2008 Presidential Election

[Bandit]

You sure like to rant.

I haven't insulted anyone. BUT if someone wants to post some lying trash about a candidate I will counter with the facts. Apparently this upsets those who prefer to post lies and trash and rumors and not get challenged. If that's what you think is being insulted, well tough.

Obama could punch you right in the nose & say he never punched you in the nose & you would believe it. BUt hey, that is your right to vote for who you choose & if the man has convinced you then no one is going to change that.
Just like those whom he has not convinced, he & the others will never convince us.

after all, what other choice do you really have? that is correct... NONE.

tHE ONLY thing you counter with is double talk from politicians (prefer dems) who need to cover up there lies, so you vote for them & feel good for doing it.

& yes you have put words into peoples mouths here that they never said that they have to go back track & straighten it out & yes you have insulted people here & they have told you so, not just me. I really dont want to have point them out to you & make it embarassing.

I have strong opinions & people here know it- but one thing I never do is make personal attacks & insults on the individuals who post here. That is a rule of this board.

You sure like to rant.

so what. & so do you. & so do many other members here. RANT RANT RANT! If you dont like it you dont have to read it, you dont have to respond, just as I also do not have to read it or respond.

So carry on. Up The Revolution.

We will. I will straighten you out yet

I understand that politicians of reddish blue are permitted to tell lies to get votes, do you? That is how they win by making you believe there is more than one choice when they run trapping there own lies back & forths. Yet when it comes down to really making a good leader, they dont have clue how to run this country because they are bred to fight for the power & elitism.

BTW- I still liked Reagan though he was your basic hollywood liar, he did have a heartbeat for America & I feel the Clintons do to in their own little elitist ways. Do you know anything about these global elitists? Or do you just see everyone as blue or red?

Thanks for the notes on your votes. I would think with all that expertise you would have figured out how the two party system (singlular) works by now but you still seem to think there are two distinct systems to choose from. I dont blame you, that is just how people were taught to believe & that there was no alternative that could be better. It actually used to work many, of course many votes ago until government wants to destroy the constitution & take away your freedom & they doing a great job of it because you keep voting on that system.

That is where we differ from you because we only see one system that is pink/purple whatever you choose (not two-one red & one blue)& they all hate & lie to each other in that single system. THAT IS NOT A CHOICE. Just look at the mess, the bickering, the lies, the double talk & start being honest with yourself. ....and there are a whole bunch of people catching on, we just dont know how to fix it yet but we are working on figuring it out by exposing the crooked system itself.

You may not see the change in your life & I may not see it either but the two party system is failing & is being exposed. How that will be fixed, I dont know. You cannot build a democracy based on lies & lying to the people.

by the way I am a huge Lou Dobbs fan, & he rarely makes a mistake that he has to regret from these nutball politicians, in his class of expertise. There are some others out there but he is one of the best.

[WhatMoney]

You sure like to rant.

I haven't insulted anyone. BUT if someone wants to post some lying trash about a candidate I will counter with the facts. Apparently this upsets those who prefer to post lies and trash and rumors and not get challenged. If that's what you think is being insulted, well tough.

You are good at making up things I've never said, and making assumptions about me that are completely false. But I've see you do that to everyone who disagrees with something you've said or takes a different point of view, so that's a big shrug to me. The smarter ones just stay away from this forum anymore I have noticed. Yes I must be really dumb to be here, or bored, or both.

Have you been a blue donkey fan your whole life?

Well, I'll answer that question - since you are so curious.

In the 1950's I supported Eisenhower, wore those "I Like Ike" buttons, and was excited when he was elected both terms. But I was too young to vote in the 1952 and 56 elections. My parents, solid Republicans at the time, voted for him, so I'll count that as a Republican vote. l also actively campaigned for my Uncle, a Republican running for District Attorney - where he won and served two terms. My father thought Harry Truman was a communist and my grandfather said FDR was a socialist. So much for family influences.

