With the shows now....

[Genenco]

I tell you. Yesterday and today, I am home dealing with an abcess, no probs, it comes and goes, have an appointment with doc next week (After work) and so, it's good.

But in the past 3 months, I've just been disgusted by the shows on TV. So, yes, as funny as it sounds, been watching more childrens programming. The nice thing I see, is that they have been programming more "Thought" into them and for once, they are actually educational.

But the good thing also, is I don't have to see (In some shows with police and such) bodies splayed out in situations that would make a priest barf. Is this the way we as adults are expected to think and behave?

I tell you...It's just strange how or why we allow this to go on...

I know, write to the sponsors and crap, but lot of good that would do, shows are too popular (That many like seeing garbage like that?) and so, I'll just sit at home, watching something not intended to blow my gaskets...

[Minnymouth]

I saw on the news the other night that not only is Congress investigating the big profits of the oil companies this last quarter, but they are also investigating MANY COMPLAINTS from parents over all the "smut" on TV programs again. The use of foul language in programs that kids watch even the cartoons.

I am a very "broad" minded person and I feel like "each to his own", but I do not like it when I see all these gay shows on during the afternoon for kids to watch!! Men kissing men on the mouth, and talking about their gay partners.

Young kids with straight parents do not understand most of this type programming and become more and more curious about it.

When you pick up a 6 year old after school and he sits in the back seat with his brother talking about penis's and homo's something is wrong in school!!!

One of the boys asked me if I was "gay"..... I asked him why he asked... He said you don't have a husband!!! I asked him what "gay" meant - and he really wasn't sure how to answer me..... Needless to say, topic was changed pretty quick.... Guess he thought I didn't know, huh!!!

Made me think of my poor old mother, been gone about 5 years now.... She was 78 years old and at 72 she asked her sister "what is a homosexual" and "how does it work"?

I thought her sister (62) would fall out in the floor. Yes, there are very niave people still in the world.

I hope they do something about the afternoon programming that little ones watch. They learn things much too quickly as it is.....

Nowdays they teach babie's love, affection, touchy, touchy, and kissy, kissy, everybody. When they get a little older(8-13), its your not supposed to be kissing anybody, then when they get a little bit older (13-18).....it's who you sleeping with?? No wonder kids are confused!!!

Genuine affection is great, meant to be! Many children grow up with out it. Instead they see it all on TV.
Kids watching groping, sexual contact, actions, partner to partner on TV is not a good thing, and never will be.....

The power of suggestion stays in their mind! And their curiousty often gets the best of them!!

Many kids their programing is going unsupervised. What a shame..... and later on their parents are on the defensive (not my kid- he wouldn't do that)......

Gosh, I'm venting again today, aren't I?

At least it's not about BANKRUPTCY AND MY LAWYER!!

LOL,

Minny

[Genenco]

I am a very "broad" minded person and I feel like "each to his own", but I do not like it when I see all these gay shows on during the afternoon for kids to watch!! Men kissing men on the mouth, and talking about their gay partners.

Young kids with straight parents do not understand most of this type programming and become more and more curious about it.

When you pick up a 6 year old after school and he sits in the back seat with his brother talking about penis's and homo's something is wrong in school!!!

D

I haven't seen anything like that yet Minny, but I know there was some furor about Spongebob square pants having 2 female fish living together (like this is really abnormal as maybe they are simply friends and such) but I agree that sexual references at that age really aren't appropiate...

Reminds me of the time I read in Mad Magazine, 2 parents were talking over sex education coming to their scholl. And the father said "Over my dead body" would he allow it...Then the mother said "Well, then it's up to you to explain it to them" and he said "OVER MY DEAD BODY!"

And that's the funny thing, some parents are embaressed to explain to their own kids how they came into the world as the parents had such fun doing it!

[Minnymouth]

Yeah, parents are afraid to "talk to their kids"......
Kids have lots of questions, many that go unanswered, then they go looking for the answer and end up getting the answer in the wrong context or the wrong place.

