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    What do you guys think? War in Georgia the start of WW3?

    Emails, blogs, and forums are going crazy saying this war in Georgia is the start of WW3. I don't like fear mongering. However, I do remember stories of my family about the Great Depression, and WW2. Here is something I found on the Internet. Except for the fact that Georgia is not a member of NATO, this info seems to have the facts straight. But of course, remember that whoever the author is, that it is just an opinion and one viewpoint.

    I believe we are on the verge of the outbreak of World War III. Right
    now.

    If I'm wrong, then so be it. I'll apologize for being overreactive
    later. Too much hangs in the balance if I am right. Treat it as an
    exercise if you like. A practice for when the real thing happens,
    because you can be sure the real thing will happen ... and soon.

    I am uncertain only about the timing, not the outcome. The outcome is worldwide war, of course, and the likely defeat of America.

    There is a convergence of factors just now that, taken together,
    suggest something momentous in the offing.

    1. Huge Naval Armada Steams for Persian Gulf

    The largest US/EU naval armada assembled since the start of Gulf War I
    now is taking up station just outside and inside the Persian Gulf, with
    significant battle groups just coming off an extensive joint military
    exercise timed to end just now. America never will be more ready to
    take on Iran, or so it thinks.

    The US has announced its intention to emplace a naval blockade of
    Iran. That, in itself, is an act of war under international law.
    Never mind that Iran has done nothing to deserve this. Neither Russia
    nor China, strategic trading partners of Iran's will take this lying
    down.

    2. Russia Invades Georgia - Does this stymie Russia for a time?

    Georgia, the ex-Soviet province, now is a member of NATO. We are bound
    to protect NATO members, don't forget. Georgia just attacked its own
    breakaway province of Ossetia, which has aligned itself with Mother
    Russia, despite Ossetia's being guaranteed independence since 1992.
    Russia has responded with a military incursion of its own that can be
    expected to include all of Georgia. Was this orchestrated at this
    strategic time to occupy and distract Russia from an Iranian invasion?

    Russia is a superpower still, make no mistake, capable of fighting on
    several fronts. Russia has stated that an attack on Iran, due to
    Russia's own national interests, will be viewed as an attack on
    Russia. This is not complicated, except in the drug- and
    alcohol-addled mind of George W. Bush.

    3. Just-Completed Israeli War Games Simulated Iran Invasion

    Israel just completed a massive military war game exercise that
    simulated the full-on invasion of Iran. Israel never will be more
    ready to take on Iran.

    4. Us Anti-Iran Rhetoric Just Ratcheted Up Several Notches

    Senator Joe Lieberman, just called for the invasion of Iran, saying that its
    rhetoric constitutes a "war crime." Dick Cheney just amped up his own
    rhetoric and has gone on the circuit, plumping for an invasion of
    Iran. General US anti-Iran rhetoric has gone up significantly in the
    past few weeks and days.

    5. Olympic Games Just Began - Does this stymie China for a time?

    China, the perennial wild card, now is on center stage for the world
    during the coming two weeks' Olympic Games, with its hands tied. No
    matter what goes on elsewhere, China simply cannot afford either to
    move against Taiwan (widely expected during the next military
    over-extension by America) or pop up in defense of any country being
    savaged by the US or its minions.

    Whatever happens in the next two weeks, rest assured that China then
    will have a free hand to do whatever it wants. China depends upon Iran
    for a goodly amount of oil imports. Do the math.

    6. US Stock Market Suddenly Boosted When It Should Have Dropped Precipitously

    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac both just announced multi-billion-dollar
    quarterly losses, along with record losses being reported by most
    corporations. Together with world events and the dollar's weakening,
    the foreclosure crisis, massive bailouts on every front and mounting
    unemployment, the stock market should be crashing. Inexplicably,
    suddenly US stocks are soaring. Go figure.

    Manipulation, of course. More of what they've been doing since 1995,
    designed to delude American investors and the public in general. Move
    along. Nothing is happening here. Yeah, right. Well, plenty is
    happening here and this house of cards quite simply cannot stand much
    longer.

