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    U.S. Debt Tops $15 Trillion Mark Today

    Nov 16, 2011


    Don’t look now, members of the “supercommittee” battling the national debt, but the amount the U.S. owes topped the $15 trillion mark Wednesday afternoon.

    That’s a lot of George Washingtons, as you can see here live at http://www.USdebtclock.org

    With a week until the committee’s deadline to reach agreement on cutting $1.2 trillion to $1.5 trillion from the federal deficit over the next 10 years, the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction still has no agreement to stem automatic cuts to the budget.

    A Democrat on a special deficit-cutting supercommittee Wednesday questioned whether Republicans are still interested in negotiating after the panel’s top GOP member said Republicans have “gone as far as we feel we can go” on tax hikes, the Associated Press reported.

    A sense of deep pessimism has gripped the supercommittee, and judging from the limited public statement by panel members, a debt bargain could be out of reach.

    “We need to find out whether our Republican colleagues want to continue to negotiate or whether they’ve drawn a hard line in the sand,” said supercommittee member Chris Van Hollen, a Democrat from Maryland. “The question is whether they’ve kind of said ‘take it or leave it.’ ”

    The deficit has ballooned to nearly $48,000 for every man, woman and child in the U.S. This year alone, the U.S. will spend $1.3 trillion more than it takes in.

    The debt has expanded at an alarming pace, from $7.5 trillion in 2004 and $5.6 trillion in 2000. At the current rate, Debtclock.org reckons that the debt will top $23 trillion in 2015, though the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office puts the estimate at $17.6 trillion.

    Back in August after a protracted fight, Congress voted to raised the national-debt ceiling by $2.7 trillion to $17 trillion, while requiring $2.7 trillion in deficit reduction by 2021.

    Compared with other developed nations, the U.S. has a debt to GDP ratio of 85 percent, compared with Germany at 74 percent and Japan at a whopping 194 percent.


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    The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of Government

    #2
    Solution - let Bush tax cuts for the super-rich expire...

    Heck, undo the Reagan tax-cuts for the wealthy- those worked out really well for the rest of us!

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      #3
      I say let all of the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone. The middle class may have to pay a little more in taxes but then they will not have to get all of the services cut or pay for a lot of other stuff in the many hidden ways.

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        #4
        Too little too late for these suggestions. They won't be enough to pay this disaster off.

        Rumor has it the phony baloney "super committee" won't agree on a solution to this by the 23rd.

        I sure hope none of you are surprised by this I know I'm not. Notice how they made the deadline around Thanks Giving weekend.

        So many will have football, turkey with cranberry sauce (yum) and black Friday on their minds while Congress drives a big stake up our @*&$%!
        The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of Government

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          #5
          At 15 Trillion, it seems unlikely we will be able to pay it off.

          So, what would happen if we simply stopped paying any of it-- interest and principal?
          The world's simplest C & D Letter:
          "I demand that you cease and desist from any communication with me."
          Notice that I never actually mention or acknowledge the debt in my letter.

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            #6
            Originally posted by GoingDown View Post
            At 15 Trillion, it seems unlikely we will be able to pay it off.

            So, what would happen if we simply stopped paying any of it-- interest and principal?
            The world economy would collapse - or at least this construction of it...ultimately EUR would be fine (UK not so sure), Japan, Asia even Latin Am would ultimately be fine...US...possibly too...

            Maybe we need to restart...have no one owe anything to anyone.

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              #7
              Originally posted by IamOld View Post
              The world economy would collapse - or at least this construction of it...ultimately EUR would be fine (UK not so sure), Japan, Asia even Latin Am would ultimately be fine...US...possibly too...

              Maybe we need to restart...have no one owe anything to anyone.
              As nice as that probably would be, the main problem, when you read that a bank as 2.2 trillion in assets (e.g. Citibank), those "assets" are the notes for all those debts. Basically, if everyone stopped paying, there would be no money, banks could not honor withdrawals (the fed would need to print more and more money) and hyperinflation would ensue, but in principal, it is not a bad idea.

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                #8
                HHM< you are of course right...the thing is we are not a society that would pull together and come through relatively unscathed as would say most of Europe, Japan, etc.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by HHM View Post
                  As nice as that probably would be, the main problem, when you read that a bank as 2.2 trillion in assets (e.g. Citibank), those "assets" are the notes for all those debts. Basically, if everyone stopped paying, there would be no money, banks could not honor withdrawals (the fed would need to print more and more money) and hyperinflation would ensue, but in principal, it is not a bad idea.
                  Presently I see hyperinflation as the only way out of this debt. We are soon going to reach critical mass where all of our revenues are spent on entitlements, defense and interest.

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                    #10
                    msm, I think we need to stop calling it "entitlements" - except that I think WE are entitled to it as taxpayers, and frankly as human beings in a supposedly civilized society.

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                      #11
                      I agree with you in the sense that too many give the word "entitlements" a negative connotation -- I don't believe it should be a "negative" word. But then I also don't think socialism is a bad word or European....... fill in the blank. How about government "obligations"

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                        #12
                        msm - well said - obligations by we the people to ourselves.

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                          #13
                          National Deb $15 Trillion
                          US mortgage debt, $13.7 Trillion
                          Credit/Revolving Debt $800 billion.
                          Student Loans $1 Trillion
                          (not to mention all the various business debt not even included in this).

                          US GPD, $14.5 Trillion

                          Now, look at it this way
                          Mortgage Debt: $300,000
                          Credit card Debt: $65,000
                          Car Loans: $25,000

                          Annual Income: $95,000

                          In both instances, the person is bankruptcy

                          I am not one for economic apocalypse theories and what not, I don't think it will come to that; (food hoarding, and communities banding together in mad max like compounds for protection), but there must be a tipping point, or an event, that will cause a substantial change, and what the world will look like then is anyone's guess.

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                            #14
                            The number is so numbing...15 trillion?!

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                              #15
                              All I can say is stock up on things you will be needing, as much as possible now, in case inflation goes through the roof. Whenever I see things that I know I will be needing in the future on sale or at a reasonable price, I get a few extras and put them away for later. Not just food items, but also things like clothing, anything you use on a daily basis.
                              The world's simplest C & D Letter:
                              "I demand that you cease and desist from any communication with me."
                              Notice that I never actually mention or acknowledge the debt in my letter.

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