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    #16
    TO choose between Bush and Gore or Kerry, I chose Bush even though I do not like some of his policies. At least he has keep us safe for eight years and fought terrorism with cow-towing, knows presidential ethics. The problem with Bush was some of his advisers were RINO's and catered to the muslims. Tied the troops hand by not giving them full control to fight the enemies. Not tough enough to deal with opposition especially the mainstream marxist media. Oh well, he is one of the them (elitist) but at least majority he supported the troops. What happened if Gore or Kerry was the president? Most of the ivy leagues school are just breeding grounds for socialism and communism. Now when it comes to current president please......you cannot add a debt by spending more debt. The irony democrats know how to use their power wherein republican does not have the spine. Both parties failed the American people that is why the tea party was everywhere across the nation. At the end of the day, pray for our country before it's too late.
    File BK7: Jan 4, 2010
    Reschedule 341: Mar 16 2010
    Discharged: Apr 22 2010
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      #17
      Originally posted by AngelinaCatHub View Post
      Well, after reviewing all the above posts, I must clarify something: I am neither Rep, or Dem. As far as Bush looking as a "Hitler", learn something, go back into History (a subject no longer taught in school {in honesty}), to the Weimar Republic and how Hitler was ushered in. You then will see terrorizing similarities.



      It is my belief, we have seen our last voted president and our first permanent "president". ie Fidel Castro.

      You too will see first, deflation, then hyper-inflation.

      BTW, this is only my opinion, AND, so far, I have a right to voice it. Later, maybe not. 'Hub

      When I went to school, they DID teach history. And Bush is like him. Fortunately, he didn't have the power (just like the current president and presidents before Bush didn't) to make himself a permanent president.

      I also have learned enough about economics and the real world to know that there are people who are going to have extreme opinions on all spectrums. And the truth is somewhere in the middle.

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        #18
        Originally posted by liboton21 View Post
        TO choose between Bush and Gore or Kerry, I chose Bush even though I do not like some of his policies. At least he has keep us safe for eight years and fought terrorism with cow-towing, knows presidential ethics.
        Bush made the bullseye on us even bigger. Kept us safe? Tell that to the thousands of soldiers who died in Iraq after Bush declared victory.

        Presidential ethics? There is absolutely nothing ethical about what Bush did. Torture is wrong. And he let it happen. Invading a country under false pretenses is wrong. But he did it anyway. And while he distracted himself with Iraq, Osama Bin Laden went free.

        He made a mockery of the United States. He considered ANYBODY who spoke ill of his policies of being unpatriotic. He joked about, in a press conference that I saw, there not being WMD in Iraq when he had no choice but to admit that there were none. And never was.

        That man knows absolutely nothing about ethics. Or keeping us safe. Just look at the mess we are in now.

        If Gore had been president (and remember, he DID have the popular vote, not Bush), we wouldn't have invaded Iraq and I seriously doubt that it would be as bad as it is now.

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          #19
          Originally posted by helpmeout View Post
          Bush made the bullseye on us even bigger. Kept us safe? Tell that to the thousands of soldiers who died in Iraq after Bush declared victory.

          Presidential ethics? There is absolutely nothing ethical about what Bush did. Torture is wrong. And he let it happen. Invading a country under false pretenses is wrong. But he did it anyway. And while he distracted himself with Iraq, Osama Bin Laden went free.

          He made a mockery of the United States. He considered ANYBODY who spoke ill of his policies of being unpatriotic. He joked about, in a press conference that I saw, there not being WMD in Iraq when he had no choice but to admit that there were none. And never was.

          That man knows absolutely nothing about ethics. Or keeping us safe. Just look at the mess we are in now.

          If Gore had been president (and remember, he DID have the popular vote, not Bush), we wouldn't have invaded Iraq and I seriously doubt that it would be as bad as it is now.
          I don't disagree completely as I did not like Bush or 'Daddy' at all. I am a registered Dem, but vote my feelings. Bush stood up for Country, but in the wrong venue. He finished the war his Dadda didn't. It was personal to him. The real war was what he said at ground zero, we will go after the perpetrators. Let me say it lightly, (in a whisper) Saudi Arabia???

          If true Afghanistan, let us win the damn thing and get out.

          As far as the mess we are in now, HEY it is OBAMA'S watch. He has had eleven months to Eeeff up this Country. YOU are living some of it as well as Bush's stupidity. You cannot blame one without including "Change, you can believe in". Boy do I believe.

