ok, moving onto to the next page... Schedule J--- 2 questions & critique

[tobee43]

Look at your eye care /vision expenses. When my lawyer looked at my receipts for this year. (3 people wearing glasses) it came out to $71.00 a month in JUST the Vision category and we have the receipts to back it up.

good one!!! i know mine are like $400 alone...and i'm so bad with them i have to replace them usually every 6 months...i didn't even use them and should have!

[Fallonedward]

Look at your eye care /vision expenses. When my lawyer looked at my receipts for this year. (3 people wearing glasses) it came out to $71.00 a month in JUST the Vision category and we have the receipts to back it up.

[tobee43]

You are allowed, per IRS standards $1633/mo for clothing/food/personal care expenses/household expenses/misc for a household of 5. Your attorney should be allowing your expenses as long as they are below that threshold. If he says no, find another attorney. You need one who will fight for you.

And, medical is $300/mo for a family of 5. Glasses, p/t, and counseling (as well as dental and general medical) would all go into this category. If you can document higher actual expenses, you can put the higher amount. Again, you need an attorney who put together a realistic budget and fight for you.

exactly, however, i do want to mention that your trustee is mindful of where in the country you live...i.e. our food cost doubled where we moved....to my shock..but not to the trustee's shock.

i do believe the trustee's realize if you are a family of 2 and put down $1000 for food cost something is terribly wrong...however, if the irs only says you are allowed $300 for an example and your area of the country is $500...you'll be fine.

[tobee43]

Is there really any other detergent? I stocked up a few months ago when it was on sale - thought because my one grocery store had the "Apple Mango Tango" listed as "close out" that Gain was going to stop making it *GASP - the HORROR!* Hubby laughed when I came home with like 8 fabric softeners and 4 of the HUGE laundry detergents! LOL I think I'm down to like 4 bottles of softener and 2 detergents now.

Turns out - the store was just removing it from their stock items - thank God!

going thru...gain withdrawal....this is really TOO funny for this forum....i will send you some if i have too!!

[tobee43]

Regarding repairs, we have a central air/heat unit that I do have a receipt from where a guy put a part into it about 2 years and he said it would only hold us off until we have to buy a new unit. Also, some of the duct vent under our home, a park model, might have holes in it too causing the unit to not cool as it should. And, we need to have this home re-leveled again too. Should I call a service person out to give me some quotes so that I have proof? We have a manager here that has recently been hired to come in and re-do some units and the beautification of the community (park) as well. He said he can give me a good deal on this since this is what he does for a living and it's a good deal too but I can't afford it right now. (He can even get me a good deal on new skirting.)

As for the manager here, I can, but really don't need to ask him specifically for a written quote but it would be nice to have for this BK process, I guess. Then again, I don't want another service coming in and estimating and then he sees them here and wonders why I'd have them here when he's given me such a good quote since he works here and I live here. Point is, I really don't want to tell him I'm filing BK and that's why I need the quote. (I could tell him, he's a professional, private person and wouldn't look askanse at me for revealing the info...and I've heard he's in the middle of a divorce himself so I know that 'we all' have private issues going on...but geez, I hate to have to bring this up. What other reason could I give him for asking for a quote? Heck, after a week or so more, maybe I will ask him. Hmmm, maybe I can get a service to come out on a Saturday afternoon when I know he's left for the weekend and he wouldn't see? I know, I might get someone to come and and ask them to come in a plain vehicle without company logo because I don't want my neighbors to know my business. That might work and then I'd get a 'higher' quote from them.

So, a quote on an air unit and leveling/re-skirting. What about a quote on any dental work I might need? I'd just have to pay for an exam to get that. But where do you put all these expense quotes on a Chapter 7 form? (Just keep the quotes on hand?)

maintenance....is where i put them.