    7. Precious Metals Hammered Unmercifully and Unaccountably

    Oddly enough, though money is being created at a record rate, thereby
    diluting the purchasing power of the existing money supply, the dollar
    suddenly is soaring, having risen from the ashes now to stand tall at
    nearly 76. Just a week or two ago, the dollar was in danger of
    slipping beneath 70. Obviously, the dollar is being artificially
    manipulated by the government, largely at the expense of precious
    metals prices, which have been hammered down at record rates in the
    past few days, the dollar belies its inherent weakness. Again, this
    cannot long endure.

    8. US Economy About to Crash and Burn

    It daily becomes more obvious just how precarious is the American
    economy. The bad news can be papered over with market manipulation
    just so long, then the manipulation actually accelerates the decline.
    We are very near the tipping point, I believe. The catastrophic
    result, Depression II, now is baked into the cake. Nothing can stop
    it. Nothing. Traditionally, war is used to distract a population
    saddled with economic catastrophe, don't forget.

    9. Obama May be About to be Elected

    I think the possibility of Obama being elected has the powers that be
    scared, in that they cannot be certain that he will dance to their
    tune.

    10. Next, look for a US aircraft carrier to be sunk with all hands lost.

    This is the classic ploy, just as in all past wars. Sunk by Israelis, (a la USS Liberty- 'The USS Liberty': America's Most Shameful Secret-
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html and http://www.gtr5.com/ )
    most likely, but blamed on Iran to provide the pretext for a
    coordinated attack. Which is the oldest, most obsolete carrier now on
    station in the Gulf? Like all the obsolete iron left out to dry by
    Roosevelt in Pearl Harbor, America will lose a symbolic asset while the
    key will be the loss of life: about three or four thousand dead
    Americans is the way they think now, in order to get the American
    public on board in full outrage - the full complement of one of our
    carriers today.

    Then - Martial Law and a National Draft

    Expect some incident within America, possibly just as home-grown as was
    9/11, to justify the imposition of martial law. Prepare your children
    for the prospect of a national draft.

    What to Do?

    Get out of the cities. If I were Iran, I would have prepositioned
    nuclear weapons throughout the US at strategic locations, most of which
    coincide with metropolitan areas. Keep in mind that Iranians cannot be expected to roll over and react with nothing but rhetoric.

    Stock up on food and water. Go to your supermarket and stock up on canned and dried foods. Put as much away as your funds and storage space will allow. A year's worth is not out of the question.

    Keep your vehicle gas tanks filled and fill up some spare 5-gallon
    containers with fuel, as well. Have your way out of the city planned
    in advance.

    Though prices have risen dramatically and supplies are much curtailed,
    get the other white metal - lead - well stocked, along with several
    weapons for self defense.

    Get ready for a possible viral pandemic, similar to the 1917 Spanish
    Flu - this means, be prepared to quarantine your family for weeks, if
    not months.

    The dollar is toast.

    How will things go for America? Badly.

    Good luck and God bless us all, every one.
    Well, I don't believe that Georgia is a part of NATO. They are only asking to join and being sponsored by the US.

    Europe: Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran
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    U.S. Aircraft Carriers Head For The Gulf; Kuwait Prepares "Emergency War Plan"


    U.S. Through Georgia Starts War With Russia
    08-08-2008
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    Just a few weeks ago, the U.S. had over 1,000 troops training with the Georgian military and now they are just no longer there? Do they really expect us to believe that the U.S. military no longer has these forces stationed there considering that the Georgians were the ones that started this conflict by entering the disputed territory of South Ossieta? Also, why are there reports of the Israelis in Georgia? The U.S. government has lied time and time again and has been entirely discredited, so why should we believe them now?