I've never seen so many parents "afraid" of their kids!!
I believe in sex education in the schools...... if not for it I would STILL BE STUPID...... But I believe it belongs at middle school or high school level. Not first graders!!!

They started sex education in the high schools when I went to school. I remember well the first classes. Of course it was only high school students then....

WONDER IF ALL THAT SEX EDUCATION WE GOT CAUSED "WOODSTOCK"...............LOL

Well, what sex education I did get, kept my head on straight and my pants up until I was old enough to handle it..... and I'm a "Woodstock Flower Child"...........

Never brought any unwanted babies home, made sure I covered all my bases so to speak......

Guess it did teach me a few things.

I asked my mother when I was 50 if we could NOW talk about SEX and her response was "are you getting married"?? I said NO..... She said then there's nothing to talk about!!!

Life is full of fun and games, huh!!!!

If I had depended on what my mother taught me - I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN BIG TROUBLE..............

Just another thought on the subject,

Minny

[MRDEBTSTER]

Yeah, parents are afraid to "talk to their kids"......
Kids have lots of questions, many that go unanswered, then they go looking for the answer and end up getting the answer in the wrong context or the wrong place.

I've never seen so many parents "afraid" of their kids!!
I believe in sex education in the schools...... if not for it I would STILL BE STUPID...... But I believe it belongs at middle school or high school level. Not first graders!!!

They started sex education in the high schools when I went to school. I remember well the first classes. Of course it was only high school students then....

WONDER IF ALL THAT SEX EDUCATION WE GOT CAUSED "WOODSTOCK"...............LOL

Well, what sex education I did get, kept my head on straight and my pants up until I was old enough to handle it..... and I'm a "Woodstock Flower Child"...........

Never brought any unwanted babies home, made sure I covered all my bases so to speak......

Guess it did teach me a few things.

I asked my mother when I was 50 if we could NOW talk about SEX and her response was "are you getting married"?? I said NO..... She said then there's nothing to talk about!!!

Life is full of fun and games, huh!!!!

If I had depended on what my mother taught me - I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN BIG TROUBLE..............

Just another thought on the subject,

Minny

I know a fellow that said to his twelve year old," Son, I think it's time we had a talk about sex." His kid answered, "Sure dad, what do you need to know?"

[AAAArt]

We started getting sex ed. classes in the 7th grade in CA (1960). I think if handled appropriately, there is nothing wrong with explaining differences and appropriateness to elementary school teachers or explaining where babies come from in an elementary way. (Pun - semi-intended)
Fred Rogers was the master of being able to talk to kids about anything without ever talking down to them. A lot of people don't like Fred because he's so slow, but he did a lot of great parenting advice and sometimes when I am alone at home and feeling down, I will see his show on and still tune in at the age of 57.
Never hurts to hear someone tell me, "I like you just the way you are."
Art

[AAAArt]

More on my mind

I taught my kids that words had only the power which we gave them. If everyone decided that "gobbledygook" was the worst thing that we could say, then we'd all be saying "No 12 letter words allowed"
My youngest was afraid of scary movies. No real problem there, that's pretty normal. One day we were watching "Raiders of the Lost Ark" on a VCR tape. At one scene she got really scared and started crying. I stopped the movie and realized that she wasn't able to distinguish the dif between made-up and real, but that she was at an age where this was something she needed to know. I re-wound the tape and we went through that scene one frame at a time, so that whe could see that the people weren't really melting (or whatever had scared her) Worked like a dream.
My problem is with what supposedly adult mature principled people think is great. (We can basically all agree on what is smut and unacceptable) Remember the movie "Bridges of Madison County?" Everyone raved about it. What was so great about a married woman having an affair while her husband was gone? We've elevated to normal and desirable, ending a relationship or marriage just because we "fall in love" with someone.
Before the first episode of NYPD Blue hit the airwaves there was a massive attack by some religious groups because of profanity and nudity scheduled. Over the years, NYPD Blue dealt with so many profound issues affecting our society, in such an honest and principled manner that I feel that it was a great show. Now, personally, I never wanted to see Andy's bare butt, but it didn't send me into therapy or to a confeesional and I doubt if it would send me to hell.
It is the subtle issues we need to watch out for. Police shows and "24" throwing the constitution out of the window in order to "save the world" subtly influence us that human rights and coinstitutional rights are only "nice theoretical ideas" which can be done away with if expedient, rather than these being the fabric which holds our democracy together and makes us different than dictatorships (beneficient or malicious).
Rant mode off. Art

