What do you guys think? War in Georgia the start of WW3?

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Georgia: Russian tanks moving deeper into city

CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA ASSOCIATED PRESS

Originally published 03:32 p.m., August 14, 2008, updated 03:32 p.m., August 14, 2008

TBILISI, GEORGIA (AP) - Georgia's prime minister says a convoy of more than 100 Russian tanks and other vehicles are moving from the western city of Zugdidi deeper into Georgia. Lado Gurgenidze says it is unclear where the tanks are going. Speaking to reporters in a teleconference, he called it "a rather large column of Russian armor, over 100 pieces."

He suggested Thursday that the Russian forces "are trying to rattle the civilian population."

Russian and Georgian forces have been fighting since Georgia sought to regain control of a breakaway province last week.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/14/georgia-russian-tanks-moving-deeper-into-city/

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President George W. Bush's pledge to send aid to Georgia means that the U.S. military will take control of the ex-Soviet state's ports and airports, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said on Wednesday.

"You have heard the statement by the U.S. president that the United States is starting a military-humanitarian operation in Georgia," Saakashvili said in a television address.

"It means that Georgian ports and airports will be taken under the control of the U.S. defense ministry in order to conduct humanitarian and other missions. This is a very important statement for easing tension."

U.S. to take control of Georgian ports: Saakashvili

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSLD49893320080813

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David Icke writes,

It’s all smoke a mirrors and while the Georgia attacks on South Ossetia are being seen as a disaster for the Georgian people because of the Russian response, and a disaster for America and its ambitions around the Caspian Sea, there is another way to look at this.

Firstly, it doesn’t matter to the forces that control Brzezinski and Soros if what they do makes the Georgian people suffer. That doesn’t register with them when they are planning their dastardly deeds. It’s simply not a factor that’s ever considered.

And second, if you look beyond ‘America’ to the forces that control America and Russia and China and the European Union and Israel it has all worked out rather well. They have now triggered more hostility, unrest, fear and mistrust in this, to them, crucial part of the world. In short, they have divided and ruled yet again.

They also have American troops in Georgia for ‘humanitarian’ reasons in the wake of the conflict and this is another step towards the Third World War that all this global manoeuvring is eventually leading to – the war to destroy America as a ‘superpower’ and bring in the World government dictatorship.

Brzezinski’s stated plan for Eurasia and the Caspian Sea region is only one level of the game as it relates to the United States. At higher levels, indeed to Brzezinski in private, the United States is nothing more than another pawn to be played off against Russia, China, Iran and whoever else, to install the goal of a world fascist tyranny.

The ultimate force of control and manipulation is not even on this planet or in this reality, so no matter what level the game is played in the ‘physical world’ it is still not the top of the pyramid and thus does not have the full picture.

What we see in this ‘world’ in terms of manipulators and manipulated are only different levels of pawns manipulating other pawns to advance the will of the kings and queens...

The events in Georgia over the last week are a classic of their kind
in that they include all the main elements that I have been
highlighting over the years.

We have the little picture within the big picture; the mainstream
media propaganda machine promoting the official, and blatantly untrue,
version of what happened; and behind the scenes lurk the familiar
names and organisations.

Even the little picture has been grossly misrepresented, never mind
how it plays out from a wider understanding of the game. We have been
led to believe by repetition and manipulation that little Georgia and
its 'rebel province' of South Ossetia was invaded by the big bad
Russian bear and Russia was responsible for all that happened.

Some 2,000 people have been killed and an estimated 60,000 displaced
and it's all Russia's fault, we have been told. I have no brief for
Russia and its de-facto dictator, Vladimir Putin, but there's more to
know here.

In fact, it was the Georgian President, Mikeil Saakashvili, who
ordered a military offensive against South Ossetia, which is
recognised internationally as a province of Georgia, but has sought to
operate autonomously as its own State, much to the fury of the
Georgian authorities in the capital, Tbilisi.

South Ossetia is just across the Caucasus Mountains from North
Ossetia, which remained part of Russia after the break-up of the
former Soviet Union.

Moscow has issued Russian passports to a lot of people of South
Ossetia, which has only been able to function as a self-declared
'independent' State because of Russian support. The passports, and the
fact that most South Ossetians look to Russia, not Georgia, as their
source of support and protection, allowed the Russian Prime Minister,
Vladimir Putin, and his puppet President, Dmitry Medvedev, to say they
had to 'save our people' after Georgia ordered the military attack on
South Ossetia on the night of August 7th, just as the Olympic Games
was starting in Beijing.