          About a popular vote. WE ARE NOT!!!!! A DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!! We have never been. We are a republic. Reason? Our founding Fathers knew that if most voted for free money, they would get it from those who supply it. Then, those who supply it stop working to get the free money too.

          You have heard this before: Democracy, Two wolves and one lamb taking a vote on what to eat tonight.

          What is coming is the decline ( you may call it equalization to the poor countries, as Zimbabwe, Somalia, etc.) to a make us an equal to the whole World. Well, ............. you might count China, Russia, out. They are setting back and laughing all the way to the bank and World conquest. Nikita Khrushchev, (I'm old enough to remember and view it) stated, we will take you down without a shot. You shall fall from within. He was right to date.

          So, a question for all: What are YOU going to do about it? 'Hub
          If I knew it all, would I be here?? Hang in there = Retained attorney 8-06, Filed 12-28-07, Discharge 8-13-08, Finally CLOSED 11-3-09, 3-31-10 AP Dismissed, Informed by incompetent lawyer of CLOSED status, October 14, 2010.

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            #20
            I know Bush made it harder for me to go BK but I would vote for him again in a heartbeat. This guy who has lied since he first became a community organizer is going to cause alot of pain to the average Joe in this country after he and his ilk rob everfyone blind. How anyone of sound mind can believe Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd, the Clintons, Chuck Schumer, Frank Barney, Joe Biden and on and on give a rats ass about anyone except themselves and close family are deluded. They will thankfully soon be booted out of office by a recrudescence of right vs. wrong, truth vs lies. I am still waiting for the "Chanage you can believe In" and transparency. What a bunch of crap!

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              #21
              Originally posted by dakota112 View Post
              I know Bush made it harder for me to go BK but I would vote for him again in a heartbeat. This guy who has lied since he first became a community organizer is going to cause alot of pain to the average Joe in this country after he and his ilk rob everfyone blind. How anyone of sound mind can believe Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd, the Clintons, Chuck Schumer, Frank Barney, Joe Biden and on and on give a rats ass about anyone except themselves and close family are deluded. They will thankfully soon be booted out of office by a recrudescence of right vs. wrong, truth vs lies. I am still waiting for the "Chanage you can believe In" and transparency. What a bunch of crap!
              You may wonder how someone can believe in those you mentioned, but there are just as many that wonder how anyone could believe Bush, Cheney, Boehner, Palin and on and on gives a rats ass about anyone except themselves.

              D you want to give Bush a free ride for all the pain he has caused to the average joe in this country?

              Do you seriously believe there is much of a difference in politicians? They are all evil!!!
              Stopped Payings CC's: 8/14/2009 | Retained Attorney: 9/23/2009 | Filed CH 7: 12/7/2009 | 341 Meeting: 1/21/2010 - Complete | Discharged: 4/9/2010
              "One person pretends to be rich, yet has nothing; another pretends to be poor, yet has great wealth."

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                #22
                NO question in my opinion they are all evil along with 95% of the lawyers who screw this country and its people on a daily basis and derive pleasure in doing so. I am neither democrat or republican. Hell I voted for Ross Perot but he didn't win. In the end, people will wise up and these politicians will have hide under a rock. It has happened historically in every civilization. Please don't take any of this personally. I just think the democrats as a whole engender more hatred towards themselves than the rebublicans as a whole. Both parties ARE rotten.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by dakota112 View Post
                  NO question in my opinion they are all evil along with 95% of the lawyers who screw this country and its people on a daily basis and derive pleasure in doing so. I am neither democrat or republican. Hell I voted for Ross Perot but he didn't win. In the end, people will wise up and these politicians will have hide under a rock. It has happened historically in every civilization. Please don't take any of this personally. I just think the democrats as a whole engender more hatred towards themselves than the rebublicans as a whole. Both parties ARE rotten.
                  Hearing the names Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and so on reminds me of fingernails on a chalkboard. It's NO different when I hear the names Bush, Cheney, Rove, Palin and so on.

                  I think the U.S. is made up of...

                  30% Republicans
                  30% Democrats
                  40% of those that actually have a clue.

                  My parents vote right down the party line for republicans.