[robivi3]

Min and all, I am glad to know that there are still "right thinkers" in the world. My boys and I watched Saving Private Ryan tonite. I recounted to them the memmories of my fathers friends and growing up in Nashville in the 60's. I never knew "homosexual", "child molester", "pervert", or any other such term. These were men all. I see programs about the 60's and all today showing this "undertone" of abuse and treating it as though us kids were so savvy about this stuff back then. I tell you my life more resembled "Sandlot" than anything else. It was such a different world.

I love memmory of a "big kid" in our neighborhood named Jerry. I still remember us little guys following him around while he and his two friends shot snakes with 22's. In the suburbs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guns pointed at the ground, the thought of pointing it at a person UTTERLY absurd, it wouldn't have crossed their minds. First off, aLL of our fathers were VETERANS. We had been taught the use of a weapon. They'd have been beaten soundly and rightly had they misused their guns.

Communists were bad and siezed private property and were NOT trading partners! Those who fled were heros. I have recounted the stories of the East German Girl alying on a Bridge dying, shot trying to ESCAPE. A crowd of West Germans trying to break through Police to rescue her but she died.

I don't love this "NEW WORLD ORDER" or it's depraved morality. I find it disturbing. Long ago I made it clear to my boys that I would raise them as I saw fit. That if they chose to take a certain path the state could raise them. That if they chose to make a phone call that would violate my authority they would never live with us again. I have never had any serious problems with my boys. For some reason and not just good parenting i have really been spared. Even the grades have shot up and the GPA's are climbing. My youngest has finally realized that i was not playing a game when I gave him the "destination Iraq" speech before school started. My wife would not stop me either, I've always backed up my words to them. Funny thing is, it wouldn't enter his mind to defy me at his age. Like told him "if you don't want to make the grades and take advantage of the FREE College Education (only requires a B average) offered by the State of Florida then "the US Army hath prepared thee a place of refuge from the rigors of American Life".

When my parents moved down here all the morality in my world around me changed. I was in "Nightmare on Elm Street" compared to Tennessee. Education was not what i recieved in Nautilus Jr. High or Miami Beach High. I zoned out and lost direction for a long time. It was Christ and the Assemblies of God that reeled me back to reality and a firm footing in life. Thank God for them. The one thing is that I always loved my Dad and even though moving here was a downturn in his life I've never resented him for it. This man could do little wrong and he is still to me the man who singlehandedly defeated the Japanese. I knew it only from pictures though, it was not until the mid 90's that he finally broke down and told me all the stories. Especially Leyte where they hunkered down with few supplies to defend a tiny airfield and could hear the screams of men a mile away being killed by the Japs. In the Jungle they had to reuse needles and that is how come he silently (but i had seen him administering his own shots until the late 60's) suffered for years with the lingering effects of serum hepatitus. After three years and burning with fever he went out into the Jap filled streets of Manilla and declared the War over. He had to be tackled down and sent to San Diego in a plane while laying in a tub of ice. He refused a medical discharge because he said it would be embarrassing and would end his advancement at Bell Systems. He stayed in until the end. He tried to join the Naval Air Corps on December 8th, 1941. Like the movie Pearl Harbor they left the eye test until the last day of the week, it was the last thing they did. That way they already had your medical results in case they needed pilots. He had 20/25 so they refused him. He went home and waited for the notice. By March 1942 he was on his way to New Guinea and would be home 'til late 1945. He was a "Carrier Repeaterman", in other words a Radio Man by virtue of his math skills and training with Bell and Western Electric. He was also the most fun person to ever take a road trip with. My greatest memmory of him is standing on the steps of the Washington Masonic Temple in Alexandria and his hand being on my shoulder while we looked at the Great Buildings across the Potomac. "I've seen them in films all my life, now I finally get to see them". This is the same man who packed real care packages with his friends for Soldiers in Desert Storm and who expressed his concern for the troops to me on several occasions. This is the man who never, even though a Southerner, passed a Soldier by without giving him a ride. Many a young black or white Georgia or Tennessee Soldier got a ride during Vietnam in my Dads 300SEL. "Son" he would say "you never refuse a ride to a Soldier, he may be dead and thsi may be the last time his family sees him". This man never expressed hate and when he took me to Savannah I remember him saying how nice it was that a black man could at last sit down and eat in The Pirates Cove.