Russian forces invaded South Ossetia on August 8th, forcing the
Georgian army to flee, and crossed into undisputed Georgian territory
where they remain at the time of writing. Russian troops also moved
into Abkhazia, which declared independence from Georgia in 1999, but
the Georgian government still claims ownership and authority.

A 'ceasefire agreement' was allegedly brokered by the French
President, Nicolas Sarkozy, who is currently also front man for the
European Union with France occupying the six-monthly revolving
presidency of the superstate. But, to quote a line from a Bonnie Tyler
song, the whole situation is about as peaceful as 'sitting in a powder
keg giving off sparks'.

The Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has now said that Russia will
support South Ossetia and Abkhazia in their efforts to secure
independence from Georgia and that means the Georgian government can
forget any idea of forcing its two rebel provinces back into line.
This provides so much potential for future conflict.

But, of course, this is not about what is right for Georgia or South
Ossetia or Abkhazia, and certainly has nothing to do with the best
interests of the people. It is part of the global chess game. For
Georgia read the United States and Israel; and for South Ossetia and
Abkhazia read Russia, which will now control in all but name these two
'independent' provinces of Georgia.

So what is all this really about?

This is the land mass known as Eurasia which covers 10.6% of the
Earth's surface, comprises 36.2% of its land area and is home to more
than 4.6 billion people or 69% of the human population. Er, it's big.

The United States has been seen as the world's most powerful country,
at least up to now, but it is in Eurasia that the real power lies and
that's where the unspoken war has been going on decade after decade
between the United States, Russia and increasingly China, too.

Oh yes, the countries and regions in conflict, turmoil or dispute may
officially be places like Georgia, Chechnya, Dagestan, Afghanistan,
Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, North Korea and so on. But the forces behind
them, moving the pieces on the chessboard, are the United States, the
United Kingdom, the European Union, Russia and China.

So many of these pawns or targets of the major powers, like Georgia,
Chechnya, Dagestan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Iran have either
been involved in wars, or are being targeted for wars, and they have a
major factor in common - they border the Caspian Sea or they are
crucial to oil and gas pipelines existing or planned from the
land-locked Caspian to the open ocean.

Why? The Caspian region has massive oil and gas reserves and whoever
controls them will have enormous influence, indeed control, with
regard to the wider world.

The Caspian region has become the pig trough of the New World Order
with the power blocs installing the 'leaders' and regimes in their
proxy countries and using them to fight their battles for control of
the oil and gas fields.

The conflicts between Russia and its own rebel region of Chechnya,
which spilled over into the Russian province of Dagestan on the
Caspian Sea coast, were all part of this and both of those regions
border the latest point of conflict, Georgia.

What has happened in Georgia is straight from the blueprint for what
happens everywhere in this chess game played by the United States,
Europe, Russia and China. They either install a regime to take over a
country on their behalf or arm and fund 'rebels' to wage war against
governments they wish to topple - which are themselves controlled by
one of the other competing power blocs.

There is no better example of this than Afghanistan where the United
States armed, funded and trained the so-called 'Mujahideen' fighters
to oppose the occupation of the country by the Soviet Union from 1979
to 1989. The American government and its vassal state of Saudi Arabia
installed a Mujahideen 'leader' called Osama bin Laden to be the
public focus of the 'rebellion'.

The US and British-trained Mujahideen later became the Taliban and
what has been called 'Al-Qaeda', a name that means 'database' because
it was created from the CIA database of names of the Mujahideen
trained to fight the Soviet Union.

The man who instigated all this was Zbigniew Brzezinski, the National
Security Advisor to US President Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981. He
revealed to a French news magazine, Le Nouvel Observateur, ten years
ago that he and US covert operations 'knowingly increased the
probability' that the Soviet Union would invade Afghanistan by
beginning the arming and funding of the Mujahideen before the
invasion.

The idea was entice the Soviets to invade Afghanistan to stop the
covert manipulation of armed opposition to the then Soviet-controlled
Afghan regime in Kabul. The Soviets took the bait and ten years of
slaughter unfolded which cost at least a million Afghan lives.

The world media reported this as the Soviet Union v Afghan rebels, but
in truth it was the Soviet Union v the United States. The Mujahideen
were, in effect, America's frontline troops. The exchange between
Brzezinski and Le Nouvel Observateur captures the mentality of the
crazies behind manipulated conflicts like that in Georgia this week:

Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs
that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in
Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period
you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You
therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid
to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet
army invaded Afghanistan, 24 December 1979. But the reality, secretly
guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3,
1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid
to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day,
I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my
opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But
perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to
provoke it?