I voted for Kennedy and LBJ, but voted for Nixon in '68, another Republican. That was my last mistake. I was serving in the Army/Vietnam and thought he would end the damn war - instead he escalated it.

I have not voted for any more Repubs since then. But I voted for an Independent candidate twice when Clinton was running, both times - so I have never voted for a Clinton. And I'm proud to say I've never voted for a Bush.

Tally: 2 Repubs, 9 Dems, and 2 Independents - blue with a fading reddish hue.

So carry on. Up The Revolution.

[Bandit]

You sound so angry Bandit. I'm not trying to aggrevate you, really, but you take everything in the most negative possible way. Almost impossible to discuss anything here without your attitude.

This IS the 2008 Presidential Election forum, so I have as much right to discuss the candidates we've ended up with as anyone. You like to deride us that may support one of the candidates as "worshipers". That is a prime example of name calling - and you are guilty of it in many of your posts.

Your "blow up the worshipers" post was and still is confusing - since you call me a worshiper. But I assume you are really harmless. Maybe I'm wrong?

In any case - since this thread is now only for the "I-Hate-The-Candidates-And-Everything-They-Stand-For" crowd, I'll just stay away from it for now. I think the moderators might want to change the Title, so any of us still interested in the 2008 election don't accidentally wander in here and get attacked as "worshipers".

Rip those D & R bastards apart guys, Anarchy Rules - Revolution Now!

Kind of like the way you take the reds in the most negative possible way?
I dont have a party for you to attack. wah

no one ever said you cant back your blue people & others cant back their red people. you need to get aware that there are more people rising who reject the two party system that you are so in love with & get used to it.

I cant help it that you worship (campaign) for your blue people & I know I would never try to change that... you are certainly entitled to it. I have read your love for obama like he is a god & you defend every lie of the democratic party like it is your soul military duty. Others have no problem with saying who they like & who they dont like & why, but YOU, insult the members of this board who disagree with you along with campaigning for blue.
Big difference.

if it was not obama oyu would accept anyone as long as they are blue...that is how most people who vote think. I know because I was also trained to think that way...but now I think for myself! Thank You.

& you better believe I am going to point out every single lie & flaw I am aware of for the two party system & its members wether you like it or not. The way I see it, if they lie more than once they wont get my vote as a leader. Isnt that the number two rule of the christians? yet these christian politicians lie like apple pie. perhaps lying means nothing to you, but it means everything to me.

Have you been a blue donkey fan your whole life? I can only guess so because there have surely made your own personal knocks against the red elephants (which is ok) but the blue people are perfect angels & do no wrong in your eyes. NOT..& I will go against your campaign all the way.

I have also read some of your beliefs about how the reds conspire all this stuff against the blue, yet you think blue could never be that way.

I cant change that you are from that school of thought that you think there is an actual difference between red & blue. When there is no more than a splinter difference between mc & oba.

There are people rising who can see what has happened & will continue to expose these people & the system, at least as long as our freedom holds out to do so, while you keep blessing the obama & all who run blue.
If Bush was blue, you would defend him too.

Revolution is on the way & you can't stop it. You can kill em, divide em (like red & blue), you can keep them in debt, but you will never keep the people down forever with system of lies. Not even Caeser or Rome could do it.

Most people who vote admit both parties are screwed up but very few actually campaign for them the way you do. That is party worship.

Angry? yes & so are tens of
millions of other americans because we are fed up with liars in office who abuse the people & their lazy ass positions doing nothing for the people.

...the same liars you glorify.

& my attitude about is never going to change ...I will continue to expose the people you find so dear.

now of course we would not want to investigate & impeach bush & cheneydick...., because just like nixon, there would be about 150 (more or less) other people in congress who WOULD BE BROUGHT DOWN & IMPEACHED RIGHT ALONG WITH HIM!

I am sure she already knows more than we will ever know about these crooks, given that, nancy queen is drinking & sleeping in the same bed. (figure of speech)

[WhatMoney]

You sound so angry Bandit. I'm not trying to aggrevate you, really, but you take everything in the most negative possible way. Almost impossible to discuss anything here without your attitude.