As far as TV, I do not watch any sitcoms EVER anymore. I am tired of stupid one liners and being told what to laugh at. TV has sunk to new lows. I hate this Redneck Show that is on. I despise bathroom humor on TV, all of it. My boys know to get it off when i am present. I wasn't raised like that.

AAART, sorry to get off the thread. I tend to do that. Your last paragraph is dead center. This conditional thinking is scary. It is scary to think that so many in authority will for the sake of bread violate our rights. So long as they are fed.

[tinroofrusted]

Min and all, I am glad to know that there are still "right thinkers" in the world. My boys and I watched Saving Private Ryan tonite. I recounted to them the memmories of my fathers friends and growing up in Nashville in the 60's. I never knew "homosexual", "child molester", "pervert", or any other such term. These were men all. I see programs about the 60's and all today showing this "undertone" of abuse and treating it as though us kids were so savvy about this stuff back then. I tell you my life more resembled "Sandlot" than anything else. It was such a different world.

I love memmory of a "big kid" in our neighborhood named Jerry. I still remember us little guys following him around while he and his two friends shot snakes with 22's. In the suburbs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guns pointed at the ground, the thought of pointing it at a person UTTERLY absurd, it wouldn't have crossed their minds. First off, aLL of our fathers were VETERANS. We had been taught the use of a weapon. They'd have been beaten soundly and rightly had they misused their guns.

Communists were bad and siezed private property and were NOT trading partners! Those who fled were heros. I have recounted the stories of the East German Girl alying on a Bridge dying, shot trying to ESCAPE. A crowd of West Germans trying to break through Police to rescue her but she died.

I don't love this "NEW WORLD ORDER" or it's depraved morality. I find it disturbing. Long ago I made it clear to my boys that I would raise them as I saw fit. That if they chose to take a certain path the state could raise them. That if they chose to make a phone call that would violate my authority they would never live with us again. I have never had any serious problems with my boys. For some reason and not just good parenting i have really been spared. Even the grades have shot up and the GPA's are climbing. My youngest has finally realized that i was not playing a game when I gave him the "destination Iraq" speech before school started. My wife would not stop me either, I've always backed up my words to them. Funny thing is, it wouldn't enter his mind to defy me at his age. Like told him "if you don't want to make the grades and take advantage of the FREE College Education (only requires a B average) offered by the State of Florida then "the US Army hath prepared thee a place of refuge from the rigors of American Life".