Brzezinski: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to
intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that
they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United
States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was
a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea.
It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you
want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the
border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of
giving to the USSR its Vietnam War. Indeed, for almost ten years,
Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a
conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the
break-up of the Soviet empire.

To people like Brzezinski it's all a game, no matter the scale of
slaughter and suffering it causes, and no wonder he produced a book
called The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic
Imperatives (New York: Basic Books, 1997). That is what the world and
human life is to these mentally deranged fanatics - a chess board.

And what was Brzezinski's focus on this 'Grand Chessboard' described
in his book? A vast area of the world called ... Eurasia.

It was what he called 'the chief prize'.

Anyone with a desire to understand the global conspiracy must know the
background to Zbigniew Brzezinski, the Warsaw-born son of a Polish
diplomat, Tadeusz Brzezinski. Father Brzezinski was posted with his
family to Germany from 1931 to 1935 during the rise of the Nazis and
then to the Soviet Union from 1936 to 1938 during Stalin's 'Great
Purge' in which he killed between a million and two million of his own
people.

Tadeusz Brzezinski was eventually posted to Canada and his son began
to make a name for himself in North America after becoming an American
citizen. Zbigniew Brzezinski, the foreign policy 'sage' and
'statesmen', was spawned from the British-based Round Table network
that includes the Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham
House), the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations and the
Trilateral Commission.

By 1973, Brzezinski was so deeply involved with the network that he
co-founded the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller, and when
Jimmy Carter, a self-proclaimed 'eager student' of Brzezinski, became
the first Trilateral Commission President of the United States in the
1976 election, he appointed his foreign policy guru Brzezinski to be
his National Security Advisor.

In the background: Brzezinski, Carter's puppeteer

Brzezinski wrote a book in 1970 called Between Two Ages: America's
Role in the Technetronic Era in which, nearly 40 years ago, he
described the global society that he and his masters were plotting to
impose. He wrote:

'The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more
controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite,
unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert
almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain
up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal
information about the citizen. These files will be subject to
instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.'

He also said in the same book in 1970:

'Today we are again witnessing the emergence of transnational elites
... [Whose] ties cut across national boundaries ... It is likely that
before long the social elites of most of the more advanced countries
will be highly internationalist or globalist in spirit and outlook ...
The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty ... Further
progress will require greater American sacrifices. More intensive
efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be
undertaken, with some consequent risk to the present relatively
favorable American position.'

Both quotes describe where we are now all these decades later because
Brzezinski already knew what the plan was and he has worked ever since
to bring it about.

And so to this week in Georgia, which is located in what Brzezinski
calls the 'Eurasian Balkans', the region around the Caspian Sea with
its fantastic reserves of oil and gas. Brzezinski wrote in his book,
The Grand Chessboard:

'... how America "manages" Eurasia is critical. A power that dominates
Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and
economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also
suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail
Africa's subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania
geopolitically peripheral to the world's central continent. About 75
per cent of the world's people live in Eurasia, and most of the
world's physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and
underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for about three-fourths of the
world's known energy resources.'

Brzezinski said that for the US to retain its power in the Middle and
Near East and the Caspian region they had to stop countries coming
together under central control or agreed alliances that could unite to
drive America out. His strategy to stop this was simple - divide and
rule. Or, in his own words ...:

'... To put it in a terminology that harkens back to the more brutal
age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial
geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence
among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to
keep the barbarians from coming together.'

The control and manipulation of Georgia is part of this strategy and
so you won't be surprised at all to know that the Georgian President,
Mikhail Saakashvili, who ordered the attack on South Ossetia, is a
glove puppet of ... Zbigniew Brzezinski and his Illuminati associates.

And Brzezinski is the power behind ... Barack Obama, the likely next
President of the United States. The moves on the chessboard are now
becoming a blur, so fast are they happening.

Mikhail Saakashvili was brought to power in Georgia by a
CIA-engineered 'Peoples' Revolution', or the 'Revolution of Roses',
brought about by mass public demonstrations against the sitting
President, Eduard Shevardnadze. It came to a head when Shevardnadze
fled the parliament building after demonstrators holding roses,
including Saakashvili, took it over.

The red rose is a major Illuminati symbol and one of their elite
secret societies is called the Order of the Rose.

The Georgian flag, the symbol of the Knights Templar secret society
and also known as the flag of St George, flies over a mass
demonstration that brought Brzezinski's man, Saakashvili, to power.
The sitting president, Eduard Shevardnadze, resigned on Georgia's St
George's Day in 2003.

