovery Associates, Inc. (NASDAQ: PRAA), a specialized financial services company and market leader in the consumer debt purchase and collection industry, today announced the launch of a new program designed to help individuals who have been victims of identity theft.

          Portfolio Recovery Associates, Inc. (PRA) started piloting its identity theft initiative in November 2010 and officially launches the new program today. PRA Verification Services provides one-on-one, VIP service for individuals who indicate that PRA accounts resulted from identity theft and would like PRA’s assistance to repair the damage done to their credit and restore their good name.

          Approximately 23 percent of identity theft cases are discovered during the collection process, according to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). All too often, those perpetrating identity theft will alter the address and phone number on fraudulently opened accounts. The identity theft victim may become aware of the account only when a debt collector obtains a proper address or phone number and initiates contact.

          As an industry-leading debt recovery company, PRA determined that it had the opportunity — and the responsibility — to directly address the problem with practical solutions.

          As part of this service, PRA bears the cost of obtaining a dedicated specialist from a major credit bureau company that will assist the identity theft victim in filling out all of the paperwork associated with identity theft, including police reports, credit bureau notifications, and information on how to file a complaint with the FTC.

          “Identity theft is one of the fastest growing crimes in America,” said Steve Fredrickson, PRA chairman, president and chief executive officer. “The House of Representatives Committee on Ways and Means identified with a survey that it takes an average victim about $500 and 30 hours to resolve an identity theft case.

          “The good news is that most cases can be fully resolved and powerful steps can be put in place to minimize any future risks,” Frederickson added. “Portfolio Recovery Associates is committed to working with individuals to remediate and avoid these stressful occurrences, and we are doing our part to help.”

          PRA Verification Services is the latest in a series of customer service innovations provided by Portfolio Recovery Associates. The program is available free of charge to individuals who are determined eligible via preliminary screening. We refer those individuals to a major credit bureau company only if the individual wants to take advantage of the offer.

          Portfolio Recovery Associates, Inc., a specialized financial services company, is a market leader in the consumer debt purchase and collection industry. The Company, which has purchased more than $56 billion of defaulted consumer debt since its inception, has operations in 10 states, approximately 25 million customer accounts and nearly 2,500 employees. Portfolio Recovery Associates also provides a broad range of fee-based services through its subsidiaries: PRA Government Services, LLC, MuniServices, LLC, PRA Location Services, LLC, and Claims Compensation Bureau, LLC. Portfolio Recovery Associates has a longstanding culture of compliance, and for four consecutive years has been named to the Forbes 100 Best Small Companies in America annual rankings list (2007 – 2010).

          All information contained in this post is for informational and amusement purposes only.
          Bankruptcy is a process, not an event.......

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            #6
            How nice of them, eh Frogger?

            Identity theft could not exist without the financial industry lobbing our data - OUR data - from there to here, here to there. So they want to profit by selling the blood they shed...nice.

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              #7
              It's important to point out a misleading statement in the original story. The people that the MN Star mention as being arrested are not being put in jail for not paying their debts. Instead, they’re being jailed for not filling out a court-mandated form or for not appearing at a court hearing. The problem is that many of these people: (a) never received the court forms or notices; or (b) had no idea that they could go to jail if they didn’t follow the rules.

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                #8
                You will only be jailed if you dont respond to the summons to appear with financial docs! I was served in fall of 2010 after having Amex sue and receive a default judgement. They then set a court date for me to show proof a employment and tax returns filed. I showed up to court but due to the fact I was served 4 days prior to court the atty reset my date. I missed the reset date in November after a family death that week. I thought oh well should not be a big deal.......WRONG last month I have two officers show up at my home to arrest me for contempt of court for not showing. I had to post bail and be booked. NEVER a crime commited in my life other that speeding! LOL! So the moral of the story DO not miss court!!!!
                Down but not out!! filed c7 august 2011...341 september 2011... Unsecured debt over $100k.....bk attorney $1200.......bkforum.com Priceless!!!!!

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