When my parents moved down here all the morality in my world around me changed. I was in "Nightmare on Elm Street" compared to Tennessee. Education was not what i recieved in Nautilus Jr. High or Miami Beach High. I zoned out and lost direction for a long time. It was Christ and the Assemblies of God that reeled me back to reality and a firm footing in life. Thank God for them. The one thing is that I always loved my Dad and even though moving here was a downturn in his life I've never resented him for it. This man could do little wrong and he is still to me the man who singlehandedly defeated the Japanese. I knew it only from pictures though, it was not until the mid 90's that he finally broke down and told me all the stories. Especially Leyte where they hunkered down with few supplies to defend a tiny airfield and could hear the screams of men a mile away being killed by the Japs. In the Jungle they had to reuse needles and that is how come he silently (but i had seen him administering his own shots until the late 60's) suffered for years with the lingering effects of serum hepatitus. After three years and burning with fever he went out into the Jap filled streets of Manilla and declared the War over. He had to be tackled down and sent to San Diego in a plane while laying in a tub of ice. He refused a medical discharge because he said it would be embarrassing and would end his advancement at Bell Systems. He stayed in until the end. He tried to join the Naval Air Corps on December 8th, 1941. Like the movie Pearl Harbor they left the eye test until the last day of the week, it was the last thing they did. That way they already had your medical results in case they needed pilots. He had 20/25 so they refused him. He went home and waited for the notice. By March 1942 he was on his way to New Guinea and would be home 'til late 1945. He was a "Carrier Repeaterman", in other words a Radio Man by virtue of his math skills and training with Bell and Western Electric. He was also the most fun person to ever take a road trip with. My greatest memmory of him is standing on the steps of the Washington Masonic Temple in Alexandria and his hand being on my shoulder while we looked at the Great Buildings across the Potomac. "I've seen them in films all my life, now I finally get to see them". This is the same man who packed real care packages with his friends for Soldiers in Desert Storm and who expressed his concern for the troops to me on several occasions. This is the man who never, even though a Southerner, passed a Soldier by without giving him a ride. Many a young black or white Georgia or Tennessee Soldier got a ride during Vietnam in my Dads 300SEL. "Son" he would say "you never refuse a ride to a Soldier, he may be dead and thsi may be the last time his family sees him". This man never expressed hate and when he took me to Savannah I remember him saying how nice it was that a black man could at last sit down and eat in The Pirates Cove.

As far as TV, I do not watch any sitcoms EVER anymore. I am tired of stupid one liners and being told what to laugh at. TV has sunk to new lows. I hate this Redneck Show that is on. I despise bathroom humor on TV, all of it. My boys know to get it off when i am present. I wasn't raised like that.

AAART, sorry to get off the thread. I tend to do that. Your last paragraph is dead center. This conditional thinking is scary. It is scary to think that so many in authority will for the sake of bread violate our rights. So long as they are fed.

I just got choked up when I read this.

One thing that really stuck out is that yuo said the Assemblies of God helped you out. I am really glad to hear that. When I went through my divorce, they shunned me and turned their back on me, when I needed my church the most....

However, I am in my mid twenties, and very much a "right minded thinker." I abhor murder, abortion, "sexual preference" and a host of other non-conforming ways, and won't support it. In fact, I was stalked and harassed for more than two years by a woman that I met at a "save marriage" rally. She was homosexual, and very hateful. To put it in a nutshell, it took the law, and her finally getting arrested (on other matters not related to the stalking) to have it stopped. It was awful. The way and the route that these people go to get their agendas across scares me sometimes.

Speaking of this, did anyone hear about the 9th Circuit Court? They told parents that it is now the public school system's job to teach your children, and educate them on sex; not yours.

What kind of world are we living in?!

[robivi3]

Tin, I was reeled in by an old Texas John Hagee style Pastor whose memmory I cherish. I know how churches can turn on decent people. I know how rumors start. I have seen Churches divide. That is devestating. We build friends and relations in Church nad when trouble comes it is almost as if Christians drag the wounded out into the courtyard and shoot them. I really try not to do that with people. I hate rumors, having been a victim of them i can tell you i shoot them down when they come to me.

I have gay neighbors. They are fairly quiet, except during football season when they stay up late on the Patio outside. When they have argued on occasion, the arguments are viscous and violent. My wife has several gay co-workers as do i. Some are into the agenda, heavily. I find their actions against some of our local Churches, notably Dr. D. James kennedy horribly disturbing. A gang of men screaming at the Church doors, and it never made the news, "send out your children", makes my blood boil. Bill Kamal (our former weather anchor, second to Brian Norcross who ahd his own same sex scandaL in the Grove) was an openly gay man seeking a 14 year old boy for "not just great sex but a Father-son relationship". My God, have we sunk to this? The disturbing thing is that it is just news, we are not outraged! People are defending him. I am very concerned as to where we are heading. Bush has not turned out to be Reagan, he is far more liberal than I dreamed. Our leaders are shells of morality and American ideals and it does have an affect on the Nation as a whole.