    On top of that, is it really a coincidence that this started on August 8th, 2008 considering that the global elite are obsessed with numerology? They like engineering events on particular days. Look at the 9/11 attacks, the 7/7 bombings in London, the 3/11 bombings in Madrid, the 11/22/63 date of the JFK assassination as well as many others. In addition, the Olympics are providing a perfect distraction so this particular operation does not get the scrutiny it deserves.
    War between Russia and Georgia orchestrated from USA By Pravda


    From last month:
    Georgia, US start military exercises despite tensions with Russia


    How did the war start between Georgia and Russia?


    What do you guys think?

    #2
    Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran
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    Thursday, August 7, 2008
    Operation Brimstone ended only one week ago. This was the joint US/UK/French naval war games in the Atlantic Ocean preparing for a naval blockade of Iran and the likely resulting war in the Persian Gulf area. The massive war games included a US Navy supercarrier battle group, an US Navy expeditionary carrier battle group, a Royal Navy carrier battle group, a French nuclear hunter-killer submarine plus a large number of US Navy cruisers, destroyers and frigates playing the "enemy force".

    The lead American ship in these war games, the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN71) and its Carrier Strike Group Two (CCSG-2) are now headed towards Iran along with the USS Ronald Reagon (CVN76) and its Carrier Strike Group Seven (CCSG-7) coming from Japan.

    They are joining two existing USN battle groups in the Gulf area: the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) with its Carrier Strike Group Nine (CCSG-9); and the USS Peleliu (LHA-5) with its expeditionary strike group.

    Likely also under way towards the Persian Gulf is the USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) and its expeditionary strike group, the UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal (R07) carrier battle group, assorted French naval assets including the nuclear hunter-killer submarine Amethyste and French Naval Rafale fighter jets on-board the USS Theodore Roosevelt. These ships took part in the just completed Operation Brimstone.

    The build up of naval forces in the Gulf will be one of the largest multi-national naval armadas since the First and Second Gulf Wars. The intent is to create a US/EU naval blockade (which is an Act of War under international law) around Iran (with supporting air and land elements) to prevent the shipment of benzene and certain other refined oil products headed to Iranian ports. Iran has limited domestic oil refining capacity and imports 40% of its benzene. Cutting off benzene and other key products would cripple the Iranian economy. The neo-cons are counting on such a blockade launching a war with Iran.

    The US Naval forces being assembled include the following:

    Carrier Strike Group Nine
    USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) nuclear powered supercarrier
    with its Carrier Air Wing Two
    Destroyer Squadron Nine:
    USS Mobile Bay (CG53) guided missile cruiser
    USS Russell (DDG59) guided missile destroyer
    USS Momsen (DDG92) guided missile destroyer
    USS Shoup (DDG86) guided missile destroyer
    USS Ford (FFG54) guided missile frigate
    USS Ingraham (FFG61) guided missile frigate
    USS Rodney M. Davis (FFG60) guided missile frigate
    USS Curts (FFG38) guided missile frigate
    Plus one or more nuclear hunter-killer submarines

    Peleliu Expeditionary Strike Group
    USS Peleliu (LHA-5) a Tarawa-class amphibious assault carrier
    USS Pearl Harbor (LSD52) assult ship
    USS Dubuque (LPD8) assult ship/landing dock
    USS Cape St. George (CG71) guided missile cruiser
    USS Halsey (DDG97) guided missile destroyer
    USS Benfold (DDG65) guided missile destroyer

    Carrier Strike Group Two
    USS Theodore Roosevelt (DVN71) nuclear powered supercarrier
    with its Carrier Air Wing Eight
    Destroyer Squadron 22
    USS Monterey (CG61) guided missile cruiser
    USS Mason (DDG87) guided missile destroyer
    USS Nitze (DDG94) guided missile destroyer
    USS Sullivans (DDG68) guided missile destroyer

    USS Springfield (SSN761) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine

    IWO ESG ~ Iwo Jima Expeditionary Strike Group
    USS Iwo Jima (LHD7) amphibious assault carrier
    with its Amphibious Squadron Four
    and with its 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit
    USS San Antonio (LPD17) assault ship
    USS Velia Gulf (CG72) guided missile cruiser
    USS Ramage (DDG61) guided missile destroyer
    USS Carter Hall (LSD50) assault ship
    USS Roosevelt (DDG80) guided missile destroyer