This IS the 2008 Presidential Election forum, so I have as much right to discuss the candidates we've ended up with as anyone. You like to deride us that may support one of the candidates as "worshipers". That is a prime example of name calling - and you are guilty of it in many of your posts.

Your "blow up the worshipers" post was and still is confusing - since you call me a worshiper. But I assume you are really harmless. Maybe I'm wrong?

In any case - since this thread is now only for the "I-Hate-The-Candidates-And-Everything-They-Stand-For" crowd, I'll just stay away from it for now. I think the moderators might want to change the Title, so any of us still interested in the 2008 election don't accidentally wander in here and get attacked as "worshipers".

Rip those D & R bastards apart guys, Anarchy Rules - Revolution Now!

[Bandit]

That obnoxious young lady in the U-tube video needs updating (and a tranquilizer). Pelosi has changed her mind recently. .

recently? how nice.

oh that is right nancy the eltist is a democrat. so we need to back her regardless of her personal agenda & admitting to her mistakes, we call that changing our minds. har har
maybe a little more hair spray on the left & one more pearl on the neck will change our minds, that is what she thinks.

[Bandit]

Blue and red make purple last time I played with my paint set.

So you want to blow up the American voters, all of them into a zillion pieces, who vote for either candidate this election? Is that what you mean by "worshipers"? Or are you restricting worshipers to the religious voters only? Your post is confusing if not alarming.

Nice try trying to make people look bad, again.

You should not put words into peoples mouths that they did not say. You have a real bad habit of doing that, which only makes yourself look bad & then people have to waste their time calling you on it.

You have every right to worship your obama & your pink or purple people, in your case, you only like the blue ones. But you are going to have to deal with those who disagree with you, without insulting them & without putting words into peoples mouth just to satisfy your own agenda.

I realize that you enjoy to argue with people over stupid things & can never address the facts which makes for a very boring dialogue as you worship your blue people...and if you do, then you deny their flaws for your own pressure of being backed against a wall because you have no choice but a blue politician. kind of like the way you change your postings after others respond, But people still, still see it.

There are indeed quite a few around here who reject the two party system, so get used to it, just as we have gotten used to those who party worship liars as we know they will step on your face & laugh right after you vote for them, that does not mean we are going to join it.

You should try playing with your paint set more often because you can also get many shades of pink from red & blue. Of course you knew that, you just needed to try and insult someone like you do others, to try and exault yourself a little higher than the other members here who also have a view & an opinion about government.

Blowing up voters & threatening others belongs to the global elitists, the kind of people you vote for... I dont quite fit that category nor did I ever say I was doing that.

Your type of intimidation by turning your accusations into question form is not going to work either.
What insults or personal attacks do you have next?

[WhatMoney]

they (blue & red makes pink) could all be sitting at their big fat, pink, 25 million dollar pig trough, right along with those who worship them & be blown up into a zillion pieces at the same time. That would be like yanking sadaams head off his shoulders.
That is a dream ticket.

Blue and red make purple last time I played with my paint set.

So you want to blow up the American voters, all of them into a zillion pieces, who vote for either candidate this election? Is that what you mean by "worshipers"? Or are you restricting worshipers to the religious voters only? Your post is confusing if not alarming.

[WhatMoney]

That obnoxious young lady in the U-tube video needs updating (and a tranquilizer). Pelosi has changed her mind recently. But of course it makes no difference because a) it's too late, and b) she's flip-flopping, and c) she's just lying again. Did I miss anything? I've supported impeaching Bush AND Cheney for the last 6 years. Makes no difference - it's not going to happen.

BTW, who is "Smush"? You can use real names here - you're already in the Homeland Security computers.

Pelosi Slips Impeachment Onto the Table

The Nation -- As Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich moved a "privileged resolution" to force House to consider the question of whether President Bush should be impeached for lying to Congress and the American people about the reasons for invading and occupying Iraq, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi surprised almost everyone by suggesting that the Judiciary Committee might indeed take up the issue.

