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    Cash to mortgages or wish list?

    My dad's dementia, which is the root cause of my parents' bankruptcy, has resulted in a pretty hectic winter for us -- police calls, emergency room visits, and some stressful confrontations. He continues to believe that he should be running affairs and yet spends hours sorting scrap paper by color and size.

    Anyway, he also gets the mail and divides it up in strange ways or hides it or loses it, and he gets the urge to reorganize "his" files, so it's a constant struggle. We're only now nearing having our records in shape for our second attorney consultation, about eight weeks after I had imagined we would.

    My mother has now amassed a fair amount of cash in the new bank account she got in her name only so he couldn't have access (he went down to the bank and tried anyway). At one point I thought we needed to make sure we would have that first trustee payment and first 30 days mortgage payments on hand but now I guess I understand that has to come from post-filing income (sorta makes sense), and having cash is just asking for it to be seized by the trustee.

    There's another problem, which is that there are four years of taxes to file. Three are refunds totaling max $20K, the last one is going to be a hit of unknown size because my dad was emptying an IRA of $30K to pay credit card debt without telling us (if only we'd known how sick he was, before that), and a messy second lien issue.

    Without addressing exemptions and such, we're starting to wonder what our strategy should be. We have rental property we're keeping (I say we, but I'm only in the household, not on the BK), and it needs some significant repairs if we're to keep them occupied and generating income for the BK. I understand that household repairs and appliance upgrades are often recommended and that is certainly one thing we can do. (My mom has suffered with no dishwasher and a 1960s washer/dryer for the longest time. Dad was paying $20K a year to credit cards, that's why!) A pickup for the rental property business would be helpful to me. The property quite justifiably needs everything from carpets to gutters to basement dehumidifiers. Oh, and because of Dad's mortality -- a fair chance he'll die inside of 5 years -- I want to pay back his life insurance policy loan(s).

    We still have so much to do including property appraisals and the potential of seeking loan mods. It's just possible (within a few thou) that my parents' homestead would qualify if the new cramdown law passes, but it's borderline, and it's not really a motivation for waiting, I don't think. And none of the rental mortgages are small enough to be crammed down and paid off in the plan. Nevertheless I would like to seek loan mods and sort out a complicated 2nd lien issue (probably for a separate post by itself, that one).

    Should we push into BK as quickly as we can at this point? We haven't paid any of the rental mortgages since December and one of them has hit us with a "consideration of default" letter. Well, we thought we'd have filed by now. This would mean using that cash for some of the stuff listed above.

    On the other hand, if we wait, we can get the 3 years' tax refunds and use that for the wish list. But we would need to be paying the mortgages again (if they let us at this point), to stretch out our filing date until orderly. Another reason to wait is that I still haven't completely untangled his credit cards and automatic payments, so there are some 90-day rule considerations. (Personally, my POV is that it's due to his dementia and they shouldn't treat it as intentional, but I have no idea if that would fly in court.) I can happily stumble along if this would work. It would give us time to get tenants, too.

    I guess I'm mainly worried that if we file first we won't get to keep enough of the tax refunds. Or is it possible to keep them if we have a good reason (e.g. "new fire panel for multifamily dwelling") for every dollar we intend to keep?

    On the other hand the sooner we can file the sooner we can get the money, mail, etc. away from my dad's fingers. Legally, we have POA, of course, but not a guardianship yet and he's just always full of schemes (the four hours of the day that he's awake, that is). I wish we could stick to strictly deciding by the numbers but this is a key factor.

    So, the options:
    1. File quickly, use cash for wish list, beg to be allowed use of refunds, hope for loan mods in BK
    2. Restart mortgage payments w/ cash on hand, file for tax refunds, use them for wish list, seek loan mods and then file BK in orderly fashion.

    Thoughts? How much cash or emergency funds would a rental business normally be allowed to hold? What am I not thinking of here? What would you do?
    Last edited by blindsided; 03-10-2009, 03:48 AM.
    Filing for parents: Dad w/ dementia, mother working at 71, 3 special needs g'kids
    Rental property equity: $100,000, Consumer debt: $120,000
    First meeting with attorney 12/16/08
    Upshot: 60 mo plan, ~80% payback, rentals to trust & mom retires!