                  Charles Manson would get their vote on the republican ticket.
                  Stopped Payings CC's: 8/14/2009 | Retained Attorney: 9/23/2009 | Filed CH 7: 12/7/2009 | 341 Meeting: 1/21/2010 - Complete | Discharged: 4/9/2010
                  "One person pretends to be rich, yet has nothing; another pretends to be poor, yet has great wealth."

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                    #24
                    Limp,
                    I follow what you are saying except for Palin. What has she done to irritate you?

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Kansas1960 View Post
                      Limp,
                      I follow what you are saying except for Palin. What has she done to irritate you?
                      In Alaska, the companies that use the oil pipeline are made to pay large taxes which are then ditributed each year to all Alaskans. Each year every Alaskan citizen gets a check from the state government oil fund for about $1500. Now that actually is socialism, but since Palin never objected to it, we will just pretend it doesn't happen.
                      Stopped Payings CC's: 8/14/2009 | Retained Attorney: 9/23/2009 | Filed CH 7: 12/7/2009 | 341 Meeting: 1/21/2010 - Complete | Discharged: 4/9/2010
                      "One person pretends to be rich, yet has nothing; another pretends to be poor, yet has great wealth."

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                        #26
                        In Alaska, the State Constitution was amended in 1976 to put 25% of the State of Alaska oil income into a special savings account, the Alaska Permanent Fund. The Alaska Permanent Fund invests part of this income in stocks (so there will be cash in poor years). Then it sends a check to the state government and a check to every Alaskan citizen. Even the ten-year-olds get a check.


                        Palin did not start the program and I am not schooled enough if she has attempted to stop it. I do know the progressives have this as a talking point, along with her being "stupid". I am glad she is like the average person and not a East Coast elite who are tied to wall street and hypnotize the masses who love to be taken care of when really they are being controlled. I do not believe Palin is perfect but I agree with her views much more than McCain, Bush, Gore or Obama.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Kansas1960 View Post

                          Palin did not start the program and I am not schooled enough if she has attempted to stop it. I do know the progressives have this as a talking point, along with her being "stupid". I am glad she is like the average person and not a East Coast elite who are tied to wall street and hypnotize the masses who love to be taken care of when really they are being controlled. I do not believe Palin is perfect but I agree with her views much more than McCain, Bush, Gore or Obama.
                          You're right, she didn't start the program. However, she fought to have those taxes raised and under her leadership the taxes did get raised.
                          Stopped Payings CC's: 8/14/2009 | Retained Attorney: 9/23/2009 | Filed CH 7: 12/7/2009 | 341 Meeting: 1/21/2010 - Complete | Discharged: 4/9/2010
                          "One person pretends to be rich, yet has nothing; another pretends to be poor, yet has great wealth."

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by LimpDisc View Post
                            In Alaska, the companies that use the oil pipeline are made to pay large taxes which are then ditributed each year to all Alaskans. Each year every Alaskan citizen gets a check from the state government oil fund for about $1500. Now that actually is socialism, but since Palin never objected to it, we will just pretend it doesn't happen.
                            No, that's not the classic definition of socialism -- at least as I understand it. Socialism takes away wealth from some private individuals and redistrbutes it to others.

                            Alaska, on the other hand, recognizes that the natural resources (read "oil")of the state belong to all its citizens and give the money back that it's sale generates to the same people who owned it originally.
                            Pay no attention to anything I post. I graduated last in my class from a fly-by-night law school that no longer exists; I never studied or went to class; and I only post on internet forums when I'm too drunk to crawl away from the computer.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by MSbklawyer View Post
                              No, that's not the classic definition of socialism -- at least as I understand it. Socialism takes away wealth from some private individuals and redistrbutes it to others.
                              This country has taken wealth away from others and redistributed it for years. Not sure why some think it just started to happen on January 01st of this year.
                              Stopped Payings CC's: 8/14/2009 | Retained Attorney: 9/23/2009 | Filed CH 7: 12/7/2009 | 341 Meeting: 1/21/2010 - Complete | Discharged: 4/9/2010
                              "One person pretends to be rich, yet has nothing; another pretends to be poor, yet has great wealth."

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                                #30
                                The government took half of my wealth away in the form of taxes, bank took a huge amount in the form of interest on interest on interest($1,000 borrowed at 16% earns the bank almost $3,000 in 20 years) and my work was undervalued and poorly and many times not compensated.I was doomed from the beginning. Live and learn and I have learned. Will not repeat these mistakes again. I guess I was socialized.

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