[robivi3]

Gen, Spongebob was just stupid fun until Nick got bought out by the Company that owns MTV. Now an agenda is applied to all of the old staple cartoons. Some, like Rugrats used to be very conservative but now are laced with liberal overtones.

In regard to the Courts. Abraham Lincoln found it necessary to walk all over the Constitution during a crisis. When he suspended the Writ of Habeus Corpus (a Judges obligation to meet a prisoner to determine whether he was lawfully in custody) the Supreme Court stated that he might be brought before the law for the breach. Mr. Lincoln responded that it might be necessary to arrest the members of the Supreme Court. The issue was laid to rest. I am not condoning his act, I am a Southerner and a decendant of CSA vets. I do however respect his moral clarity. Moral clarity is a rare virtue in leaders these days. I wish the Lincolns, Roosevelts (both), Reagans with all of their human faults inhabited the highest Offices in the land. If a man makes his purpose high and his ideals clear alot can be forgiven.

God help this Country, what did our fathers fight for? Freedom? Rights? Protection from siezure of private property by those more powerful? Now if Pfizer wants to build a plant on your home you can't stop them!! How long before we are denied access to justice? When will and who will have to take up arms against overbearing and abusive authority? Us or our children. Honestly, if the powers above attempt to disarm me, I will die. You only live a short while and as i get older I know the days are fewer and my life isn't so precious that i would hang onto it by giving up my power to resist or defend. I will not hide weapons in the ground like a criminal the way my friends had to in Cuba. If they take away my right to bear openly i will defend it openly. This is not vain preaching, i set my mind to this long ago.

Also, I wanted to add one thing, off subject. this Forum is a family and i appreciate those who have stayed beyond their BK's. I know that we joke and fuss and may even flirt at times, DISTANTLY always, respecting that fact that we have husbands and wives. I just wanted you all to know that you are appreciated and loved in the context of our BK family.

[Genenco]

Also, I wanted to add one thing, off subject. this Forum is a family and i appreciate those who have stayed beyond their BK's. I know that we joke and fuss and may even flirt at times, DISTANTLY always, respecting that fact that we have husbands and wives. I just wanted you all to know that you are appreciated and loved in the context of our BK family.

Flirting? Here? Dang, not been that lucky

[tinroofrusted]

I have gay neighbors. They are fairly quiet, except during football season when they stay up late on the Patio outside. When they have argued on occasion, the arguments are viscous and violent. My wife has several gay co-workers as do i. Some are into the agenda, heavily. I find their actions against some of our local Churches, notably Dr. D. James kennedy horribly disturbing. A gang of men screaming at the Church doors, and it never made the news, "send out your children", makes my blood boil. Bill Kamal (our former weather anchor, second to Brian Norcross who ahd his own same sex scandaL in the Grove) was an openly gay man seeking a 14 year old boy for "not just great sex but a Father-son relationship". My God, have we sunk to this? The disturbing thing is that it is just news, we are not outraged! People are defending him. I am very concerned as to where we are heading. Bush has not turned out to be Reagan, he is far more liberal than I dreamed. Our leaders are shells of morality and American ideals and it does have an affect on the Nation as a whole.

Remember in the Bible when Lot was hosting angels and the "bad men" of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted him to release the angels to them so they could "have their way with them?"

When you said that line about "send out your children" that reminded me of that.

I personally don't give a rat's behind what people do behind closed doors. Everyone has to stand and answer for themselves one day. I do, however, have a problem with people forcing their agenda on me, that I don't want to hear about, and the potential that is there to (one day!) force it on my children. That scares me to death.