One of the major funders behind the Rose Revolution was the Jewish
Illuminati financier, George Soros. He has a complex network of
foundations and organisations through which he manipulates countries
across the world in league with the Elite groupings in the United
States and Israel. It was this Soros network, especially his Open
Society Institute, that trained and funded Georgian students in the
art of mass protest and funded the opposition TV station that
mobilized the demonstrations.

George Soros

As Zaza Gachechiladze, editor-in-chief of The Georgian Messenger,
said: 'It's generally accepted public opinion here that Mr. Soros is
the person who planned Shevardnadze's overthrow.'

Soros was also, like Brzezinski, a close 'associate' of Mikhail
Saakashvili, the man they installed as Georgian President, (in the
master-slave definition of 'associate'). Saakashvili is a graduate of
George Washington University in Washington DC and Columbia University
Law School in New York (the university of Brzezinski and Obama). He
was one of a number of American-trained agents controlled by the
Brzezinski-Soros network who were prepared and developed to serve them
in the new Georgian government after the 'Rose Revolution'.

By the way, Brzezinski is Barack Obama's 'Foreign Policy Advisor' (in
truth his mentor and controller) and guess who is one of Obama's major
sources of funding? Yes, George Soros.

So, of course, Obama sang from their song-sheet this week when he
blamed Russia for everything that went on in Georgia and South
Ossetia.

The 'Rose Revolution' was not a revolution by the people at all. The
'people' were played like a violin. It was a coup on Georgia by the
Illuminati networks in America and Israel and it was achieved courtesy
of the Georgian people they now control and manipulate. It has
happened so many times in so many countries.

Mikeil Saakashvili

Saakashvili sent Georgian troops to Iraq to support the American and
British occupation (the Americans flew them back after Russia invaded)
and he has pressed for membership of NATO. Whether this fool tool of
Washington and Tel Aviv fully knows or not, he is simply being used in
a much bigger game called 'bait the Russians'.

When Saakashvili's military attack on South Ossetia backfired (at
least from the Georgian peoples' point of view) as the Russians
retaliated, it was America who led the protests on Georgia's behalf
and sold the lie about Russia being 100% to blame for what has
happened. Brzezinski was out of the traps immediately as he compared
Putin to Hitler and Stalin.

And it was America's associates, Israel, who trained Georgian forces
that carried out the attack in South Ossetia. The Georgian Minister,
Temur Yakobashvili, who is Jewish, praised Israel for its role in
training Georgian troops. Speaking in Hebrew, he told Israel Army
Radio.: 'Israel should be proud of its military, which trained
Georgian soldiers'.

One report claims that some 1,500 'advisors' from Blackwater, the
infamous US 'private military/security' operation, have been on the
ground in Georgia and massive shipments of arms and ammunition have
been supplied by the United States in the last 18 months.

There is no way that Saakashvili ordered his troops to attack South
Ossetia to spark this crisis without getting support and approval,
maybe even direct instruction, from the United States and Israel. He
is their man and he does what they say.

The US-Israel cabal is doing the same throughout the world to achieve
its end of global domination for the Illuminati agenda and wars galore
would not have happened without them and their controllers, the
Rothschild dynasty.

You'll hear people like Brzezinski criticise Israel to publicly
distance himself from his Israel connection, but the Rothschilds
control Israel as they control the Round Table organisations like the
Trilateral Commission that Brzezinski founded on their behalf.

All pawns together.

It's all smoke and mirrors and while the Georgia attacks on South
Ossetia are being seen as a disaster for the Georgian people because
of the Russian response, and a disaster for America and its ambitions
around the Caspian Sea, there is another way to look at this.

Firstly, it doesn't matter to the forces that control Brzezinski and
Soros if what they do makes the Georgian people suffer. That doesn't
register with them when they are planning their dastardly deeds. It's
simply not a factor that's ever considered.

And second, if you look beyond 'America' to the forces that control
America and Russia and China and the European Union and Israel it has
all worked out rather well. They have now triggered more hostility,
unrest, fear and mistrust in this, to them, crucial part of the world.
In short, they have divided and ruled yet again.

They also have American troops and ships arriving in Georgia for
'humanitarian' reasons in the wake of the conflict and this is another
step towards the Third World War that all this global manoeuvring is
eventually leading to - the war to destroy America as a 'superpower'
and bring in the world government dictatorship.

The agreement announced amid the Georgian conflict on Thursday that
the United States is to locate a missile 'defence shield' in Poland
was designed to increase tension and hostility with Russia. It's
called a 'defence shield', but the Russians know it will be able to
fire missiles at them, just as they know that the United States and
Israel were behind the actions of Georgia.