    USS Hartfore (SSN768) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine

    Carrier Strike Group Seven
    USS Ronald Reagan (CVN76) nuclear powered supercarrier
    with its Carrier Air Wing 14
    Destroyer Squadron 7
    USS Chancellorsville (CG62) guided missile cruiser
    USS Howard (DDG83) guided missile destroyer
    USS Gridley (DDG101) guided missile destroyer
    USS Decatur (DDG73) guided missile destroyer
    USS Thach (FFG43) guided missile frigate
    USNS Rainier (T-AOE-7) fast combat support ship

    Also likely to join the battle armada:

    UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal Carrier Strike Group with assorted guided missile destroyers and frigates, nuclear hunter-killer submarines and support ships

    French Navy nuclear powered hunter-killer submarines (likely the Amethyste and perhaps others), plus French Naval Rafale fighter jets operating off of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as the French Carrier Charles de Gaulle is in dry dock, and assorted surface warships

    Various other US Navy warships and submarines and support ships. The following USN ships took part (as the "enemy" forces) in Operation Brimstone and several may join in:

    USS San Jacinto (CG56) guided missile cruiser
    USS Anzio (CG68) guided missile cruiser
    USS Normandy (CG60) guided missile cruiser
    USS Carney (DDG64) guided missile destroyer
    USS Oscar Austin (DDG79) guided missile destroyer
    USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG81) guided missile destroyer
    USS Carr (FFG52) guided missile frigate

    The USS Iwo Jima and USS Peleliu Expeditionary Strike Groups have USMC Harrier jump jets and an assortment of assault and attack helicopters. The Expeditionary Strike Groups have powerful USMC Expeditionary Units with amphibious armor and ground forces trained for operating in shallow waters and in seizures of land assets, such as Qeshm Island (a 50 mile long island off of Bandar Abbas in the Gulf of Hormuz and headquarters of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps).

    The large and very advanced nature of the US Naval warships is not only directed at Iran. There is a great fear that Russia and China may oppose the naval and air/land blockade of Iran. If Russian and perhaps Chinese naval warships escort commercial tankers to Iran in violation of the blockade it could be the most dangerous at-sea confrontation since the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US and allied Navies, by front loading a Naval blockade force with very powerful guided missile warships and strike carriers is attempting to have a force so powerful that Russia and China will not be tempted to mess with. This is a most serious game of military brinkmanship with major nuclear armed powers that have profound objections to the neo-con grand strategy and to western control of all of the Middle East's oil supply.

    The Russian Navy this spring sent a major battle fleet into the Mediterranean headed by the modern aircraft carrier the Admiral Kuznetsov and the flagship of its Black Sea Fleet, the Guided Missile Heavy Cruiser Moskva. This powerful fleet has at least 11 surface ships and unknown numbers of subs and can use the Russian naval facility at Syria's Tartous port for resupply. The Admiral Kuznetsov carries approximately 47 warplanes and 10 helicopters. The warplanes are mostly the powerful Su-33, a naval version (with mid-air refueling capability) of the Su-27 family. While the Su-33 is a very powerful warplane it lacks the power of the stealth USAF F-22. However, the Russians insist that they have developed a plasma based system that allows them to stealth any aircraft and a recent incident where Russian fighters were able to appear unannounced over a US Navy carrier battle group tends to confirm their claims. The Su-33 can be armed with the 3M82 Moskit sea-skimming missile (NATO code name SS-N-22 Sunburn) and the even more powerful P-800 Oniks (also named Yakhonts; NATO code name SS-N-26 Onyx). Both missiles are designed to kill US Navy supercarriers by getting past the cruiser/destroyer screen and the USN point-defense Phalanx system by using high supersonic speeds and violent end maneuvers. Russian subs currently use the underwater rocket VA-111 Shkval (Squall), which is fired from standard 533mm torpedo tubes and reaches a speed of 360kph (230mph) underwater. There is no effective countermeasures to this system and no western counterpart.