[momofthree]

Schedule J is confusing, where do the things like dog expenses and hair cuts and books/papers/educational supplies go? The lawyer I sat down with gave us $1000 for food/cleaning/haircuts/misc for a family of 5. We've put off getting p/t because it's $25 every session and also put off counseling for adhd issues because of the copay. I was a little miffed when he put down $75 for clothing, one of kids needs shoes now and new glasses, and they all need new winter coats. My husband has a heart issue so life insurance is really expensive, we kept his former military life insurance, small and cheap. I quit smoking and was waiting for a year to pass so my premiums wouldn't be so high, but now we can't afford any. We rent as well, but we have to maintain the yard/pest control, indoors, like carpet cleaning and painting interior, our personal appliances, plumbing issues, filters. Pandora, my stock up item is Downy in the red bottle, I liken it to Jo Malones pomegranate noir. Delicious.

You are allowed, per IRS standards $1633/mo for clothing/food/personal care expenses/household expenses/misc for a household of 5. Your attorney should be allowing your expenses as long as they are below that threshold. If he says no, find another attorney. You need one who will fight for you.

And, medical is $300/mo for a family of 5. Glasses, p/t, and counseling (as well as dental and general medical) would all go into this category. If you can document higher actual expenses, you can put the higher amount. Again, you need an attorney who put together a realistic budget and fight for you.

[Okieblue]

Schedule J is confusing, where do the things like dog expenses and hair cuts and books/papers/educational supplies go? The lawyer I sat down with gave us $1000 for food/cleaning/haircuts/misc for a family of 5. We've put off getting p/t because it's $25 every session and also put off counseling for adhd issues because of the copay. I was a little miffed when he put down $75 for clothing, one of kids needs shoes now and new glasses, and they all need new winter coats. My husband has a heart issue so life insurance is really expensive, we kept his former military life insurance, small and cheap. I quit smoking and was waiting for a year to pass so my premiums wouldn't be so high, but now we can't afford any. We rent as well, but we have to maintain the yard/pest control, indoors, like carpet cleaning and painting interior, our personal appliances, plumbing issues, filters. Pandora, my stock up item is Downy in the red bottle, I liken it to Jo Malones pomegranate noir. Delicious.

[Pandora]

OF::::::::ok...pandora...and this does certain NOT help the op...ROFL...i only use GAIN...LOL!!!! so i guess our clothes smell the same!! TOO MUCH!!!! it's nice to smell good enough to eat....???

Is there really any other detergent? I stocked up a few months ago when it was on sale - thought because my one grocery store had the "Apple Mango Tango" listed as "close out" that Gain was going to stop making it *GASP - the HORROR!* Hubby laughed when I came home with like 8 fabric softeners and 4 of the HUGE laundry detergents! LOL I think I'm down to like 4 bottles of softener and 2 detergents now.

Turns out - the store was just removing it from their stock items - thank God!

[tcreegan]

Hi platter,

So, a quote on an air unit and leveling/re-skirting. What about a quote on any dental work I might need? I'd just have to pay for an exam to get that. But where do you put all these expense quotes on a Chapter 7 form? (Just keep the quotes on hand?)

They go on Sched J, lines for home maintenance and medical

I think you are over-thinking the repair estimate. Tell the guy you want an estimate b/c you need to plan ahead for the expense.

Hang in there, you will be OK....

Tom in Colo

[platter]

i just recalled a few posts were you warned people of possible upcoming house repairs etc. and most people do not think forward, which is sooooo very important.

Regarding repairs, we have a central air/heat unit that I do have a receipt from where a guy put a part into it about 2 years and he said it would only hold us off until we have to buy a new unit. Also, some of the duct vent under our home, a park model, might have holes in it too causing the unit to not cool as it should. And, we need to have this home re-leveled again too. Should I call a service person out to give me some quotes so that I have proof? We have a manager here that has recently been hired to come in and re-do some units and the beautification of the community (park) as well. He said he can give me a good deal on this since this is what he does for a living and it's a good deal too but I can't afford it right now. (He can even get me a good deal on new skirting.)

As for the manager here, I can, but really don't need to ask him specifically for a written quote but it would be nice to have for this BK process, I guess. Then again, I don't want another service coming in and estimating and then he sees them here and wonders why I'd have them here when he's given me such a good quote since he works here and I live here. Point is, I really don't want to tell him I'm filing BK and that's why I need the quote. (I could tell him, he's a professional, private person and wouldn't look askanse at me for revealing the info...and I've heard he's in the middle of a divorce himself so I know that 'we all' have private issues going on...but geez, I hate to have to bring this up. What other reason could I give him for asking for a quote? Heck, after a week or so more, maybe I will ask him. Hmmm, maybe I can get a service to come out on a Saturday afternoon when I know he's left for the weekend and he wouldn't see? I know, I might get someone to come and and ask them to come in a plain vehicle without company logo because I don't want my neighbors to know my business. That might work and then I'd get a 'higher' quote from them.