    #2
    First, does your mother and/or you have Power of Attorney to act on your dad's behalf as to all the paperwork and other issues you mention in your posting? Since your dad is suffering from dementia and it appears the house and accounts are also in his name, you may need to look into what needs to be done on that end of the boat before filing. Been though all this with an aged mother suffering from long-term dementia. You don't mention your dad's age but it might serve you the best (and your mother) to get a consultation with an elder care lawyer who can guide you on all this so you know what to do as to finances and also your dad's proper care as the dementia progresses. that issue there could come into play as to their filing Chapter 13 due to what could be involved with his care now and during the Plan years.
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    Filed 5 Year Chapter 13: April 2002
    Early Buy-Out: April 2006
    Discharge: August 2006

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      #3
      Well, we're pretty much in one-thing-at-a-time mode. My Mom and I are POA.

      We'll need to consult with an elder law specialist because our plan is to move the rental property into a special needs trust in order to provide for three developmentally disabled young adults. (This is something my father resisted for a long time, and now it's almost too late.) How to craft that within a BK is going to be an art form, I know. But it's not clear that his dementia by itself poses an obstacle to confirmation, so we thought we should get into BK sooner rather than later. He could live 2 years, he could live 10.
      Filing for parents: Dad w/ dementia, mother working at 71, 3 special needs g'kids
      Rental property equity: $100,000, Consumer debt: $120,000
      First meeting with attorney 12/16/08
      Upshot: 60 mo plan, ~80% payback, rentals to trust & mom retires!

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        #4
        One of the things about BK is that the taxes must be filed prior to filing BK. So, it is in your best interest to file them asap.

        If you are getting a refund, then the time to get it and spend it is before you file. I am assuming you have already checked all of your exemptions so you know the max amount of cash you can safely have in your account as of the date of filing.

        It would seem prudent to have spent the funds on your attorney and all the fix up needed prior to filing that will be difficult to do in a 13.

        Are you planning to keep the rentals? If so, then you may want to catch up on your payments while you can. That window closes quickly. If you are not planning to keep the rentals, then don't pay the mortgages.

        If you are going to do the loan mods, you need to have them completed prior to filing.
        Filed CH 7 9/30/2008
        Discharged Jan 5, 2009! Closed Jan 18, 2009

        I am not an attorney. None of my advice is legal advice in any way..

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          #5
          Yeah, the taxes need to be filed, but I'd rather have the time to do them right, given the state of his records (once pristine, but it got to the point where he had three banker's boxes labeled URGENT). I can whip through them (it's what I was supposed to be doing until we realized that BK was necessary) but the goal of wringing every last deduction is less important on the scale of the BK than it would have been.

          I'm worried, though, that if we can't file those three refund years and get the money BEFORE we file for 2008, which will have a substantial liability (which we would put into the BK naturally) we're going to have trouble making all the necessary repairs/upgrades to the rentals. There's a couple of code situations going on.

          It's coming at us from all sides.

          I'm not sure what you mean by "the window closes quickly" -- are you referring to the speed of foreclosure for investment property? I'm not intending to live dangerously, but if I need time to pull things together it looks like I have some (four months or so). I know ideally we would file the stay the day we get the notice, but we just aren't ready yet.

          We are planning to keep the rentals so they can form the basis for a special needs trust for my parents' three DD grandchildren. Otherwise we'd be happy to liquidate and get my Mom into a nice little granny condo. More to the point the rental income will cover the plan. In fact I suspect with a good budget my Mom might be able to live a little nicer than she has under my Dad's mismanagement (she's all too familiar with Goodwill -- and they own half a million in property!).
          Filing for parents: Dad w/ dementia, mother working at 71, 3 special needs g'kids
          Rental property equity: $100,000, Consumer debt: $120,000
          First meeting with attorney 12/16/08
          Upshot: 60 mo plan, ~80% payback, rentals to trust & mom retires!

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