Pelosi, who famously declared impeachment to be "off the table" before the 2006 election, now suggests that hearings on the president's high crimes and misdemeanors are a distinct possibility.

"My expectation is that there will be some review of that in the committee," the California Democrat told reporters Thursday.

"This is a Judiciary Committee matter, and I believe we will see some attention being paid to it by the Judiciary Committee," Pelosi explained.

The speaker was not suggesting that members of the Judiciary panel would be voting anytime soon on formal impeachment resolutions. Pelosi said she did "not necessarily (see the committee) taking up the articles of impeachment because that would have to be approved on the floor, but to have some hearings on the subject."

Judiciary Committee chair John Conyers, D-Michigan, has indicated that he is reviewing the 35 articles of impeachment Kucinich has proposed for President Bush. He has not indicated, however, whether he intends to hold hearings on any of them or on broads questions of whether violations of their oaths of office, the Constitutionally-defined separation of powers and the laws of the land by the president and Vice President Dick Cheney -- the subject of three impeachment articles submitted by Kucinich -- should be addressed by Congress.

It is no secret that Conyers has felt constrained by Pelosi's "off-the-table" commitment.

Whether her new line opens the door for hearings before the end of the Bush-Cheney presidency remains to be seen.

But Pelosi's remarks do create an opening for the members of the Judiciary Committee, including Florida Democrat Bob Wexler and Wisconsin Democrat Tammy Baldwin, who have co-sponsored Kucinich's articles of impeachment and who have urged the committee to open hearings on issues of presidential accountability.

For his part, Kucinich will keep pressing for action.

"Congress must, in the name of the American people, use the one remedy which the Founders provided for an Executive who gravely abused his power: Impeachment. Congress must reassert itself as a co-equal branch of government; bring this President to an accounting, and in doing so reestablish the people's trust in Congress and in our United States system of government. We must not let this President's conduct go unchallenged and thereby create a precedent which undermines the Constitution," the Ohio congressman said Thursday, as he prepared to introduce his privileged resolution to force consideration of impeachment of a president who he accuses of "deceiving Congress with fabricated threats of Iraq WMDs to fraudulently obtain support for an authorization of the use of military force against Iraq.".

"In the final analysis this is about our Constitution and whether a President can be held accountable for his actions and his deceptions, especially when the effects of those actions have been so calamitous for America, Iraq and the world. Unless Congress reasserts itself as the power branch of government which the Founders intended, our experiment with a republican form of Government may be nearing an end. But when Congress acts to hold this President accountable it will be redeeming the faith that the Founders had in the power of a system of checks and balances which preserves our republic."

John Nichols
Thu Jul 10, 4:08 PM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20...nation/1336149
.

[Bandit]

Spelosi & Spore worship.
pfft

bush could have easily been put into the impeachment process but Spillosi protected him instead. her biggest mistake ever. now we just pretend she never approved of occupying iraq through war as well & never accused iraq of WMD, right along side her buddy Smush who also never accused them of WMD while of course keeping their own WMD. that sounds exactly like who we should have for a leader...another Bush who backstabs & tries to sue her president when all is failing & worships him when all is good. Typicial politics.

worship bush or obama, vote for gore or mccain...they are all the same. it makes no difference.

I admit to not being the brightest bulb, but am wise enough not to worship these fruity politicians as they have no problem backstabbing everyone & anyone along the way, including those who publicly worship them. I would have to question the integrity of those who worship the pink people while at the same time consistently & persistently insult other members here, call them names, & purposely set out to make personal attacks toward the members who disagree with them....just like the pink politicians do to each other.

I would like to think I am a little wiser than that.

they (blue & red makes pink) could all be sitting at their big fat, pink, 25 million dollar pig trough, right along with those who worship them & be blown up into a zillion pieces at the same time. That would be like yanking sadaams head off his shoulders.
That is a dream ticket.