    A strategic diversion has been created for Russia. The Republic of Georgia, with US backing, is actively preparing for war on South Ossetia. The South Ossetia capital has been shelled and a large Georgian tank force has been heading towards the border. Russia has stated that it will not sit by and allow the Georgians to attack South Ossetia. The Russians are great chess players and this game may not turn out so well for the neo-cons.

    Kuwait has activated its "Emergency War Plan" as it and other Gulf nations prepare for the likelihood of a major regional war in the Middle East involving weapons of mass destruction.

    The two-ton elephant in the living room of the neo-con strategy is the advanced biowar (ABW) that Iran, and to a lessor extent Syria, has. This places the motherlands of the major neo-con nations (America, France, the United Kingdom), as well as Israel, in grave danger. When the Soviet Union fell the Iranians hired as many out-of-work former Soviet advanced biowar experts as possible. In the last 15 or so years they have helped to develop a truly world class ABW program utilizing recombination DNA genetic engineering technology to create a large number of man made killer viruses. This form of weapon system does not require high tech military delivery systems. The viruses are sub-microscopic and once seeded in a population use the population itself as vectors. Seeding can be done without notice in shopping malls, churches, and other public places. The only real defense to an advanced global strategic biowar attack is to lock down the population as rapidly as possible and let those infected die off.

    Unless the public gets it act together and forces the neo-cons to stop the march to yet another war in the Middle East we are apt to see a truly horrific nightmare unfold in OUR COUNTRIES.
    '2 US aircraft carriers headed for Gulf'

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      #3
      THe war in Georgia is probably a resurge in the Cold War. I never did think it was over.
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        #4
        And this from a blog I found while researching Georgia:

        During the 1950's, French colonialism in Indochina was sliding down a slippery slope. The French had done the Vietnamese a lot of good amongst their colonial oppression, including import of first world merchandise, and turning Vietnam into a major world rubber producer. But the Vietnamese had had enough of them, and formed a coalition, eventually funded from outside by China and Russia, but at first a true movement of the people. Ho Chi Min was a revolutionary who'd been to the united States, and studied here. He wrote seven letters to the US government in the 1940's trying to establish diplomatic ties. After having visited here, admiring our society greatly and reading our Constitution and Declaration of Independence, he couldn't believe the united States ignored his letters, and would not be interested in a free movement of the people to rid itself of a foreign, colonial power! The communists were very open to recognizing the Vietnamese nation as free and independent from the French. Thus, through funding and military support, the Vietnamese movement turned from a revolution similar to ours to a communist takeover, just like in Cuba...

        According to Senator JW Fulbright, who was the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during the 1940's and 50's, "We had testimony that his [Ho Chi Min's] one worry was that it was so insignificant-Vietnam was so far away and insignificant, that we would never bother about it... It's too small to ever attract the attention of the united States. He was sure in his mind that if we ever put our minds to it, and focused upon it, we would be for him. How different history would have been, for us, and for them, if we had felt a common interest in a colonial province like Vietnam seeking its independence from France..."

        And so it goes with countless other seemingly insignificant regions of the world. Few in the US had even heard of Vietnam before 1960, and few have known about Georgia until now. Georgia is one of the Russian provinces which gained its independence from the USSR in the early 1990's, and has been a virtual cesspool of government corruption ever since. But hey, show me one government in the world which is not corrupt! Can't do it...

        People's movements almost inevitably begin with genuine need, but they also almost inevitably end up being co-opted by the powers-that-be with the intention of guiding a supposed revolution in the manner that will best serve their nefarious purposes. Some corruption at high levels is nothing but personal assignation; looting the coffers for personal gain... But other corruption is of an organized breed, yet appears, on the surface, to be exactly the same as the former breed. In the end, this method is aimed toward personal gain also, but the difference is the collusion, with others to attain nefarious goals.