So, a quote on an air unit and leveling/re-skirting. What about a quote on any dental work I might need? I'd just have to pay for an exam to get that. But where do you put all these expense quotes on a Chapter 7 form? (Just keep the quotes on hand?)

[backtoschool]

Ok, so im filling out J and am stuck on a few things.
family of 6, only one person works

does this look right???.... and a few questions in here:

rent 1,000
gas/electric 243(budget plan)
water 60
telephone 30
cable 55
cellular 140 (3 phones)
internet 30
trash 16
home maint 50 (we rent)
food 700 (i coupon shop)
clothing 150 (3 teens and a 5 year old, all still growing)
laundry 20
medical/dental 181 ( I have rheumatoid arthritis, included BC for me and my college daughter, 4 is enough and i am way too young to be a grama. this could be higher as hubby needs major major dental work next year and i have a kid who needs braces)
transportation 334 (gas and 2 vehicle registrations)
entertainment 75
auto ins 104
auto 502
haircuts 40
pet care 40 ( st bernard and yorkie)

I am at -57.00 for monthly net

ok, so we own 2 cars, one we own outright and the other (The $502 payment above) we plan on returning and trying to get a loan on a cheaper car sometime soon, which i will probably get for like 300 or so.

so do i list the 502 car payment i have now but WONT have when this is done, or do i list the $300 i am budgeting for another car???? or nothing under auto?

and anything else look funny?

YOU GUYS ARE MY MOST FAVORITE PEOPLE ON THE WHOLE PLANET RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!

I think your schedule looks fine. You will not have any issues.

[tobee43]

I will say this, i sat through 25 cases the other day waiting for mine to be called, never heard one word about really high deductions....I was kicking myself in the ass since my plan didn't get confirmed because of car payment, should of left it out and raised everything else....If I knew now what i didn't know then i would of went to the court house i was to appear at, looked for a kick ass lawyer couple there stood out, as many have there head in there asses and have no clue. Real wake up call watching it in person versus say so on the internet.

jm...your so correct. actually...had there been any question your atty should have advised you...just as this board ...up this lower that...etc.

funny thing is....WE were IN FACT questioned by the trustee in reference to FOOD cost......she thought they were TOO LOW and remarked about she's was glad her husband didn't see my food budget!! the funnier part was at first she thought it was our clothing expenses.....and i said OH NO!!!! ...that food!!!...she laughed and said really??? that's when i said, i think she may be looking at the wrong line??? and she was...TRUE story!!!

so it does happy at the 341...it broke the ice in our situation...well that and our atty showing up with zipper completely down and wrinkled up suit. but didn't matter he did his job just fine....

[tobee43]

Oh God no! Absolutely am not saying that at all. I'm a fly by the legal type of gal

$9 for laundry detergent? Lucky! I pay almost $16 for mine - have to have my Gain Apple Mango Tango! LOL

i just recalled a few posts were you warned people of possible upcoming house repairs etc. and most people do not think forward, which is sooooo very important.

OF::::::::ok...pandora...and this does certain NOT help the op...ROFL...i only use GAIN...LOL!!!! so i guess our clothes smell the same!! TOO MUCH!!!! it's nice to smell good enough to eat....???

[jmac]

I will say this, i sat through 25 cases the other day waiting for mine to be called, never heard one word about really high deductions....I was kicking myself in the ass since my plan didn't get confirmed because of car payment, should of left it out and raised everything else....If I knew now what i didn't know then i would of went to the court house i was to appear at, looked for a kick ass lawyer couple there stood out, as many have there head in there asses and have no clue. Real wake up call watching it in person versus say so on the internet.

[free2breathe]

So what is the difference between the "Collection Financial Standards" and the "Bankruptcy Allowable Living Expenses". Is it acceptable to have stayed within the former or should I have stuck more closely to the latter on my schedule J?