Brzezinski's stated plan for Eurasia is only one level of the game as
it relates to the United States. At higher levels, indeed to
Brzezinski in private, the United States is nothing more than another
pawn to be played off against Russia, China, Iran and whoever else, to
install the goal of a world fascist tyranny.

As Manly P. Hall, the 33rd Degree Freemason and 'Masonry's Greatest
Philosopher', said:

'... it is so difficult to determine the position of the ancient
initiates ... They are the invisible powers behind the thrones of
earth, and men are but marionettes, dancing while the invisible ones
pull the strings. We see the dancer, but the master mind that does the
work remains concealed by the cloak of silence.'

Nothing is what it seems and that is certainly the case with what has
happened in Georgia. It needs to be seen on so many levels, including
where Georgia is located in historical terms. The Illuminati families
are obsessed with their genetics, their symbolism and with the lands
important to their history and so the game plays out on those levels,
also.

Many of the major Illuminati bloodlines, the ones behind the
occupation of Iraq, came out of ancient Sumer and Babylon - the land
we now call Iraq.

Sumerians settled in the Caucasus Mountains region and became known as
the Khazars before moving northwards through the centuries to become
the East and West European Ashkenazi Jews, including the Rothschilds.
Their land of ancient Khazaria is in part now called ... Georgia.

Those Khazars went on to people and control another land closely
connected to what happened in Georgia this week ... Israel.

And the elite of the former Khazars have massive influence in the
government of ... the United States.

There are so many aspects to this, but the most important is the plan
for another world war and in that context the 'Brzezinski doctrine'
for Eurasia and the region around the Caspian Sea can be seen in
another light. He says in The Grand Chessboard:

'Potentially, the most dangerous scenario would be a grand coalition
of China, Russia, and perhaps Iran, an `anti-hegemonic' coalition
united not by ideology but by complementary grievances. It would be
reminiscent in scale and scope of the challenge posed by the
Sino-Soviet bloc, though this time China would likely be the leader
and Russia the follower. Averting this contingency, however remote it
may be, will require a display of U.S. geostrategic skill on the
western, eastern, and southern perimeters of Eurasia simultaneously.'

Brzezinski appears to be describing the possibilities here with regard
to America's best interests, but if you look behind the appearance of
him being an 'American' (he's not, he's from Poland) and understand
that he represents a force that spans national borders and has no
allegiance to America, what he is describing is the perfect trigger
for the Third World War that is designed to destroy America as we know
it.

This week's events in Georgia have taken that outcome another major
step closer and when you appreciate that if 'Obama' is elected in
November then America is actually putting Brzezinski and Soros in the
White House, you can see the potential for global mayhem.

The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy And Its Geostrategic Imperatives by Zbigniew Brzezinski

http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Chessboard-American-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218988051&sr=8-2

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Interesting take on the War in Georgia

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/aug2008/bush-a14.shtml

excerpt

It is inconceivable that Washington was not intimately involved in the preparations for Georgia’s attack on South Ossetia. US military advisers virtually run the military of what Washington considers its key ally in the Cacausus, a strategically critical bridgehead between the oil-rich Caspian Basin and Western Europe....There is also a domestic component to the US escalation of tensions with Russia. The Bush administration is consciously seeking to create an atmosphere of international crisis in the run-up to the November presidential election. It calculates that an election held in an environment of fear and insecurity will boost the electoral chances of the Republican candidate John McCain...There are, in fact, only relatively minor tactical differences between McCain and Democratic candidate Barack Obama on US policy toward Russia. Both continue to demand the admission of Georgia and Ukraine into NATO, which would put the US-led military alliance on the very doorstep of Russia. Had Georgia already been a member of NATO, the alliance would have been legally bound to intervene militarily in its defense following Russia’s incursion into South Ossetia.

[BankruptPinoy]

This links below are from an interview in 2002, like the BBC article from 2004 that I previously posted, and I feel that the information is indeed relevant to today, 2008 and the Georgia conflict.

Ron Paul speaks with Bill Moyers back in 2002 on the issue of the Bush Adminstration's 'pre-emptive strike' policy:

US Politician predicted Georgia Conflict Back in 2002

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e8_1218807541

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya6JfFK_lYQ

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXTvjGRbu9w

Russia signs up to Georgia truce
Saturday, 16 August 2008

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7564776.stm

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has signed a ceasefire agreement with Georgia after receiving it in Moscow...

[finvik]

some wonderful facts given. but i think its too early to say that this attack on Georgia will result in WWIII. this is true that Georgia is a member of NATO, that does complicate things a little bit. but in my opinion US still knows what russia is capable off.
Vik