        A thief walks into a store to steal for himself. A banker doesn't need a gun-in fact, he has YOU walking into HIS office of thievery to GIVE him your money!! His power lies in the collusion of bankers to obtain a tyranny over the common people. He uses his power as a banker to further the goals of the bankers in general, thus colluding, and thus involved in a conspiracy...

        The US training of Georgian troops and Georgia's involvement in the Iraq War

        For years the US military has maintained a supposedly neutral presence in Georgia, like it does in about 130 other sovereign nations around the world. But like terrorist "sleeper cells" the contractors and military "advisers" lurk in the government shadows, making "suggestions" with implied threats, or promises of financial and military aid.

        In 2002, the US, under the Georgia Train and Equip Program, started sending aid to Georgia in the form of body armor and surplus fatigues, and weapons (source). Georgia has repaid this debt by sending thousands of Georgian troops to Iraq as part of the supposed "multi-national" coalition led by the US against the Arab people. In fact, now they have the third highest number of troops in Iraq, after the US and Britain... There are 130 military advisers and contractors in Georgia right now, and US diplomats have already made it clear they have no intention of pulling them out any time soon...

        The people of South Ossetia, caught in a giant trap

        On one side you have the Russians, and supposedly the South Ossetians. On the other side you have the Georgian government, the US government, and who else but the Israeli government? The present conflict started when the Soviet Union "fell apart." Ossetia was split into two regions: North Ossetia and South Ossetia. North Ossetia was to be part of Russia; and South Ossetia was to be part of Georgia. Well, the South Ossetians are not too happy about this arrangement, and they've demanded either independence, or unification with North Ossetia, thus making South Ossetia part of Russia.
        The Russians, and especially the North Ossetians, look at the South Ossetians as their fellow countrymen and brothers. And now, since the Georgian government (being freshly funded by the US) has decided to flex their military muscles, the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali is surrounded and besieged by Georgian troops, and those troops are being bombed by the Russians, who may also be bombarding other parts of Georgia. There is armed conflict in the streets of South Ossetia. According to different reports, anywhere from 1200 to 2000 Ossetian civilians have been killed in two days, by Russians and Georgians alike.

        The Justifications

        Georgia has announced several times its intentions to squash unrest in South Ossetia and other provinces with armed might. They claim the Russians are funding the South Ossetian revolutionary groups in order to bring the territory back under Russian, and therefore, Bolshevik control.
        The Russians have a much better and more obvious justification: they are supposed to be protecting their fellow countrymen. How can you argue with that? They must know they are trying to protect themselves from US and Israeli involvement also, no?

        Well here's the scoop, Jack... Both "justifications" are nothing but excuses for exercising lethal force on civilian populations to extol the riches of another defenseless people. Once again, those in power show their inability to include humanity in their business dealings... Georgia is of course rich in oil, and Russia has recently nationalized its oil fields. South Ossetia would be a nice boost to their already booming economy. And to cut off that supply would be a great asset to western oil interests...

        The New World Order strikes again

        The easiest way to understand what is happening right now, with the US on one side, and the Russians on the other, is to look at the New World Order involvement in every conflict which has ever existed between the two nations. During the "cold war," on the US side, you had the media, and the FBI hunting down communists instead of taking down the mafia. In Russia, you had the Bolsheviks slaughtering millions of Russians and blaming it on the US capitalists. And their media propaganda was no more or less invasive than ours...

        During the Vietnam War, you had the Russians supplying the Viet Cong through their surrogates the Chinese Maoists. They were doing this to feed their war machine in the exact same way the war machine in the US was the driving force behind the US being there.

        In Afghanistan, in the late 1970's and early 80's, the Russians invaded to feed their war machine while the US funded and trained the Mujahideen "freedom fighters" to fight them.

        During the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980's, the Russians were funding the Iranians while the US was funding the Iraqis. Are we to understand that this cycle has somehow ended here?

        Why is the US supporting the Georgians in a local conflict? Why is Israel supporting the Georgians in a local conflict? Why does the Russian Premier, Putin, want to bomb South Ossetia to "save" it? What is going on here?

        The spark which starts a firestorm

        The US and Russian people had better take a serious look at this problem.