This is great for those young people who can also see pass the lies & doubletalk in congress, you will like this phone call!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHs3tkEags8

[WhatMoney]

There's even a rumor that Obama could pick Al Gore as his running mate. Then if the right wingers or the Jews assassinate Obama after the election, we would have Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi running the country. A dream ticket.

This is SATIRE btw, for those that cannot tell the difference.

[Bandit]

But Bandit, this is Amerrrrrica. The greatest country on earth wouldnt succumb to such corruption. Our vote does count and we the people can implement change through the secret ballot. <snicker>

That is how we got to be the greatest & most courrpt, lie after lie after lie after cheat...& all along I was taught that China & Russia are the greatest liars & the evil enemy. Now that changed to Iraq & Iran? (hmmm, which politician should I believe) har! har!

oh! it is going to hurt so bad when the wall comes tumbling down on everyone in these 50 states.

oh I know. I had this discussion at the dinner table with an old friend & she asked for proof. I said, 'proof smoof'. As soon I showed them florida (two different elections) & michigan, that shut her up real quick, but she still will not fully acknowledge it.
are the people really this ignorant to what is happening? or is that they simply cannot acknowledge it out of maybe, fear?

We were all brainwashed at 18 years old to trust the two party system when they forced us to take Government in order to graduate. Then after voting a few times & questioning things by paying close attention we begin to realize how corrupt it really is...and may the best liar win! Hooray USA!

I love youtube. It shuts people up real fast when you hear the lies & inconsistency put together on video, right from the horses mouth but there will always be those few who simply cannot comprehend or simpy refuse to acknowledge how corrupt these politicians are. Maybe they are ashamed/regret voting for the WRONG one instead of the 'right one' ... *snickers*...and this time will vote for the right one!

I remember my old uncle just before he died...big into politics, trying to convince me that Gore was the dishonest one & Bush was the honest man & that I should not trust Gore but I should trust Bush!! On his death bed he was telling me this crap...just like politicians persuade people to believe lies. He was the type to back his vote til death do us part. I know a couple people like that but most people have no problem admitting they regret their vote.

I see where my uncles vote got us just before he died...a drunken, lying sob...well, there are no words.

oh oh oh...then I always get a kick out of the few who say, if you dont like it here, then leave & move to another country. But what would be the point of moving to another country when the same exact b.s. goes on there that goes on in the USA. *double snickers*

well, maybe switzerland would be ok...after all, they hold all the kings & elitists extra money..of course they are going to remain neutral!!
or maybe australia...at least they have balls there to throw the extremists out.

While I have no problem pointing out the corruption & liars of the two party system, I wish I had the answers but I don't...other than these red & blue makes purplish pink politicians must be stopped.

ah, That was good lunch.
BURP

[fltoo]

[QUOTE=bmrigs;175046]Once again, you dont try to dispute my points

NOW you are getting my point.

[bmrigs]

& of course we just ignore the fact that some of these people have no problem taking 600,000 votes from one candidate & giving them to whomever they choose...then people wonder why we have the fewest voters of any nation in these various elections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNotZJoZR-4

solid proof that if government today decides to over ride your vote, & change your vote for someone else, they will do it. It shows how flawed the voting system in the USA really is!

But Bandit, this is Amerrrrrica. The greatest country on earth wouldnt succumb to such corruption. Our vote does count and we the people can implement change through the secret ballot. <snicker>

[bmrigs]

I didn't quote anything at all. I am not a moron. Quote away. I bet you can fill at least 200 more pages of nonsense.

My point is that anyone can back up anything they have to say. Pay attention.

Once again, you dont try to dispute my points but just claim its nonsense. What a tool.

[Bandit]

& of course we just ignore the fact that some of these people have no problem taking 600,000 votes from one candidate & giving them to whomever they choose...then people wonder why we have the fewest voters of any nation in these various elections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNotZJoZR-4

solid proof that if government today decides to over ride your vote, & change your vote for someone else, they will do it. It shows how flawed the voting system in the USA really is!