        Both nations are in possession of horrendously large amounts of nuclear weapons, capable of basically wiping each country off the face of the Earth, not to mention the fallout the rest will experience. Not only that, but each nation has the two strongest military forces in the world. So if it came to war, a conventional contest will likely be a stalemate, thus making nuclear conflict the only way to end the war. And that will not be good for anyone.

        I watched them pull a South Ossetian, Georgian HUMAN child out of the rubble left by a Russian bomb this morning, and if there's one thing I never want to see again, it's that. Something tells me it's inevitable though...

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          #5
          Hey Big John. Thanks for your thoughts. Yes sir, the way that the Cold War supposedly ended was so strange to me.

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            #6
            Oil involved too for Georgia?

            However, more immediately, the conflict has been sparked by the race for control over the pipelines carrying oil and gas out of the Caspian region.

            The Russians may just bear with the pro-US Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili’s ambition to bring his country into NATO. But they draw a heavy line against his plans and those of Western oil companies, including Israeli firms, to route the oil routes from Azerbaijan and the gas lines from Turkmenistan, which transit Georgia, through Turkey instead of hooking them up to Russian pipelines. ... Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel’s oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean.
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              #7
              Scary, 'Pinoy. I am with your first post about collecting that other white metal, lead. Nothing wrong with an AR15 either, then a good 22LR rifle for small game or man if needed. Storable food here in Florida is a natural anyway, but it sure beats savings accounts of green paper when there is no ATM because there is no electricity.
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                #8
                That is a sad situation. Too many innocent and poor have died so quickly. It is more like a nation against itself. It is almost the same idea as China and Tibet. Or say hypothetical, the U.S. going after itself in the state of California.

                All these people keep crying to the U.S. government for help not even realizing the U.S. is no better, is not going to help when there is no big political interest, and would do the same thing to them.

                I tend to view what could happen in China with the Olympics as a bigger problem for getting the nations into war. Something is not sitting right with me about this as I watch the news & it is making a lot of people angry.
                There is so much anger in the world, like a war drum beating louder & louder it is going to escalate into a massive explosion of war.

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                  #9
                  This could be the start of WWIII, I do agree with that.

                  The last two WW started under similar circumstances. A large powerful enemy invading a smaller weaker one. The danger is if everyone sits and does nothing like they did when Hitler invaded Austria.
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                    #10
                    Does anyone else think that the 2 golf wars were nothing more then weapons tests?
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                      #11
                      This has the potential to escalate into a bigger conflict.. For those that thought that Russia has changed its ways- think again. What can the US do? - plead to the UN Security council for sanctions- Russia and China have veto power to squash any action by the UN.. The US is going to realize that our list of allies keeps getting smaller every day...

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                        #12
                        Western Europe gets the majority of it's oil and natural gas from Russia and will NOT intervene in this conflict over fears of Russia cutting off supply..

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by BigJohn View Post
                          THe war in Georgia is probably a resurge in the Cold War. I never did think it was over.
                          I hope we're wrong but I agree!!!
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                            #14
                            I don't know enough about it. I no longer pay attention to the TV news since they always lie.


                            I do not however trust the stupid russians as I never did. Just something about them. I never hated anyone for not agreeing with me. The communists do and that's why I HATE them with a passion!!!

                            Once I research this more I will post an honest opinion.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by BankruptPinoy View Post
                              Emails, blogs, and forums are going crazy saying this war in Georgia is the start of WW3. I don't like fear mongering. However, I do remember stories of my family about the Great Depression, and WW2. Here is something I found on the Internet. Except for the fact that Georgia is not a member of NATO, this info seems to have the facts straight. But of course, remember that whoever the author is, that it is just an opinion and one viewpoint.



                              Well, I don't believe that Georgia is a part of NATO. They are only asking to join and being sponsored by the US.

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                              War between Russia and Georgia orchestrated from USA By Pravda


                              From last month:
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                              How did the war start between Georgia and Russia?


                              What do you guys think?

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